I take the whole thing very literally since that's the simplest and most honest way to take it.
Yeah? And? That's my position, I just read it and believe it.
"Kill."
Torah and are you Torah observant?
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"Kill."
Shalom.
I am a Jew. I do not know why you are talking about the Catholic Church, the Catholic Catechism, or Catholicism. My Grandfather committed adultery as I understand it.
In Matthew through Revelation there are 1050 commands.
I do not know what you mean by a moral command. The way I see it all of God's commands are moral. They all have to do with right and wrong, obedience or disobedience.
Shalom.
Jacob
Going to let you have the last word on this, killer, because I see it now as a thread derail.
Just so long as we're clear, that if you don't literally kill, then you're literally not Torah observant. :nono:Going to let you have the last word on this, killer, because I see it now as a thread derail.
That's what I mean. Among them, are to go to mass.
Uh, no, depends on what you are killing: it is not about killing people but rather about cutting off "devils" and their doctrines, (within your own "house"). The Master expounds all these things in the Gospel accounts. Perhaps you ought to go relearn his teachings and stay away from Torah until you realize that is what he is expounding.
Perhaps instead, I listen to the Apostles, who deny ever teaching Gentiles to observe Torah (Ac15:24KJV), and say observing Torah cannot (Ro8:3KJV, Gal3:21KJV).
"O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?"
What does Torah teach about what to do with homosexual offenders?
Nope, that's true. God commands it. His Church teaches that the Maker commands it; it's a sin to not go to mass.
Listen to your rabbi, glean what you can yourself from studying Torah, but know that the Lord Jesus Christ's Church teaches authoritatively and infallibly on matters of morals, as well as on faith, and you can trust the Church's moral teachings, one of which is to go to Mass, is what the Lord Himself thinks.
Shalom.
No. To go to mass is a sin.
As a Jew I observe Passover, as Jesus (Yeshua) did.
Also, I will stay with Judaism and Jewish halakah.
Shalom.
Jacob
You heard not a word I said.
:rotfl:
That's right, you're a Pharisee, laying down the law . . .
What a pitiful joke someone has played on you.
Show me in Torah.
Like I said, you don't observe Torah in any way, shape, or form.You heard not a word I said.
:rotfl:
That's right, you're a Pharisee, laying down the law . . .
What a pitiful joke someone has played on you.
Not that I care 'cause I don't, but don't kid yourself.
Then why did you say it is a sin to go to Mass? What is your reasoning?
Shalom.
Jesus was observing Passover with His disciples. It was not the creation of something new.
Also, Jesus died once and does not need to die again, if that helps you.
Shalom.
Jacob
"'This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.' 26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord’s death till he come. 27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. 29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnationh to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body."
The Apostles seem to have thought that He created something new Jacob.
Shalom.
No.
The new covenant is in Yeshua. It is recorded promised in the book of Jeremiah the prophet. See Chapter 31 Verses 31-34.
Jeremiah 31:31-34
Jesus (Yeshua) was observing Passover with His disciples.
Have you read the account in Luke?
Shalom.
Jacob
What do you mean "no?"
Paul wrote to Corinthian Gentiles who believed in the Lord Jesus, he wrote to them about the Eucharist, about partaking of the bread and the wine of communion.
Was Paul teaching the Gentiles in Corinth to observe Passover? Was that what he meant in the chapter 11 passage I quoted?
In Luke, the Lord says the same thing as Paul records Him saying in 1st Corinthians, and as Matthew and Mark record in their accounts, with very little variation. In all cases the Lord talks as if He wants what He's modeling to be repeated in the future. So did He change the observance of Passover? Or did He begin something new?
Do you think that the Lord Jesus is our Passover?
The only reason you play judge at this point is to make yourself feel good about yourself and justify yourself because you have no clue what the Torah actually says or means. Let's be honest here: that is the only reason you are blowing up this thread, is it not? The unfortunate truth is that this is true because you really have no clue what the Messiah teaches either; for if you did, you would not judge someone else and especially not when it comes to Torah observance. It is personal and individual, what I do or do not do as far as my understanding of Torah is not your business unless I decide to share and explain something, especially when it comes to Torah observance; you have your own "house", and how you treat the "members" of your own "household" is between you and your Creator, (and He is their Avenger, for you are no more your own when you enter into the faith, just as Paul has forewarned you). Your ignorance has led you to engage yourself in buffoonery; and by playing judge concerning my observance, (especially when you do not know anything about me), you have now placed yourself under the law, and that is for the simple fact that you have brazenly ignored the commandments of the Master in the Gospel accounts where he tells you not to judge, lest you be judged, (not to mention what he says in Matthew 5:17,18,19).