There is no "Popular Vote" winner.

[Crucible]

No, the senate already takes into account the interests of the state. The EC isn't about the states, it was originally about putting a group of wiser men in charge of selecting the president. It also allowed slave states to use their slaves as voting power while not giving them the right to vote. Eventually that system was modified into a hybrid majority vote based on states. Which at this point in world history is nonsensical. Your only support for it is that it allowed your side to win.

That is a recent bias that came with this election- as with everything else, you all dumb it down to slavery, sexism, or some other thing.

There is direct literature from the Founding Fathers on that directly contradicts you all's revised opinion of the EC.

So in your view Democracy = socialism. That's a new one. :rotfl: "Socialism" as you understand it didn't really exist when the constitution was written anyway. But the constitution does aim to "Promote the general welfare".

Democracy is not some sanctified, holy word- it is a system of government that has the shortest lifespan of any other form in man's history. It ultimately fails.
The Founding Fathers knew this, and that is why they cut America from a different cloth than your beloved Europeans who you really need to pack your bags and go to :wave2:

 

[ok doser]

 

[fool]

It was a flawed system to start off with.

So why don't the states fix it? One state at at time?
Wouldn't that mean giving up power?

Oh you won't feel bad for a while yet. :chuckle: Trump is poisonous to the USA in a wide variety of ways. Foreign nations will take our place as leaders and both they and the corporate elite will take advantage of Trump's inexperience and ego.

I still don't get why people think a 70 year old billionaire is inexperienced.
Did you say the same about the 47 year old First term Senator Obama?

 

[fool]

Wait till you see what they do to Trump. Obama will look like he ruled from the Iron Throne.

Did Obama go to Scotland, smack everyone around and build a golf course on a bird sanctuary?
Did He?
Trump did and that was when he was just plain old Donald from New York.
Now he's he Most Powerful Man in the World.
Not only Militarily but Economically.
He can knock 2 points off a countries value before the end of the day with a Tweet.
And he's not afraid to do it.
Who's Obama again?

 

[ok doser]

I still don't get why people think a 70 year old billionaire is inexperienced.

because he's never been president of the united states :duh:

Did you say the same about the 47 year old First term Senator Obama?

that's different

 

[fool]

because he's never been president of the united states :duh:

Right, but he's been an Executive his whole life, he employs 23,000 people.

that's different

I don't get why we give Congress People a pass on the experience thing. When Obama ran he was a Senator and had never run any more people than his own staff. How does being in the Legislature translate to becoming the Chief Executive?

 

[ok doser]

Right, but he's been an Executive his whole life, he employs 23,000 people.




I don't get why we give Congress People a pass on the experience thing. When Obama ran he was a Senator and had never run any more people than his own staff. How does being in the Legislature translate to becoming the Chief Executive?

it doesn't


you have to go back to kennedy to find a president who didn't have previous executive experience

 

[ok doser]

Right, but he's been an Executive his whole life, he employs 23,000 people.




I don't get why we give Congress People a pass on the experience thing. When Obama ran he was a Senator and had never run any more people than his own staff. How does being in the Legislature translate to becoming the Chief Executive?

it doesn't


you have to go back to kennedy to find a president who didn't have previous executive experience


ford doesn't count - he was never elected into the executive branch

 

[Alate_One]

Did Obama go to Scotland, smack everyone around and build a golf course on a bird sanctuary?
Did He?

Is that what you call "leadership"?

I suppose you thought it was leadership when Russia annexed Crimea, or when the US attacked Iraq or when Hitler invaded Poland . . .

No, Obama saved the country from another great depression, rescued American auto companies, found and killed Bin Laden and passed the first health care reform in a generation, insuring 20 million Americans that did not have health insurance before. But yeah building a golf course on a bird sanctuary is an accomplishment, I guess.

Trump did and that was when he was just plain old Donald from New York.

I think you've mistaken "The Apprentice" for reality.

Now he's he Most Powerful Man in the World.
Not only Militarily but Economically.

Not for long, especially with Trump in charge. If he does actually go protectionist it'll happen much faster.

He can knock 2 points off a countries value before the end of the day with a Tweet.

Yeah any president could do that if they were so inclined. Most were wise enough to use their power judiciously.

And he's not afraid to do it.

You do understand that's not a good thing. Are you a fan of the Phillippine president Duterte too?

Who's Obama again?

One of our greatest and possibly last president.

 

[ok doser]

Who's Obama again?

One of our greatest and possibly last president.

:darwinsm:


good one! :thumb:

 

[Alate_One]

So why don't the states fix it? One state at at time?
Wouldn't that mean giving up power?

I still don't get why people think a 70 year old billionaire is inexperienced.
Did you say the same about the 47 year old First term Senator Obama?

Obama chose an experienced VP and cabinet. Trump has surrounded himself with other similarly inexperienced billionaires. And he won't listen to advice anyway. Obama had clear positions on the issues, he had clearly learned about them and thought about them. Trump, not so much. You ask Trump something he doesn't know much about (which is most things) and he responds with a word salad.

I think we ought to get on with our lives. I think that computers have complicated lives very greatly. The whole age of computer has made it where nobody knows exactly what's going on.

 

[Ktoyou]

There is a popular vote winner. It's the system we use for electing, pretty much every other position you can think of. But for some arcane reason the founders created an electoral college. The states can decide to allocate their electors based on the popular vote. And some of them already have.

Bottom line is you'll tout your "victory" even though you don't actually have the support of the majority of Americans. I'll wait for the overreach to sink in.

No No because they are radiclibs! We need to give a voice to small states like Kansas, South Dakota, Oklahoma, Nebraska and the south-land. Not just the lib-commie socialist states of left coast and east Yankee doodle coast

 

[Alate_One]

No No because they are radiclibs! We need to give a voice to small states like Kansas, South Dakota, Oklahoma, Nebraska and the south-land. Not just the lib-commie socialist states of left coast and east Yankee doodle coast

In other words, it's okay because my minority is better than your majority. Most of the USA lives in large cities and the coasts. You want outsized representation just because. You think land should be represented in voting over people?

 

[Ktoyou]

Yes. They own land and have major investment in this country. We have a republic, not a majority democracy

 

[Crucible]

If you win by any real majority, the EC is not going to keep you from office.

But, you didn't win a real majority. You won am extremely slight majority by spreading propaganda throughout urban areas. There's nothing to cry about- you've already had your way for too long.

Did you not get your fill, liberals, or are you all really just that insane :chuckle:

 

[fool]

Is that what you call "leadership"?

I suppose you thought it was leadership when Russia annexed Crimea, or when the US attacked Iraq or when Hitler invaded Poland . . .

I don't know what else you would call it.

No, Obama saved the country from another great depression, rescued American auto companies, found and killed Bin Laden and passed the first health care reform in a generation, insuring 20 million Americans that did not have health insurance before. But yeah building a golf course on a bird sanctuary is an accomplishment, I guess.

Those are things Obama did after he became Pres. If you wanna compare Obama and Trump as Presidents you'll have to wait eight years.

I think you've mistaken "The Apprentice" for reality.

Trump won, that is the reality.

Not for long, especially with Trump in charge. If he does actually go protectionist it'll happen much faster.

Is the sky falling as well?

Yeah any president could do that if they were so inclined. Most were wise enough to use their power judiciously.

"Judiciously" is a subjective term.

You do understand that's not a good thing. Are you a fan of the Phillippine president Duterte too?

I don't know him.

One of our greatest and possibly last president.

Where are you going to move to?

 

[fool]

Obama chose an experienced VP and cabinet. Trump has surrounded himself with other similarly inexperienced billionaires. And he won't listen to advice anyway. Obama had clear positions on the issues, he had clearly learned about them and thought about them. Trump, not so much. You ask Trump something he doesn't know much about (which is most things) and he responds with a word salad.

I think we ought to get on with our lives. I think that computers have complicated lives very greatly. The whole age of computer has made it where nobody knows exactly what's going on.

He has the best word salad doesn't he?

 

[ok doser]

Obama chose an experienced VP ...

biden had experience working as a VP?

 

[Alate_One]

I don't know what else you would call it.

It's called strong arming, by a bully. There's a difference between leadership and throwing your weight around to get what benefits you personally. But I guess you couldn't tell the difference since you voted for him.

Those are things Obama did after he became Pres. If you wanna compare Obama and Trump as Presidents you'll have to wait eight years.

Obama was 47 when he was elected and is now 55. Trump is 70. What has Trump done with those same years Obama had with all of this wealth and power Trump supposedly had. He's got an extra 15 years on Obama, what has he done with them?

Building golf courses isn't leadership, certainly not of the people. I can grab at least a dozen other similarly rich Americans that have done more for this country than Trump without holding elected office.

Is the sky falling as well?

The US has long been a declining power. Trump isn't going to change that trajectory, he's going to accelerate it because his ideas are rooted in the past and he's in denial about real solutions. China will likely overtake the USA as the most powerful nation within Trump's tenure. When you abdicate international leadership, someone else will take your place.

Where are you going to move to?

I'm not moving anywhere, not unless Trump and his family actually do create a dictatorship. If it's necessary I have family in Canada. But I intend to stay fight his idiocy because too many people cannot leave and will suffer under him. Maybe you should consider moving to Russia. I hear they have a strong leader and Trump thinks it's great.

 

[ok doser]

Is that what you call "leadership"?

I suppose you thought it was leadership when ... the US attacked Iraq . . .

I don't know what else you would call it.

It's called strong arming, by a bully.

you think the US attacking Iraq was "strong arming, by a bully"?? :freak:

China will likely overtake the USA as the most powerful nation within Trump's tenure.

here's the projected GDP

lucky for us it's been going down all through bammy's eight years of disaster, eh?