toldailytopic: The HUGE rush to buy guns and ammo, what's motivating it?

[TomO]

The popular story is the Dept of Homeland Security's big ammo order. But that order was supposedly for 9mm and 10mm. That doesnt explain .45, .44, .38, .22, etc etc.

Actually that's .40 S&W not 10mm and one particular order is not the whole story. To say that "DHS is ordering" is just saying that the combined orders of the various offices/agencies which make up DHS. These orders (while I'm sure the majority is 9mm, .40 S&W, 12Ga 00Buck, #4 Buck, 1oz. slugs, .308Win, & .223Rem. which are the predominate LE loads being used) can include some pretty weird stuff.

For Example the below solicitation for bid:

https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=9133ab59b308302a950e308252c6ae47&tab=core&_cview=1

Now....This is just one small solicitation but put them all together, the different solicitations from different training and operation centers and it adds up pretty fast. There is also the fact that while they are not buying all these different loads in the same quantites as the most often used round the manufacture of these rounds takes up production space/resources which might otherwise be used for other types of ammo were the situation a bit more akin to "normal"

I think its like people going to the store and buying all the milk because a snow storm is coming. Its stupid. Just panic because of the political climate.

This for sure is a large part of it as well. lain:

 

[exminister]

toldailytopic: The HUGE rush to buy guns and ammo, what's motivating it

Americans, probably all humans, are hoarders. Tell them they may not be able to have something and the rush is on.

Everytime there is even a hint of snow around here all the grocery stores sell out of bread and milk.

Humans fret and panic easily. It's like there is no God to care and protect them. They have to do it themselves.

 

[OriginalOatmeal]

Bad people do find guns. Why strip the good people of their guns when bad people do get guns? Because guns saves more lives than it ends. Guns are better at saving than doctors and hospitals are. The United States are taking guns from the good people. The USA is becoming more socialistic and communistic each day. The USA is becoming more like Vietnam and China. Guns is part of freedoms and rights. I believe in freedom, liberty, happiness, and the pursuit and right to bear arms.

 

[Eeset]

Follow the money trail. Does anybody remember the great toilet paper scare?

 

[Nick M]

The popular story is the Dept of Homeland Security's big ammo order. But that order was supposedly for 9mm and 10mm. That doesnt explain .45, .44, .38, .22, etc etc.

I have read the story about them buying large amounts of ammo. But I wonder if much of it isn't normal. I don't know how many LEs are actually in the department that carry and have to qualify.

Take the Army as an example. During peace time, they might shrink down to only 400,000 active duty personnel. Every one of them has to qualify twice a year. That is a minimum of 49 rounds every 6 months for each soldier. That is just qualifying. And then there is the infantry which is always training, and shoots much more often than just quals. Do the math on just qualifying. If you didn't, that is almost 20 million bullets on just the M16/M4, and no extra training. And it doesn't include the reserve and guard which also have to qualify.

 

[This Charming Manc]

Bad people do find guns.

Generally not what happens in the rest of the world

Why strip the good people of their guns when bad people do get guns?

They don't, the concept is remove the supply and no one get guns. it work most other places.

Because guns saves more lives than it ends.

any facts of stats on this, the stats I see is your murder rate is approx 4 times that of western Europe, mainly down to gun crime

Guns are better at saving than doctors and hospitals are.

I now know your an idiot.

The United States are taking guns from the good people.

The united states is unable to put anything like effective gun control in place, so guns are safe but your children aren't.

The USA is becoming more socialistic and communistic each day. The USA is becoming more like Vietnam and China.

I guess you know nothing from beyond your borders

Guns is part of freedoms and rights.

The rest of the western world is juts as free without you guns and your murder rate.

I believe in freedom, liberty, happiness, and the pursuit and right to bear arms.

Bully for you, just stop lying to yourself that gun fixation makes you or your family safer. It doesn't it does the opposite, but if you like guns I suppose that is your call.

 

[Charity]

People understand that there are powers withing the government who would disarm the public if they could.

they proberly are, by cutting down on the amont of ammo for Sale..SLOWLY?

 

[Charity]

Stupidity, basically.

William Shakespeare invented the words hurried hurry.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

They couldn't disarm us if they tried. Barn door's been open for a while. And they don't need to.

Excellent point satanist. Just because every totalitarian regime has disarmed it's populace, doesn't mean it could happen here (we gotz the constitution to protect us).

The rush is driven by misplaced fear, paranoia, and a kind of weird gun subculture that fetishizes, obsesses, and glorifies gun ownership at the expense of virtually every other topic.

(i.e. religion and gun clingers).

 

[This Charming Manc]

Excellent point satanist. Just because every totalitarian regime has disarmed it's populace,

They did and haven't, however don't let truth, get in the way of good prejudice or hollow argument.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Germany

doesn't mean it could happen here (we gotz the constitution to protect us).

(i.e. religion and gun clingers).

 

[TomO]

I have read the story about them buying large amounts of ammo. But I wonder if much of it isn't normal. I don't know how many LEs are actually in the department that carry and have to qualify.

Take the Army as an example. During peace time, they might shrink down to only 400,000 active duty personnel. Every one of them has to qualify twice a year. That is a minimum of 49 rounds every 6 months for each soldier. That is just qualifying. And then there is the infantry which is always training, and shoots much more often than just quals. Do the math on just qualifying. If you didn't, that is almost 20 million bullets on just the M16/M4, and no extra training. And it doesn't include the reserve and guard which also have to qualify.

:nono: Nah....It's true that the combined agencies of the DHS use bunches of ammo but it's pretty clear that they are hoarding. Current estimates have them not only buying in excess but (at present numbers) carrying a 2 year stockpile at excess. Hearings were just held recently in fact (They received almost no coverage I'm sure due to the prevalence of tin-foil-hats surrounding it.)

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...gency-using-1000-more-rounds-per-person-than/

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...nition-management-for-more-obtainability-act/

In fact legislation is pending. I wouldn't be surprised if this wound up in some gun legislation "compromise" in the near future.

The tipping point with me regarding DHS buying "too much" was when the reports of police agencies running low began popping up. You see, in the factory ammo world there is a hierarchy of purchasing power. DOD gets first dibs along with DHS/Civilian Federal Agencies, next comes state and local police agencies, after that retail orders and finally wholesaler and private orders.
Cops don't just run down to Wal-Mart when they run low on ammo they buy direct from the manufacturer. If they are having a hard time getting orders filled like everyone else that means that someone upstream of them is getting it first.

Guess who. lain:

:think: The lack of warehoused manufacturers stockpiles of course could have something to do with that but manufacturers are running at full bore right now according to every account so I'm having a hard time believing that the kind of delays that the police are seeing is due to this. You have to remember this is not the first time this has happened. We had ammo shortages right before Obama took office due to the hoarding then. Even then though the cops never had problems getting their orders filled before. :idunno:

 

[MarkA]

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toldailytopic: The HUGE rush to buy guns and ammo, what's motivating it?

because we don't want to be caught with our pants down when the economy and government at large makes it's final collapse.

when all the stores are looted, the utilities and fresh water depleted those with enough ammo will be in a better position to acquire resources from the wild.

also, it's easier to protect those resources you have gained honestly when you are equally as armed as criminals.

 

[OriginalOatmeal]

I do not exactly like guns but it is part of our freedom and rights as humans in this world. You cannot keep guns away from the terrorists who exist in all the countries. Guns do save more lives than it ends. It saves more lives than doctors and hospitals combined. So many people die from cancer. Doctors are killing people through Chemo-Radiation. The USA are taking guns from people. That is happening. The Boston Bombing was staged as was 9/11. The USA is falling apart. I do not live in the USA.

 

[Ktoyou]

racists

gotta be racists


after all, there's an african in the white house

That is a stupid thing to say.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Excellent point satanist. Just because every totalitarian regime has disarmed it's populace,

They did and haven't, however don't let truth, get in the way of good prejudice or hollow argument.

You really should read some of the propaganda that you put out TCM:

Under both the 1928 and 1938 acts, gun manufacturers and dealers were required to maintain records with information about who purchased guns and the guns' serial numbers. These records were to be delivered to a police authority for inspection at the end of each year.

On November 11, 1938, the Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick, promulgated Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons. This regulation effectively deprived all Jews living in those locations of the right to possess firearms or other weapons.[6][7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Germany


From a more reliable source:

"Until 1943-44, the German government published its laws and regulations in the 'Reichsgesetzblatt,' roughly the equivalent of the U.S. Federal Register. Carefully shelved by law librarians, the 1938 issues of this German government publication had gathered a lot of dust. In the 'Reichsgesetzblatt' issue for the week of March 21, 1938, was the official text of the Weapons Law (March 18, 1938). It gave Hitler's Nazi party a stranglehold on the Germans, many of whom did not support the Nazis. We found that the Nazis did not invent "gun control" in Germany. The Nazis inherited gun control and then perfected it: they invented handgun control.

The Nazi Weapons Law of 1938 replaced a Law on Firearms and Ammunition of April 13, 1928. The 1928 law was enacted by a center-right, freely elected German government that wanted to curb "gang activity," violent street fights between Nazi party and Communist party thugs. All firearm owners and their firearms had to be registered. Sound familiar? "Gun control" did not save democracy in Germany. It helped to make sure that the toughest criminals, the Nazis, prevailed.

The Nazis inherited lists of firearm owners and their firearms when they 'lawfully' took over in March 1933. The Nazis used these inherited registration lists to seize privately held firearms from persons who were not "reliable." Knowing exactly who owned which firearms, the Nazis had only to revoke the annual ownership permits or decline to renew them.

In 1938, five years after taking power, the Nazis enhanced the 1928 law. The Nazi Weapons Law introduced handgun control. Firearms ownership was restricted to Nazi party members and other "reliable" people.

The 1938 Nazi law barred Jews from businesses involving firearms. On November 10. 1938 -- one day after the Nazi party terror squads (the SS) savaged thousands of Jews, synagogues and Jewish businesses throughout Germany -- new regulations under the Weapons Law specifically barred Jews from owning any weapons, even clubs or knives..."
http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/GCA_68.htm

Don't get me wrong TCM, your great savior B. Hussein Obama won't disarm the entire American population...

Rosie O'Donnell's bodyguard will still be able to carry.
http://www.wnd.com/2000/05/1999/

 

[Ktoyou]

Truth be known, one good handgun is all you need for self-defense, some practice, yes and a round or two, is needed, which will be very sad, to kill is very sad, but to be hurt, raped and murdered because you have not one, seems the worse to me. Handguns I like: 45 ACP, 357, 40 S&W and the Bren 10, if they kept in at high production. The 44 (41) magnum, if you have one revolver, self-defense and hunting?

Hunting, around here, a 308 and necked down versions will take most game and a 30-30 is nice. Even out west, most than a 300 Magnum is usually unnecessary.

For foul a good 12 gauge shotgun is fine, I like Remington Wingmaster 870, or if you like auto, model 1100, or the new one, better are the browning shotguns.

So, let's see, one shotgun, two rifles, good handgun and a 22 for small game and plinking around.

One can very well practice with a 22, shoot enough practice rounds in you rifle and shotgun and be proficient with a handgun and it will not cost you much, even today!

You will get by fine with a total of five guns.


There are those, I have one neughbour who shoots 7.62x39 over 100 rounds several days a week, but that is his liking, I believe, not him preparing for a war.

We make too big a deal about this!

Just remember I seen trained police not get over killing a person, as this variation varies greatly, killing someone; you never know for sure how it might affect you. Yes, taking big game gives some measure, but it is hard to know how much correlation there is between shooting an animal and killing a human.

 

[Mulla Sadra]

Because of soon Aliens attack.
Lasers are needed for this one.

 

[This Charming Manc]

I can read, and a read beyond pulling one or two quotes out of content and distorting the meaning of the whole text which seems to be your capability.

Broadly speaking

• The 1928 gun act was pre Nazi, and cant be associated with Nazi party like seem to imply.

[*]The Nazi 1938 act passed by the Nazi's broadley liberalised gun control, not an imposition of gun control which you usually claim.

However when presented with clear information to the contrary to your claims, you still seek to twist, distort and lie!

Your are a despicable liar.

You really should read some of the propaganda that you put out TCM:

 

[MrDeets]

I now know your an idiot.

:thumb:

I hope the irony slaps you in the face! LOL

 

[PureX]

Truth be known, one good handgun is all you need for self-defense, some practice, yes and a round or two, is needed, which will be very sad, to kill is very sad, but to be hurt, raped and murdered because you have not one, seems the worse to me. Handguns I like: 45 ACP, 357, 40 S&W and the Bren 10, if they kept in at high production. The 44 (41) magnum, if you have one revolver, self-defense and hunting?

Hunting, around here, a 308 and necked down versions will take most game and a 30-30 is nice. Even out west, most than a 300 Magnum is usually unnecessary.

For foul a good 12 gauge shotgun is fine, I like Remington Wingmaster 870, or if you like auto, model 1100, or the new one, better are the browning shotguns.

So, let's see, one shotgun, two rifles, good handgun and a 22 for small game and plinking around.

One can very well practice with a 22, shoot enough practice rounds in you rifle and shotgun and be proficient with a handgun and it will not cost you much, even today!

You will get by fine with a total of five guns.


There are those, I have one neughbour who shoots 7.62x39 over 100 rounds several days a week, but that is his liking, I believe, not him preparing for a war.

We make too big a deal about this!

Just remember I seen trained police not get over killing a person, as this variation varies greatly, killing someone; you never know for sure how it might affect you. Yes, taking big game gives some measure, but it is hard to know how much correlation there is between shooting an animal and killing a human.

I think this is a very reasonable and practical approach. If everyone felt this way, there'd be no need for gun regulation at all.