toldailytopic: Ohio High School Shooting: what can we learn from this tragedy?

[eameece]

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BEAUMONT, TX — A Texas man has been charged with capital murder after intentionally driving his fleeing sport utility vehicle into the patrol car of an officer, who was struck and killed



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As a matter of fact, we DO need fewer cars, and more mass transit. Or at least fewer gasoline-powered cars. But that's another story!

More guns makes it easier to kill people. Cars are not a very easy method. One example does not make a case. It is easier to kill someone with a handgun, than to run someone over, or push someone out a window. Otherwise, people like you would be touting the virtues of cars and windows as a defense against criminals attacking you. You don't, do ya?

 

[The Barbarian]

What has changed is the things that we consider assault, especially those of a sexual nature.

I don't see that. If anything, there's a lot less tolerance for what used to be called "guys being guys." And touching without permission is a lot riskier than it used to be.

The grabbing, groping, exploiting, of young girls that goes on in school these days would have been considered sexual assault 30 years ago. Today, it's called.... Prom.

Hard to deal with consensual. But sexual harassment is a bigger risk to take now than in the past. Generally, a kid who grabs the wrong spot on a girl these days is more likely to earn a police record than a visit to the woodshed.

 

[Angel4Truth]

You don't think that a man being married to a woman is evidence of that man being straight? :hammer:

Cause, it is.

Well not really, there are a lot of closet gay men who marry women to hide their homosexuality believe it or not.

 

[Angel4Truth]

There is no such thing. The problem is too many guns.

Drug programs do stop drug use.

If people can get guns at Walmart, gun shows, dealers, etc., then they are too easy to get. Too many guns means too many are stolen and fall into the wrong hands. Gun control is a big part of the answer to violent crime in America. We are too obsessed with guns, and we have too many of them. Especially hanguns.

No, Gloria was right, not Archie. But Archie is a good caricature for Nick, and a lot of people here.

Drug programs stop only drug use when the person wants to stop. They do not stop those who dont want to stop any more than making guns illegal will keep criminals from using them.

Drug programs are really helping border communities against mexican drug cartels ... who have illegal drugs and illegal guns....

Gun control only controls law abiding citizens.

 

[WizardofOz]

Well not really, there are a lot of closet gay men who marry women to hide their homosexuality believe it or not.

This is true. However, being married to a member of the oppsoite sex is certainly evidence of being straight. It may not mean that they are, but is indisputable that it is indeed evidence.

If it wasn't evidence of being straight, why would gay men marry women to hide their homosexuality? :think:

You kind of debunked yourself there.

 

[Angel4Truth]

This is true. However, being married to a member of the oppsoite sex is certainly evidence of being straight. It may not mean that they are, but is indisputable that it is indeed evidence.

If it wasn't evidence of being straight, why would gay men marry women to hide their homosexuality? :think:

You kind of debunked yourself there.

:crackup:

 

[jeffblue101]

here is some new information that well help clear up some confusion.
http://www.wtsp.com/news/national/article/241494/81/Prosecutor-Ohio-shooting-not-about-bullying

Afterward, though, the prosecutor appeared to rule out rumors and speculation that the gunman lashed out after being bullied or that the shooting had something to do with drug-dealing.

"He chose his victims at random. This is not about bullying. This is not about drugs," Joyce said. "This is someone who's not well, and I'm sure in our court case we'll prove that to all of your desires and we'll make sure justice is done here in this county."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57386938/school-shooter-told-police-victims-were-random

The teenage suspect in an Ohio school shooting that killed three students and wounded two told investigators he didn't know his victims and chose them randomly, a prosecutor said Tuesday.

"Even though he was quiet, he still had friends," said Tyler Lillash, 16. "He was not bullied."

what I find interesting in his Facebook page, he has "Death Note" posted as favorite book. Which is about a high school student who gains the power to kill off anyone in anyway he wants by writing their deaths in an angel's death journal. Don't get me wrong I watched this entire series and I never had the urged to kill people at random. I just thought, that this was a weird coincidence.

He also listed David Icke as a "person who inspires TJ". Apparently Icke is a big time conspiracy theorist. here is a select portion from his wiki bio:
"Icke wrote in 2010 that the Earth and what he calls the collective human mind are manipulated from the Moon, which is actually a spacecraft controlled by the reptilians. The "Moon Matrix" is a broadcast from that spacecraft that gives us our sense of reality"

 

[kmoney]

Fewer guns would have made a difference. Had his uncle not had a gun, or had it locked away from others as control requires, the boy would not have been able to steal it. Most crimes are committed with stolen weapons. The problem originates with those who buy guns in the first place. The most likely use of such a gun, is in a accidental shooting of a family member, or being stolen. Gun control is at least a start. Fewer guns is the goal.

School shootings per se are not the issue I raised. The issue is mass shootings by deranged people, including the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords. That has been on the increase since 1966.

Is there any evidence that the uncle didn't have his gun locked away?

 

[eameece]

Drug programs stop only drug use when the person wants to stop. They do not stop those who dont want to stop any more than making guns illegal will keep criminals from using them.

Drug addicts don't want to do drugs; they are hooked. Addiction is involuntary by nature. Drug programs work and reduce demand. So does reduction in poverty.

Making guns illegal keeps guns out of many peoples hands, because then there are fewer guns. As I said, we can only make guns illegal by a consensus of the nation; until then, what we need is more control, and a reduction in the aspect of American culture that glorifies guns and violence.

Drug programs are really helping border communities against mexican drug cartels ... who have illegal drugs and illegal guns....

The high demand in America totally drives the Mexican crime war south of the border, and it is totally fueled by lax American gun laws. You conservatives are totally responsible for that war.

Gun control only controls law abiding citizens.

Free and available guns make criminals out of law-abiding citizens.

 

[some other dude]

Free and available guns make criminals out of law-abiding citizens.

You're referring, of course, to Bammy's Fast and Furious program of arming law abiding Mexican drug traffickers?

 

[Angel4Truth]

Drug addicts don't want to do drugs; they are hooked. Addiction is involuntary by nature. Drug programs work and reduce demand. So does reduction in poverty.

Thats the biggest load ive ever heard. If it were true, no one would ever be able to get clean, and no one would ever start doing them to begin with.

Many who get clean - don't go back to them because they cant do anything else, they go back because they want to. Because it makes them feel good and thats all they care about.

Making guns illegal keeps guns out of many peoples hands, because then there are fewer guns. As I said, we can only make guns illegal by a consensus of the nation; until then, what we need is more control, and a reduction in the aspect of American culture that glorifies guns and violence.

Criminals are people who break the law, do you really think they give a rip whether they are legal or not? It would be better for them if they were illegal, they would make more money off them, and then regular people wouldn't be able to defend themselves and they would know it and love it.

The high demand in America totally drives the Mexican crime war south of the border, and it is totally fueled by lax American gun laws. You conservatives are totally responsible for that war.

There is something wrong with your brain.

Free and available guns make criminals out of law-abiding citizens.

Yeah yeah - because according to liberals like you, no one is responsible for anything they do. Except conservatives of course. We are the only ones who can make decisions of our own right?