Does not compute (heretical, but not salvific). Circular reasoning, begging the question, unbiblical (part of it vs all of sentence). It does not take time to learn your view, but it may take time and study for you to unlearn it for a more biblical statement.
toldailytopic: Does a Christian lose their salvation every time they sin?
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Does not compute (heretical, but not salvific). Circular reasoning, begging the question, unbiblical (part of it vs all of sentence). It does not take time to learn your view, but it may take time and study for you to unlearn it for a more biblical statement.
why is that funny?
You can't kill, lie, steal, destroy, damage, forget something, sleep, decay, fall, do something bad, bleed, sneeze, get sick, cry, mad, bad, ahhhhhhh?
coulter4president
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i've read it and contrary to what you say, there is NOTHING there that invalidates what was taught b4..
i dont even know w hat exactly you are saying is supposedly invalidated...
and the Cathlic religion is NOT a denomination...
the Catholic Church is the ONE true Church... the Roman Catholic, that is..
Catholics popes throughout history have said that other "churches" are not really churches but "ecclesial communities" and where they differ from Catholic theology they are wrong.
There is only one God, one truth...
If a Christian can lose their salvation each time they sin then that means that the scale is not unmovable. A scale goes both ways. If a scale can be countered & pulled & weighed down on one side, then the alternative is also possible. If sin can snatch salvation from a Christian, then that effects the very definition to what salvation even means.
coulter4president
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can't find anything to argue w/ here...
except that this cleansing process happens in Purgatory as well as in this life...
and in both cases it is only Christ who can do the cleansing..
it is Jesus Christ's Spiirt, in Purgatory, that cleanses...
except that this cleansing process happens in Purgatory as well as in this life...
and in both cases it is only Christ who can do the cleansing..
it is Jesus Christ's Spiirt, in Purgatory, that cleanses...
Purgatory is a denial of His finished work on our behalf. It has no biblical support, just RC tradition/Apocrypha.
If sinning doesn't cause one to lose salvation, then is there any other way for salvation to be lost then?
The ultimate sin is unbelief, a unique sin. It is the only one that severes or keeps one from relationship with God. It is the antithesis of the condition of saving faith. If we were saved by being sexually moral, then being immoral might unsave us. Since we receive grace through faith in Christ, then the way to forfeit or not get grace is to not believe, cease to believe, reject Christ. A Christian can lust and remain a believer (disciplined by God vs rejected by God Heb. 12). A Christian who renounces Christ and follows Islam, atheism, Buddhism, etc. is not trusting Christ, is no longer saved (one cannot be saved apart from being in and remaining in Christ: Heb. 6:4-6; I Jn. 5:11-13).
There is no need to cling to Calvinistic OSAS/POTS for assurance. A believer has assurance from the Word/Spirit. An apostate/one who fell away should not be given false assurance, but should be called back to repentant faith.
Samstarrett
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I'm getting tired of saying this, but, one more time:
Telling a Catholic his beliefs are extrabiblical is like telling a Protestant his beliefs are not found in the Old Testament. It causes no dissonance for them, it's not a contradiction for them; they don't claim all their beliefs are in the Bible.
They need to be told that tradition is not always truth. They need to be told that Scripture alone is the authority, not fallible popes. They may not believe or like it, but why compromise truth?
Nope.
keypurr
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Inzl, where are you on this?
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Why then have you elsewhere here said that OSAS is not the gospel? I am wondering how you come to that conclusion with what you say above. What you said above is correct. A Christian can not sin. Keeping it simple....A Christian can walk up to a Wal-Mart, steal a candy bar, and it isn't a sin. Sometimes that is hard for people to get their head around, but he is not bound by the law.
And no, that doesn't mean you should feel as though you can pillage your neighbors. We shouldn't even need to go to that discussion.
SaulToPaul 2
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Then your "salvation on trial" message is a denial of His finished work on our behalf.
Charity
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its obvious the sacrifice of life on the cross was a waste of time for some an the powering over on over again to keep Mose's on the thrown is the terribly binding an blinding; wow what a force to be reckoned with 2011 years later!
Simplify. Brake the Law That sayeth Follow The Law; recognise abuse; charity
Samstarrett
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Don't compromise it, but if you're going to try to convince them of your particular views on this point, provide some support for your opinions rather than just repeating 'Purgatory is extrabiblical!' That won't change their minds, and rightly not. They'll probably just laugh at you.
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I agree with the basis of this.
As long as one continues to abide in Christ, they have assurance of their salvation.
But one can chose to deliberately apostatize and no longer abide in Christ.
How does one stop being in Christ? You don't put yourself there. And he said when you are put there, you become his slave. You are a slave to (his)righteousness.
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