toldailytopic: Will there be homosexuals in Heaven, why or why not?
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I agree.lain:
so how do you interpret it?
As you did.
I kinda think the ambiguity was intentional
now that is a reasonable post
alwight
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Eternity seems like a dreadfully long time to spend with no need for any sex, never mind homosexual sex, no problems to solve, causes to fight, mountains to climb, challenges to meet, new places to go, nappies to change....
Give me this Earthly mess, you can keep your sanitary eternal afterlife I'd go crazy in 5 minutes. :dizzy:
"Homosexuality is a sin. No unrepenant sinners will be in heaven."'-AmericanAirlines
Fine:
Having bad thoughts is a sin. No unrepenant sinners will be in heaven.
Have you "repented" of every bad thought you've ever had? You've had bad thoughts that you don't even know are bad thoughts.
Get "honest" on this issue. An honest man/woman on this issue admits that they have not.
"who persists in sin"-AMR
How much "persists?"
Well?
That is a perversion of the gospel of Christ.
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IMJerusha
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I don't think I'm in a position to judge the hearts of people. If I were to hazard a guess based on Scripture, I don't think there will be folks who were actively homosexual at the time of their death in heaven. I think there will be folks who saw what they were doing as wrong, in time to ask God's forgiveness and repent, in heaven but that is what I would think about any sin. The short answer is that I don't think there will be any openly defiant people in heaven.
What's a perversion of the gospel of Christ John, repenting yet continuing to struggle with sinful thoughts and sometimes sinful behavior?
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the lost...
- is deceitful and desperately sick (Jer. 17:9);
- is full of evil (Mark 7:21-23);
- loves darkness rather than light (John 3:19);
- is unrighteous, does not understand, does not seek for God (Rom. 3:10-12);
- is helpless and ungodly (Rom. 5:6);
- is dead in his trespasses and sins (Eph. 2:1);
- is by nature a child of wrath (Eph. 2:3);
- cannot understand spiritual things (1 Cor. 2:14); and
- is a slave of sin (Rom. 6:16-20).
Q.E.D.
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Okay, I'll bite. Why is that a perversion of the Gospel?
I was very impressed with AMR's post. I was asking a question of John W.
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He apparently is having trouble with:
1 John 5:18
We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.
The phrase teaches the idea of not practicing sin as a habitual lifestyle. Of course the phrase does not mean that believers do not sin because John just spoke of seeing a believer sinning (see 1 John 5:16).
The true believer may indeed fall through the infirmity of the flesh, but they groan under the burden of sin, loathe themselves, and cease not to fear God. A true believer is impervious to sin (1 John 3:9), that is, they will no longer be under its power.
In no way does Scripture teach antinomianism, which is what some who claim the believer never sins adopt at their peril.
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IMJerusha
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I see. Well Hebrews 6:4-6 is pretty clear that it is possible to fall away and Revelation 14:12 also suggests this as well as Matthew 7:21-23 and the parable of the sower. Antinomianism...wow, that's a big word!
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If by "fall away" you mean lose their salvation, then that would be an erroneous view in my opinion. I think Scripture teaches us that those who have been regenerated will persevere to the end.
Since God is the Author and Finisher of our faith, man cannot fall away from eternal salvation. Once a man has been born-again he cannot be unborn-again. Furthermore, the elect of God will definitely manifest evidences of their salvation by means of good works. The elect shall, by the grace of God and without exception, ultimately persevere in righteousness. The eternal security of the believer in the Lord Jesus Christ is demonstrated by the persevering faith and righteousness wrought by the grace of God in His little begotten ones.
See [FONT="]Isaiah 43:1-3, Jeremiah 32:40, John 3:36, John 10:28, Romans 8:35-39, Ephesians 1:13-14, Ephesians 2:10 God’s workmanship, Philippians 1:6, 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24, 2 Timothy 1:12b & 4:18, 1 Peter 1:4-5, I John 2:19, Jude 24-25.
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IMJerusha
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Rutro Rorge, I don't do the doctrine of the elect. Just because God foreknew our choice doesn't mean He made it for us. But I love ya anyway, Brother!
alwight
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I may not be perfect AMR but I rather just know that I am not quite the low-life scum your doctrine paints we disbelievers and most believers too most of the time. I really don’t know if any god or gods do exist but it would come as a huge surprise to me if any earthly religious doctrine, particularly yours has any particularly accurate insight.
No I don’t believe that we are all automatically evil sinners because of the supposed sins of another or that an innocent man ever needed to be killed to save us, whatever that actually means the idea is frankly absurd.
We humans are all naturally different in many ways and we should be glad if it too imo rather than be bigoted toward those whom we may not actually understand very well, who may get branded as lost to evil by the pious and righteous.
Clearly you have no greater knowledge of any supposed supernatural or afterlife than any other human, whatever you think your particular doctrine says, so I suggest you stop pretending you do and concentrate on this the only life you know you’ll have.
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Is sex a sin? Some say Adam and Eve didn't have sex before the fall. Why did God create something so dirty or has Church just made it so? The power of creating life was only giving to humans and God, not to angels? (and soul-less earthly species). Will there be no creation of life after this world has passed away? That is my understanding, but with the vastness of spaces it seems a shame. No more babies of any kind? How sad.