ECT "Things that are different" included Gentiles

[tetelestai]

Both groups that made up the "twain" contained Jews/Gentiles.

Prior to the NC, a Gentile could never fully "become a Jew". The Gentiles who believed in God were always designated as god-fearers, proselytes, etc.

There was always a wall of separation between a Jew and a Gentile, no matter how faithful the Gentile may have been.

The epistle of Ephesians is all about breaking down the wall of separation between the Jew and Gentile. NOT "Jewish & Gentile kingdom believers" and "pagan Gentiles" like you and heir claim.

In the NC, there is no longer a distinction between Jew and Gentile in Christ.

That is what Paul is explaining in Eph 2.

 

[Interplanner]

We did, It's called TOL

Then it has the wrong name. It should have been called D'ist TOL

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

That tells me you basic study approach is off.

How so?

Is everyone you disagree with subject to a faulty study approach?

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Then it has the wrong name. It should have been called D'ist TOL

How about 2P2PTOL?

 

[tetelestai]

Is it debatable that there were Jews/Gentiles in the promises and Jews/Gentiles outside the promises in the first century?

Which promise? The one to Abraham, the one to Jacob, the one to Isaac, or the land promise?

(Lev 26:42) I will remember my covenant with Jacob and my covenant with Isaac and my covenant with Abraham, and I will remember the land.

 

[tetelestai]

How about 2P2PTOL?

Wait.....I thought you were a 3P3P guy?

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Wait.....I thought you were a 3P3P guy?

I am. But IP loves to say 2P2P.

 

[Danoh]

Is it debatable that there were Jews/Gentiles in the promises and Jews/Gentiles outside the promises in the first century?

I already addressed that - after Acts 7, all but the Believing Remnant and their converts, were concluded under sin: both Jew and Gentile.

Paul's preaching was to both as being under sin, and in light of the fact that at the end of Acts 7 per Romans 1-3 and 9-11: God had concluded Unbelieving Israel as having continued in the Uncircumcision of their hearts; sealed the Believing Remnant; and temporarily shut down and cut off access to Israel's Prophesied Promises until the fulness of this Uncircumcision salvation He was now offering to both, be come in.

 

[tetelestai]

We who first trusted

The Disciples and Apostles (including Paul)

Ye who also trusted

The Christian Ephesians Paul was talking to.

It's really that simple.

 

[Interplanner]

The Disciples and Apostles (including Paul)



The Christian Ephesians Paul was talking to.

It's really that simple.

And wider. Ephesians was not the only audience of that letter; it was circulated widely.

 

[Danoh]

How so?

Is everyone you disagree with subject to a faulty study approach?

There you go; oversimplifying again.

Proving my very point.

 

[tetelestai]

and temporarily shut down and cut off access to Israel's Prophesied Promises until the fulness of this Uncircumcision salvation He was now offering to both, be come in.

Not "temporily shut down". Fulfilled.

All the promises were fulfilled in Christ Jesus. Those who have faith are the heirs to the promise.

(Gal 3:29) If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[oatmeal]

Clearly, Gentiles are different than Judeans.

How does anyone receive the gift of salvation, that is, in this age of grace?

Anyone, being early Gentiles, later Gentiles, Israel who followed Jesus Christ, Israel who later believed.

Romans 10:9 tells us how to become saved, to receive the gift of salvation.

Confess with your mouth the lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead.

That Jesus is lord and that God raised him from the dead is information that could have and was known by some even before the ascension and most certainly on the day of Pentecost by those who cared to know.

The same two requirements apply to whosoever.

Nicely stated and Biblically accurate.

It does not matter if you were Judean Gentile, early or late or right on time or a Judean or Gentile today, it is confessing with your mouth the lord Jesus and believing in your heart that God raised him from the dead that gets you saved.

And for that matter, as I Timothy 2:4, it is God's will not only that you are saved, but that you come to the knowledge of the truth.

Not a knowledge of a truth, not the early Gentile knowledge of Judean knowledge of the gospel period or Paul's truth...

But the knowledge of the truth.

 

[Interplanner]

Not "temporily shut down". Fulfilled.

All the promises were fulfilled in Christ Jesus. Those who have faith are the heirs to the promise.

(Gal 3:29) If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

They have never tried to sound like the text.

 

[Danoh]

Not "temporily shut down". Fulfilled.

All the promises were fulfilled in Christ Jesus. Those who have faith are the heirs to the promise.

(Gal 3:29) If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

All that is, is what Paul began the chapter with - the issue of inheritance of eternal life that righteousness through faith allows.

A promise fulfilled, or made possible by the Cross.

Back when Abraham was promised he would be the father of many nations (content of that gospel or good news preached unto Abraham), he believed God and God counted his faith in said gospel from God, He counted his having believed God, unto him for righteousness.

Paul's point being that whomever believes the content of God's good news unto him; God counts their faith unto them for righteousness, just as He had done with Abraham.

Paul is laying out a timeless Principle that is at the same time Dispensational.

That differs as to the content of the message to the particular individuals within the particular Dispensation that they are expected to believe.

Just as this had once been a gospel or good news and accompanying set of related instructions as to one's required expression of faith, that had once been on the table...

Deuteronomy 6:24 And the LORD commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the LORD our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive, as it is at this day. 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

And that; towards its' intended result...

Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

In contrast to that gospel, is this one...

3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Duh-uh - you're as confused about Galatians as the 28ers and 9/28er Hybrids are.

 

[tetelestai]

That differs as to the content of the message to the particular individuals within the particular Dispensation that they are expected to believe.

Not "dispensation", but "covenant".

Dispensations are not time periods, however we know when the OC began, and when it ended, and we know when the NC began.

In the OC, the physical Israelites were set apart from everyone else. They were God's chosen people for that covenant.

In the NC, there is no longer a physical distinction.

Even under the OC, those Gentiles who had faith were given a distinction from the physical descendants of Jacob's 12 sons.

There was always a wall of separation in the Old Covenant. There is no wall in the New Covenant.

The "two groups" have become one.

 

[tetelestai]

In contrast to that gospel, is this one...

The contrast is the covenants.

Paul was a minister of the New Covenant.

(2 Cor 3:6) He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant--not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

The NC is spiritual, the OC was not.

 

[Interplanner]

Not "dispensation", but "covenant".

Dispensations are not time periods, however we know when the OC began, and when it ended, and we know when the NC began.

In the OC, the physical Israelites were set apart from everyone else. They were God's chosen people for that covenant.

In the NC, there is no longer a physical distinction.

Even under the OC, those Gentiles who had faith were given a distinction from the physical descendants of Jacob's 12 sons.

There was always a wall of separation in the Old Covenant. There is no wall in the New Covenant.

The "two groups" have become one.

Dispensations seem connected to time, such as 2 Cor 6:1.

 

[tetelestai]

Dispensations seem connected to time, such as 2 Cor 6:1.

The grace that God dispensed in the OC was different than the grace God dispensed in the NC.

Again, the difference is between the OC and the NC, not some made up time periods called "dispensations".

 

[tetelestai]

Darby Followers base their theology on time periods called dispensations.

Yet, the Darby Followers can't even agree how many alleged dispensations (time periods) there are.

Some Darby Followers claim 7, some claim 3, some 4, some 8, and on and on.

Even MADists (who can't even agree where in Mid-Acts the big "switch" took place), can't agree how many time periods (dispensations) there are.