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https://www.vox.com/science-and-hea...erto-rico-official-hurricane-maria-death-toll

Everything that's been reported about deaths in Puerto Rico is at odds with the official count
We took a look at the numbers, and they didn’t add up.

Death tolls are the primary way we understand the impact of a disaster. And for nearly two weeks after Hurricane Maria hit Puerto Rico, as a humanitarian crisis was intensifying, the death toll was frozen at 16.

“Sixteen people certified,” Trump said on October 3 during his visit to the island, repeating a figure confirmed by the territory’s governor. "Everybody watching can really be very proud of what's taken place in Puerto Rico."

It was a moment that crystallized two conflicting narratives about the Puerto Rico disaster. The first one, from the federal government and Puerto Rico’s governor, is of a disaster that’s been managed well, with lives being saved and hospitals getting back up and running.

Lives surely have been saved in the response. But images and reports from the ground tell a story of people, cut off from basic supplies and health care, dying. They tell of hospitals running out of medication and fuel for their generators and struggling to keep up with the “avalanche of patients that came after the hurricane,” as one journalist put it.

The death toll from the hurricane is now up to 45, according to Gov. Ricardo Rosselló. But 90 percent of the 3.4 million American citizens on the island still don’t have power, and 35 percent still don’t have water to drink or bathe in. And given how deadly power outages can be, 45 deaths seems low, according to disaster experts.
 
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I heard that teamsters in PR were on strike, and would not go off strike to help relief in PR.
 
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FEMA does not have an unlimited supply of funds.
Funds are going to be depleted if it has to solve every disaster to satisfaction that has been happening.
 
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kmoney said:
https://www.vox.com/science-and-hea...erto-rico-official-hurricane-maria-death-toll

Everything that's been reported about deaths in Puerto Rico is at odds with the official count
We took a look at the numbers, and they didn’t add up.

Death tolls are the primary way we understand the impact of a disaster. And for nearly two weeks after Hurricane Maria hit Puerto Rico, as a humanitarian crisis was intensifying, the death toll was frozen at 16.

“Sixteen people certified,” Trump said on October 3 during his visit to the island, repeating a figure confirmed by the territory’s governor. "Everybody watching can really be very proud of what's taken place in Puerto Rico."

It was a moment that crystallized two conflicting narratives about the Puerto Rico disaster. The first one, from the federal government and Puerto Rico’s governor, is of a disaster that’s been managed well, with lives being saved and hospitals getting back up and running.

Lives surely have been saved in the response. But images and reports from the ground tell a story of people, cut off from basic supplies and health care, dying. They tell of hospitals running out of medication and fuel for their generators and struggling to keep up with the “avalanche of patients that came after the hurricane,” as one journalist put it.

The death toll from the hurricane is now up to 45, according to Gov. Ricardo Rosselló. But 90 percent of the 3.4 million American citizens on the island still don’t have power, and 35 percent still don’t have water to drink or bathe in. And given how deadly power outages can be, 45 deaths seems low, according to disaster experts.
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Was reading the comments on YouTube by others who have seen that Geraldo video.

I found the following post very similar to my own observation of Geraldo on that video - that he is being once more the sensationlist he has always been known for..

That poster's comment:

This reporting is absolutely disgusting. The mayor said NOTHING negative or even "feisty" about Trump until the terrible, biased reporter pushed her and even then he had to put words in her mouth and he misinterpreted the words that she said. At the end of this report he said the situation is bad enough, he was sorry politics had to be introduced into it. HE, the lousy, biased reporter introduced politics into it. He pushed the issue and his commentary concluded that politics had been introduced, casting blame on someone else. He should be fired. Either he is pandering to a particular constituency or he is a complete idiot. I am actually shocked.
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In other words, Geraldo being the same fool he was way back when he made that big deal out of the Capone vault, only to have his "trumped" up sensationalism about that vault blow up in his face for all the world to see.
 
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Danoh said:
Was reading the comments on YouTube by others who have seen that Geraldo video.

I found the following post very similar to my own observation of Geraldo on that video - that he is being once more the sensationlist he has always been known for..

That poster's comment:



In other words, Geraldo being the same fool he was way back when he made that big deal out of the Capone vault, only to have his "trumped" up sensationalism about that vault blow up in his face for all the world to see.
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I appreciated that Rivera tried to take a balanced view and said that both Trump and the mayor were acting inappropriately but I agree that Rivera is the one that prompted her to start talking about Trump. She didn't bring it up. And even when he did she avoided being too critical of him. With the larger context it's expected that he would bring up Trump but I think the interview would have been fine without it.
 
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Very bad:

Trump has brought Osama bin Laden back to life!

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kmoney said:
I appreciated that Rivera tried to take a balanced view and said that both Trump and the mayor were acting inappropriately but I agree that Rivera is the one that prompted her to start talking about Trump. She didn't bring it up. And even when he did she avoided being too critical of him. With the larger context it's expected that he would bring up Trump but I think the interview would have been fine without it.
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We should be clear about a few things:

1. Much of the media were eager for Trump to fail at his response to Puerto Rico.

2. Trump wanted to meet the expectations of the media. He wanted to fail to respond. The worst thing he can be is ignored, and he certainly got plenty of attention for his reaction. It feeds his own narrative agenda. And no one who would vote for him is likely to be upset by his failure.

3. Nothing the mayor said was unfair or wrong. But she can barely get any attention to the need.
 
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rexlunae said:
We should be clear about a few things:

1. Much of the media were eager for Trump to fail at his response to Puerto Rico.

2. Trump wanted to meet the expectations of the media. He wanted to fail to respond. The worst thing he can be is ignored, and he certainly got plenty of attention for his reaction. It feeds his own narrative agenda. And no one who would vote for him is likely to be upset by his failure.

3. Nothing the mayor said was unfair or wrong. But she can barely get any attention to the need.
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I don't recall what exactly she said. But in any case I'd give her more leeway as she's dealing with a desperate situation.
 
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