Stole it, oh well making them illegal would have stopped that theft....so much for the gun control you want eameece..
toldailytopic: Ohio High School Shooting: what can we learn from this tragedy?
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Stole it, oh well making them illegal would have stopped that theft....so much for the gun control you want eameece..
WizardofOz
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Thanks for the link. Yeah, not sure how greater gun control would have made a difference.
On to the next scapegoat....
Since we all sin, that's a given.
My daughter, as part of FIA, openly prayed in school, and before school at the flagpole. You've really been taken on that one.
Prayer has never been banned in public schools. Mandatory prayer by a school official is banned. My daughter frequently prayed with her friends in public school.
But there were at least 16 school shootings in the fifties. There has been a significant drop in school violence since then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting
But you can't credit removing prayer; it's still going strong in public schools.
The ones in the 50s were not the same thing, they were not random, most were one on one.
The first random public school shooting happened in 1974. There is a chart at the link you posted.
The first mass random shooting at a school in general was 1966 at the University of Texas.
The first mass random shooting at a school in general was 1966 at the University of Texas.
Hmm...
May 4, 1956 in Prince George's County, Maryland, 15-year-old student Billy Prevatte fatally shot one teacher and injured two others at Maryland Park Junior High School in Prince George's County after he had been reprimanded from the school.
February 2, 1960 Hartford City, Indiana Principal Leonard Redden shot and killed two teachers with a shotgun at William Reed Elementary School in Hartford City, Indiana, before fleeing into a remote forest, where he committed suicide.
There has been a general decline in violence in public schools. Students are now twice as likely to be the victim of violence away from public schools.
http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=49
The first known mass shooting in the U.S. where students were shot, was on April 9, 1891
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting
That was by a 70 year old, not a student. You keep comparing apples and oranges - and the earlier was a student directed anger at teachers for suspension.
These things are not random student violence.
Again the first public school shootings, random acts of violence from a student occurred in 1974.
One on one crimes and violence to teachers/principle for a specific reason is not the same.
Check your link again, there is a reason there are charts grouping them together.
eameece
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Guns are more widely available and distributed now than in the past, especially handguns.
If guns were controlled better, fewer criminals would have them too. Also, fewer insane folks like all these shooters.
But drug treatment programs might.
eameece
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Fewer guns would have made a difference. Had his uncle not had a gun, or had it locked away from others as control requires, the boy would not have been able to steal it. Most crimes are committed with stolen weapons. The problem originates with those who buy guns in the first place. The most likely use of such a gun, is in a accidental shooting of a family member, or being stolen. Gun control is at least a start. Fewer guns is the goal.
School shootings per se are not the issue I raised. The issue is mass shootings by deranged people, including the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords. That has been on the increase since 1966.
WizardofOz
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What lengths should the government go to in order to ensure that the uncle didn't own a gun?
And there are more people also.
Not when there is theft involved.
And so might responsible gun ownership programs.
However, neither making them illegal or programs about them will stop theft or criminal activity with them, anymore than drugs being illegal and drug programs stop drug use.
Face it, gun control is not the answer. The person stole a gun. They didn't get it at walmart.
And the rules change yet again...
(Barbarian shows that the first mass school shootings came much earlier than Angle wants it to be)
And if he wasn't, you'd point out that he was left-handed, and didn't live in the town where he shot up the school.
Bottom line? The FBI keeps stats on that kind of violence. And the rate hasn't changed much over the years.
Surprise.
(Barbarian shows that the first mass school shootings came much earlier than Angle wants it to be)
And if he wasn't, you'd point out that he was left-handed, and didn't live in the town where he shot up the school.
Bottom line? The FBI keeps stats on that kind of violence. And the rate hasn't changed much over the years.
Surprise.
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BEAUMONT, TX — A Texas man has been charged with capital murder after intentionally driving his fleeing sport utility vehicle into the patrol car of an officer, who was struck and killed
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A teen-ager driving a stolen car hit two 15-year-old girls yesterday at Edmondson-Westside High School in Baltimore, then sped off, hit a concrete barrier and died, police said.
Alexander Glynn, 18, of the 400 block of E. 28th St. died at the scene of the 8:50 a.m. crash, according to city police, after he drove a 1989 Dodge, reported stolen Wednesday, into the barriers on Franklin Street and Edmondson Avenue.
Principal Irby Miller said he was greeting students outside Edmondson-Westside yesterday morning when he watched a car speed into a parking area, U-turn and hit two students. Miller said he believed the driver, who had turned off Swann Avenue, realized he couldn't cut through the parking area to Edmondson Avenue. The driver stopped, backed up and hit April Barbour, 15.
BEAUMONT, TX — A Texas man has been charged with capital murder after intentionally driving his fleeing sport utility vehicle into the patrol car of an officer, who was struck and killed
Story
A teen-ager driving a stolen car hit two 15-year-old girls yesterday at Edmondson-Westside High School in Baltimore, then sped off, hit a concrete barrier and died, police said.
Alexander Glynn, 18, of the 400 block of E. 28th St. died at the scene of the 8:50 a.m. crash, according to city police, after he drove a 1989 Dodge, reported stolen Wednesday, into the barriers on Franklin Street and Edmondson Avenue.
Principal Irby Miller said he was greeting students outside Edmondson-Westside yesterday morning when he watched a car speed into a parking area, U-turn and hit two students. Miller said he believed the driver, who had turned off Swann Avenue, realized he couldn't cut through the parking area to Edmondson Avenue. The driver stopped, backed up and hit April Barbour, 15.
It was everybody else's fault that he has no spine. :idunno:
Seeing this thread on the front page is the first I've heard of this.
And if some of the upstanding kids in the school had been allowed to bring guns this kid would have thought twice.
At what point did Knight blame homosexuality?
The guy who played the dad on The Brady Bunch was married. So was the gay guy who played Darren on Bewitched. So, no, that is not evidence the kid wasn't gay.
What we need is to teach kids to respect guns.
And if some of the upstanding kids in the school had been allowed to bring guns this kid would have thought twice.
What has changed is the things that we consider assault, especially those of a sexual nature.
The grabbing, groping, exploiting, of young girls that goes on in school these days would have been considered sexual assault 30 years ago. Today, it's called.... Prom.
WizardofOz
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Post 9.
Exceptions do not make the rule.
Having a girlfriend is certainly evidence of being straight. What is needed is evidence that he is gay. Otherwise, why would anyone think that he is?
You don't think that a man being married to a woman is evidence of that man being straight? :hammer:
Cause, it is.
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eameece
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I guess it depends on the degree the public is willing to go in that direction. The further the better, but it won't work until the public is ready. I don't agree with forced confiscation, for example; i.e. using lots of guns to force people not to have guns.
To some extent, it was not only the shooter's fault, but to a lesser degree to be sure, his uncle's for having the gun and leaving it accessible. As I suggested, there are rules about that, and they should be enforced. The uncle should pay a penalty for making his gun accessible to his nephew.
What would have prevented this particular tragedy, is less important than the fact that many such tragedies could be prevented if insane people were not allowed to have guns. The Brady Law should be stronger again.
Government is not the whole answer to too many guns. We need to go beyond our gun culture, and our belief that safety comes from guns.
eameece
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There is no such thing. The problem is too many guns.
Drug programs do stop drug use.
If people can get guns at Walmart, gun shows, dealers, etc., then they are too easy to get. Too many guns means too many are stolen and fall into the wrong hands. Gun control is a big part of the answer to violent crime in America. We are too obsessed with guns, and we have too many of them. Especially hanguns.
No, Gloria was right, not Archie. But Archie is a good caricature for Nick, and a lot of people here.