toldailytopic: Are some sins 'non-reformable' and/or 'unforgivable'? If so, what are
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Oh no... it's Sozo
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Yep. I'm not sure why vnctblzn is not seeing that. :idunno:
elohiym
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zippy2006
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Neither do I understand it:
What's all this talk of saving if unbelief is unpardonable? How could a conversion happen if you are converting an unforgivable person?
elohiym
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The penalty for sin is death (Rom 6:23).
Sin can be pardoned by God (2Sam 12:13).
God has forgiven our sins and taken away our capacity to sin (Isa 1:18; Jer 31:34; Rom 4:7; 1Jo 3:9).
If someone doesn't believe that, logically he cannot be forgiven and cannot cease from sin (Luke 7:47; 2Pet 2:14).
It is the man's state of mind that makes the sin unpardonable (Rom 8:7).
Conversion is receiving a new state of mind (1Cor 2:16).
zippy2006
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thank you elohiym :e4e:
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Unbelief is unforgivable. Once an unbeliever is a believer they are forgiven. No one is forgiven who is an unbeliever.
Forgiveness is not how someone is saved. We are saved when we believe the Gospel and receive His life (Rom 5:10). In His life, we receive all things. Only those who are saved are forgiven. Eph 1:7; Col 1:14
How do you know this? Have you participated in research on paedophiles (pedophiles), or have you read about the subject at length in journals? Were you a correctional officer, or counselor?
How do you know sins or thought patterns can change the brain? Have you studied this?
Can you honestly say more than you believe that some sin cannot be overcome ?
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vnctblzn
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my government counselor informs me that my father and his husband have no hope of restoration as pedophile kidnappers. they kidnapped, drugged, sodomized and filmed a prepubescant little boy. my father also wanted to marry me, but i dont believe in marriage. how much experience do you suggest i need?
zippy2006
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Okay I think I understand ...:think:
Your first two sentences seem a bit contradictory though. Would it be accurate to say that past unbelief is forgiven once one becomes a believer? When you say "unbelief is unforgivable" do you mean that it is impossible to be forgiven while you remain an unbeliever, rather than saying that unbelief itself is a specific sin that will never be forgiven?
Does the former atheist retain his sin of unbelief? I'm still mulling over elohiym's bit that we are given a new state of mind through Christ.
vnctblzn
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okay, thanks.
I believe that through the Grace of God, all sin shall be overcome and by being of the Holy Spirit, in Christ, one may never again lose salvation. Even the paedophile, rapist and murder if he is truly repentant, and more importantly, has absolute faith in Jesus’ act of salvation, one may be free of these sins.
vnctblzn
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its been suggested that unbelievers have blasphemed the holy spirit and therefore cannot ever be forgiven. therefore an individual is incapable of being converted from unbelief to belief.
vnctblzn
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okay, thanks.
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What??? How do you come up with that?
Jesus is simply stating that blaspheme of the Holy Spirit cannot be forgiven. You cannot become a believer by being forgiven of being an unbeliever.
This is a personal experience, sad as it is; however not generalizable without careful study and in this area, most studies a qualitative and not very reliable.
Who is the government counselor, is he a doctor? What do you mean by your 'father and his husband?' If you farther is a man and that is the general meaning of the word 'father', then he cannot have a husband.
Then you say this father of yours, who has a 'husband' wanted to marry you? You do not believe in marriage?
Alright, I am able to put some things together; you would naturally think some sin is unforgivable. It seems you have had some experience with psychopathology, but yours is experienced, not studied. I am sorry for you and will pray for you. I hope come to see a brighter side of human nature.
vnctblzn
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then how is a blasphemer of the holy spirit forgiven?
why not? how is one forgiven then?
vnctblzn
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yes, employed by government.
it is a same-sex marriage. quite common in the news also.
correct.
within specific context. i dont see a value of marriage unless there is a potential for child-bearing. further, i dont believe that everyone is qualified for marriage. the majority of marriages end up in divorce.
i believe that all are sinners.
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They can't be forgiven. They turn from being unbelievers to believers. Unbelief is never forgiven. I know I've already explained this in this thread.
Because God does not forgive those who do not believe in Jesus (see my first post)
By being in Christ. Eph 1:7; Col 1:14
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