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toldailytopic: What's happening at Toyota? Too much corner cutting? Or are they being railroaded?






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The weird thing about all of this is that my brother in law works in the auto service industry and he has stated for years that Toyota beats all the other manufacturers in quality.

So what's really going on here?
 
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They've suffered what many (if indeed not all) companies that reach the top of the heap suffer from: complacency. They're run by and operate under the hands of human beings, who are prone to error. They are an efficient and very well-organized group of human beings, but they are still only human. No biggie. Now if you get a Rolex that doesn't work, that would be news. :chuckle:
 
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They are being railroaded. The fix for the sticking gas pedal is a stiffer spring. Stiffer? "it sticks so we'll just push it a little harder" Yeah, right.

There are reports of sticking acceleration every year, but most are not found to have an engineering defect. There was a real one a few years ago with a luxury brand (Audi? BMW? Jaguar? I don't remember) that was caused by a software malfunction. If the problem was real, the engineering solution would be a real change like a re-programming or finding the part that causes the current spring not to be stiff enough, not this "stiffer spring" nonsense.
 
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My favorite recall was the one that VW had for Rabbits, which would start and drive themselves away. They had a leak develop in many of their Rabbit models which would allow the water that got into the fusebox to start the car, and if it was a stickshift vehicle, it would just drive away. People said they were simply trying to mate. :chuckle:
 
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Yorzhik said:
They are being railroaded. The fix for the sticking gas pedal is a stiffer spring. Stiffer? "it sticks so we'll just push it a little harder" Yeah, right.

There are reports of sticking acceleration every year, but most are not found to have an engineering defect. There was a real one a few years ago with a luxury brand (Audi? BMW? Jaguar? I don't remember) that was caused by a software malfunction. If the problem was real, the engineering solution would be a real change like a re-programming or finding the part that causes the current spring not to be stiff enough, not this "stiffer spring" nonsense.
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Do you think this "railroading" has anything to do with Obama-motors? :think:
 
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yeshuaslavejeff said:
like martin luther said a few days ago,
the motive for ALL of the corporations,
every one of them,
is gr -
eed.
and ALL of them,
every one of them (no exceptions)
go along with society (the antichrist society, the work of the enemy, the world we live in)
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:yawn: You are able to live the life you have because of the products and services provided by "greedy" corporations? Just about everything you own comes from a "greedy" corporation. :think:
 
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I'm not following. Can you explain what exactly you think might be happening here?
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Gov't people that are now closely tied with GM realize that GM's success makes them look good and gives them both power and money. They drum up accusations against the competition because they can.
 
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January 28, 2010
About That Toyota Recall
Posted by Lew Rockwell on January 28, 2010 01:33 PM

Union goons are famously willing to break the kneecaps of “scabs,” or even kill them, and damage property in strikes. Would they hesitate to sabotage the hated non-union Toyota? Then there is the state, now tied even closer to GM (and Chrysler). What’s good for GM is good for Amerika. Are regulators biased towards breakdown-prone federal yugomobiles? Would they seek, in cahoots with unions, to harm a producer of reliable cars?​

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Yorzhik said:
They are being railroaded. The fix for the sticking gas pedal is a stiffer spring.
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I'm really sure where you're getting the idea it's just a matter of replacing a spring. According to Toyota's official statement on the recall:

The issue involves a friction device in the pedal designed to provide the proper “feel” by adding resistance and making the pedal steady and stable. This friction device includes a “shoe” that rubs against an adjoining surface during normal pedal operation. Due to the materials used, wear and environmental conditions, these surfaces may, over time, begin to stick and release instead of operating smoothly. In some cases, friction could increase to a point that the pedal is slow to return to the idle position or, in rare cases, the pedal sticks, leaving the throttle partially open​

The problems, as well as the recalls, have also not been limited to the United States, but have also included Europe and China as well.

Now as for the fact we seem to feel the need to hold goverment hearings about a company that, once realizing there was a problem with one of their automobiles, rapidly issued a voluntary recall to correct it...well, that does strike me as having more legitimate potential to be an issue of political bias.
 
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Yorzhik said:
They are being railroaded. The fix for the sticking gas pedal is a stiffer spring. Stiffer? "it sticks so we'll just push it a little harder" Yeah, right.
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Yes. The spring closes the throtttle. Your foot has to overcome it. Toyota had some engine failures with a Yamaha designed 4 cylinder for the Celica in 1999. The solution was stiffer springs in the shifter. People would put the car in second instead of 4th going 80. The oil pump would come apart, and the engine will seize without the oil. Nothing actually wrong with the engine or pump, operator error.
 
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I'm really sure where you're getting the idea it's just a matter of replacing a spring. According to Toyota's official statement on the recall:

The issue involves a friction device in the pedal designed to provide the proper “feel” by adding resistance and making the pedal steady and stable. This friction device includes a “shoe” that rubs against an adjoining surface during normal pedal operation. Due to the materials used, wear and environmental conditions, these surfaces may, over time, begin to stick and release instead of operating smoothly. In some cases, friction could increase to a point that the pedal is slow to return to the idle position or, in rare cases, the pedal sticks, leaving the throttle partially open​

The problems, as well as the recalls, have also not been limited to the United States, but have also included Europe and China as well.

Now as for the fact we seem to feel the need to hold goverment hearings about a company that, once realizing there was a problem with one of their automobiles, rapidly issued a voluntary recall to correct it...well, that does strike me as having more legitimate potential to be an issue of political bias.
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Thanks for the info. If there was a real problem, the friction device would have been re-designed/replaced. Who says the new spring will overcome all stickiness when the conditions are right? They couldn't know according to the press release. However, these devices are used in almost every car, and it's been time-tested enough that it is known what works. So what Toyota did was respond the best way possible, marketing and design wise in the most economically feasible way, to a trumped-up situation.

But you are quite right that perhaps the real smoking gun is that they (the government) kept riding Toyota's behind even when Toyota responded to the recall in the best way possible.
 
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