toldailytopic: Same-sex marriage: for it, or against it?

[chrysostom]

Jewish views on marriage

In Judaism, marriage is viewed as a contractual bond commanded by God in which a man and a woman come together to create a relationship in which God is directly involved.[Deut. 24:1] Though procreation is not the sole purpose, a Jewish marriage is also expected to fulfill the commandment to have children.[Gen. 1:28] The main focus centers around the relationship between the husband and wife. On the spiritual level, marriage is understood to mean that the husband and wife are merging together into a single soul. This is why a man is considered "incomplete" if he is not married, as his soul is only one part of a larger whole that remains to be unified.[1][2]

 

[Town Heretic]

it might help us establish its purpose
if
we could take a look at the origins of marriage

The purpose, as you're using it, isn't the question. What constitutes a marriage and who can avail themselves is. The what is established in its elements and execution. The who is a matter of that aforementioned equality before the law absent that overriding interest you've yet to establish.

:e4e:

 

[Rusha]

Earth to Chrys: I am not Jewish, Hindu or Christian. Therefore, I couldn't care less what they believe ...

 

[Silent Hunter]

Hindu view of marriage

According to the tenets of Hinduism, marriage is a sacred relationship, a sacrament, and a divine covenant meant for procreation and continuation of family lineage.[2] In the traditional Hindu system of marriage, there is no role for the state as marriage remained a private affair within the social realm.[3] Within this traditional framework reference, marriage is undoubtedly the most important transitional point in a Hindu’s life and the most important of all the Hindu samskaras, or life-cycle rituals.[3]

Jewish views on marriage

In Judaism, marriage is viewed as a contractual bond commanded by God in which a man and a woman come together to create a relationship in which God is directly involved.[Deut. 24:1] Though procreation is not the sole purpose, a Jewish marriage is also expected to fulfill the commandment to have children.[Gen. 1:28] The main focus centers around the relationship between the husband and wife. On the spiritual level, marriage is understood to mean that the husband and wife are merging together into a single soul. This is why a man is considered "incomplete" if he is not married, as his soul is only one part of a larger whole that remains to be unified.[1][2]

. . . all you've done here is affirm WHY people get married . . .

. . . and . . .

. . . people get married for a variety of reasons including:

. . . love.

. . . sex.

. . . money.

. . . companionship.

. . . security.

. . . fulfilling a religious obligation.

. . . and even to raise a family . . . if they can.

. . . what you have failed to do is establish an overriding reason homosexuals should NOT be afforded the same rights as heterosexuals . . . ala . . . equality before the law.

 

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## For, definitely.

Since rights can often conflict, I believe it should be fully legal, & also that no religion or other group with a conscientious objection to it should be required to perform it. For instance, Catholicism is dead against it - so no priest or bishop should be required to perform it. That would be an unjust intrusion on the liberties of the CC. And so likewise for all other groups with gay members.

Preachers should be left free to preach against it - but not be permitted to hinder those gay people who avail themselves of the legal rights assured them by the authority of the State.

IOW, Christian pastors & others in authority in the Churches should respect the freedoms assured to gay people by the law, and not trespass against those those freedoms, except in so far as the exercise of those freedoms conflict with the laws by which the Churches govern their own life. So a Catholic bishop can forbid Catholics to be married in one of the churches for which he has responsibility - but he cannot enforce his rejection of gay marriage so as to prevent them having a secular ceremony; for that is the business of the state.

 

[kmoney]

I think we're making progress with chrys. He seems close to changing sides. Maybe just another 123 pages. :think:

 

[chrysostom]

I think we're making progress with chrys. He seems close to changing sides. Maybe just another 123 pages. :think:

I will make sure everyone knows that you bumped this thread
and
that I think the purpose of marriage is to protect the child

 

[kmoney]

I will make sure everyone knows that you bumped this thread
and
that I think the purpose of marriage is to protect the child

Someone had already brought it back up by posting in it last night.

 

[chrysostom]

Someone had already brought it back up by posting in it last night.

I didn't see that
so
do you think marriage protects the child?

 

[Arthur Brain]

I think we're making progress with chrys. He seems close to changing sides. Maybe just another 123 pages. :think:

Oh way to go for bumping this poxy thread Count! :madmad:

And now I've just gone and done it as well...

:doh:

 

[chrysostom]

Oh way to go for bumping this poxy thread Count! :madmad:

And now I've just gone and done it as well...

:doh:

so what do you think the purpose of marriage is?

 

[kmoney]

I didn't see that
so
do you think marriage protects the child?

Sure, in some ways.

Oh way to go for bumping this poxy thread Count! :madmad:

And now I've just gone and done it as well...

:doh:

:devil:

 

[chrysostom]

Sure, in some ways.


:devil:

so how does marriage protect the child?

 

[Silent Hunter]

For, definitely.

Since rights can often conflict, I believe it should be fully legal, & also that no religion or other group with a conscientious objection to it should be required to perform it. For instance, Catholicism is dead against it - so no priest or bishop should be required to perform it. That would be an unjust intrusion on the liberties of the CC. And so likewise for all other groups with gay members.

Preachers should be left free to preach against it - but not be permitted to hinder those gay people who avail themselves of the legal rights assured them by the authority of the State.

IOW, Christian pastors & others in authority in the Churches should respect the freedoms assured to gay people by the law, and not trespass against those those freedoms, except in so far as the exercise of those freedoms conflict with the laws by which the Churches govern their own life. So a Catholic bishop can forbid Catholics to be married in one of the churches for which he has responsibility - but he cannot enforce his rejection of gay marriage so as to prevent them having a secular ceremony; for that is the business of the state.

Everyone should neg rep you for bringing this back to the front page. You obviously haven't met chrysostom.

 

[Silent Hunter]

I think we're making progress with chrys. He seems close to changing sides. Maybe just another 123 pages.

:nono:

 

[Silent Hunter]

that I think the purpose of marriage is to protect the child

And a position for which you have been repeatedly shown to be incorrect.

 

[Silent Hunter]

Someone had already brought it back up by posting in it last night.

It was a noob moron who failed to read the last 122 pages.

 

[Silent Hunter]

do you think marriage protects the child?

It can but doesn't always.

 

[Silent Hunter]

Oh way to go for bumping this poxy thread Count!

And now I've just gone and done it as well...

And we've got to start all over again with chrys too.

:bang:

 

[Silent Hunter]

so what do you think the purpose of marriage is?

love.

sex.

money.

companionship.

security.

fulfilling a religious obligation.

and even to raise a family . . . if they can.

among a host of other reasons.