Since you know good and well that none of that is what i believe, its irrelevant to anything.
Anyone who seeks salvation can find it though if they seek it in Christ. Romans 10:9-10
toldailytopic: Why doesn't God simply do away with evil?
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Since you know good and well that none of that is what i believe, its irrelevant to anything.
Anyone who seeks salvation can find it though if they seek it in Christ. Romans 10:9-10
MrDeets
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Very well said, Poly. I feel the same way but am not nearly as eloquent as you!
An absolutely beautiful and true word picture. Thank you.:e4e:
csuguy
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Because removing evil, and the possibility thereof, would require that we be stripped of our freewill - no longer able to choose God or love him, but only doing as programmed to do. God doesn't desire mindless robots - but rather loving friends who choose him and his ways.
Can a loving righteous father force his children to do the right thing? Of course not. That would make God unloving. God's love trumps all other attributes. Yes, even the "im's"and the "omni's". Read 1 Cor 13. I'm often asked my non-believers "How can a loving god allow evil to exist?" How can He not?
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“If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?” Luke 11:13 (KJV)
We believe Evil to be sin. It is not, It is the antithesis of Good. Jesus said no one is Good except the Father. Ergo, God is Good and that man not of Him is evil and, by Adam’s transgression, sold unto sin and the power of it, in need of salvation.
Sin is conceived in temptation and born from vanity, the habitation of the seed of temptation waiting to germinate by sight or put to death by faith.
Vanity and God are at opposite sides of the spectrum. One exists in man by sight while the other by Faith. There can be no compromise. Adam transgressed God's command by agreeing with vanity thus permitting evil entry up to the door of holiness which God immediately expelled.__and all possibilities for Adam's incarnation went with it. Sin would forever couch at man’s door.
By permitting Adam to be subjected to vanity was the means by which God brought on the test of allegiance He needed to witness from Adam before advancing him further in His purposes__set in Himself; the propagation of Holiness in human flesh; perfection equal to the Godhead which Jesus would later demonstrate and make provision for fallen man to follow suit.
We believe Evil to be sin. It is not, It is the antithesis of Good. Jesus said no one is Good except the Father. Ergo, God is Good and that man not of Him is evil and, by Adam’s transgression, sold unto sin and the power of it, in need of salvation.
Sin is conceived in temptation and born from vanity, the habitation of the seed of temptation waiting to germinate by sight or put to death by faith.
Vanity and God are at opposite sides of the spectrum. One exists in man by sight while the other by Faith. There can be no compromise. Adam transgressed God's command by agreeing with vanity thus permitting evil entry up to the door of holiness which God immediately expelled.__and all possibilities for Adam's incarnation went with it. Sin would forever couch at man’s door.
By permitting Adam to be subjected to vanity was the means by which God brought on the test of allegiance He needed to witness from Adam before advancing him further in His purposes__set in Himself; the propagation of Holiness in human flesh; perfection equal to the Godhead which Jesus would later demonstrate and make provision for fallen man to follow suit.
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How? what about the evil in us? what about people now in sin or yet to be born who will be saved?
God has chosen the weak and foolish, people with no power to be saved....He USES the pride and ambition and greed of the wicked to work on behalf of His weakling flock, they think they are serving themselves but they are actually serving the poor.
Nebuchadnezzer thought he had built a massive commonwealth but the tree he had planted whose branches filled the earth so that the birds and beasts found shelter in his branches, all this was God's doing.
There is the parable of the wheat and tares, if God was to come in anger and pluck up the evil in a rage of indignation, would He not also uproot the wheat? how we all would cringe in terror of Him, where the gentle love relationship God so desires?
No He will wait until the harvest.
skeptic griggsy
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Why, God could easily have done what Fr. Meslier's the problem of Heaven suggests: make us with determined volition and a guarantee not to do wrong to be more Imago Dei! This reflects no hobgoblin in little minds but instead the demand for consitency! No need exists for free will for soul-making,despite John Hick.
In His image, we'd no more be robots than He is the Supreme Robot!
This alone eviscrates all defenses and theodicies!
By the way, the first couple and the Garden are only a myth!No first Adam, no second Adam!
In His image, we'd no more be robots than He is the Supreme Robot!
This alone eviscrates all defenses and theodicies!
By the way, the first couple and the Garden are only a myth!No first Adam, no second Adam!
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. . . . .but then there is you. Where do we place you?
:think: Sooo....lemme get this straight.
It is your position that, basically, evil continues to thrive and function in the Creation because the ALMIGHTY is A.D.D.
lain:That about sum things up?
He's got a plan. And it's a good one.
"Somewhere there's a reason
Why things go like they do
Somewhere there's a reason
Why somethings just fall through
We don't always see them
For what they really are
But I know there's a reason,
Just can't see it from this far."
"Somewhere there's a reason
Why things go like they do
Somewhere there's a reason
Why somethings just fall through
We don't always see them
For what they really are
But I know there's a reason,
Just can't see it from this far."
| Megadeth - I Thought I Knew It All | |
Silent Hunter
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How would you know . . . and what is this "plan" anyway?
Silent Hunter
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A simple, "I don't know what the 'plan' is either", would have been sufficient . . . :chuckle:If we told you we'd have to kill you.
His plan is redemption of the fallen
Silent Hunter
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I see that you're new here . . . (welcome, btw) . . .
How do you know this?
and . . .
Can you be a little more specific?
From a spiritual standpoint
Isa 61:1 ¶ The Spirit of the Lord GOD [is] upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to [them that are] bound;
Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord [is] upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Tts 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Tts 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people,
From a non spiritual argument, ( sort a) There is only one purpose for this type of existence of this cosmos., a prison in space and time, a place to hold captives
Isa 61:1 ¶ The Spirit of the Lord GOD [is] upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to [them that are] bound;
Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord [is] upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Tts 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Tts 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people,
From a non spiritual argument, ( sort a) There is only one purpose for this type of existence of this cosmos., a prison in space and time, a place to hold captives
When I asked this, I should of started, I agree. Would you elaborate on how you came to this conclusion? just to compare thought processes