I find that very difficult to believe. People can do surprisingly well even in difficult situations. But when the standard is to never try of course they will never learn.
Many teachers are not capable of educating all the children in their care.
toldailytopic: Government run schools. What (if anything) would you do to change them
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You are assuming that they care enough to try.
They don't, generally speaking. They don't because they are led to believe that their child's education is someone else's responsibility.
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It is far more sinister than that I'm afraid in many instances.
We are talking about people who abuse and neglect their kids - their children for goodness sake! Could you imagine trying to get sexual gratification from your child? Or not bathing them, or feeding them? How about beating them?
How about mother's that drug effect their babies in-utero?
No, it isn't just dependence on a system.
I didn't say it is. Reread the post then rexamine your answer. A cycle of welfare has produced bad parents.
The proper response to child abuse is not to mandate that every child is enrolled in a government school. :nono:
No, I don't. I actually meant what I said, believe it or not. Schools these days teach kids to be conformist consumer drones. I'm not terribly happy with the finished product.
What about parents who are physically or mentally disabled? What about abusive parents? What about well-meaning parents who simply lack the capacity, knowledge, and other tools necessary to be a good teacher? What about single parents? What about children who don't have parents? Should we expect their guardians (maybe family members, maybe not) to educate their wards at home regardless of age or situation?
The idea that we should just "send the kids home" might sound okay at first but it's actually a disastrous idea. Like it or not, public schools do have their place. Not everyone could, or should, teach their children at home. Let alone the folks who simply can't.
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No I have heard of the fact that actually getting kids to school is a huge problem in many areas. In that case you need something different, but I don't think corporal punishment is the answer.
The problem is the current buzz in education is "Blame teachers first" (see what is happening in the Washington DC schools). As if if we fired every bad teacher education would magically be perfect. There are underlying societal problems that inner city schools especially are confronting.
Yet these schools aren't being given the ability to deal with these problems. Stories of the DC schools I have seen speak of children that are raising each other with no parents involved and coming to school covered in roach bites. The problem ISN'T the teachers . . . .
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Attributing all bad parents to welfare is ridiculous. The kids I deal with don't generally come from welfare mothers, yet they have zero ambition anyway.
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Most children that are abused are abused by family members or friends . . not the school.
You really, really, really, really, REALLY need to learn to consider what you're responding to. This is an utterly irrelevant response, a total non-sequitur, and shows you have no appreciation for the point being made.
The government should cease funding schools.
Parents are generally the best teachers for their parents.
Parents generally do not care enough to try teaching their own kids.
This is because parents are led to believe their child's education is another's responsibility.
Some parents are even abusive of their children.
The correct response to child abuse is not found within any education system.
We were talking about parents. For you to say what you posted only shows how little you understand the conversation.
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Everyone should have equal access to quality education in the US, for as far as their abilities will take them.
Equal access does not mean equal abilities, or equal development schedules.
I would do away with the associations between grade levels and age. Change the system so that people can develop at their own pace. Some kids should graduate at a highschool level at age 13, some at 24.
Equal access does not mean equal abilities, or equal development schedules.
I would do away with the associations between grade levels and age. Change the system so that people can develop at their own pace. Some kids should graduate at a highschool level at age 13, some at 24.
What's sad is that you are unaware that most children are capable of teaching themselves, and much better at it than most public school teachers. And the smarter the kid the better they are.
A government running a school is a misuse.
Or led to believe they are incapable of teaching their children.
Might I suggest that discipline, not information sharing, is the most important factor in raising successful children. Thus the focus of teacher training should be on their ability to discipline a child far more than their ability to share information.
Couple that with the fact that government run schools almost never allow functional discipline and rely on the alternatives of bribery, coercion, manipulation and blackmail and you've got yourself a water-tight case for the superiority of parent over trained professional. :up:
Couple that with the fact that government run schools almost never allow functional discipline and rely on the alternatives of bribery, coercion, manipulation and blackmail and you've got yourself a water-tight case for the superiority of parent over trained professional. :up:
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I had a good response but TOL would not receive it because a security token was missing.
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It happened twice, now.
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