Alate_One
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It was a unilateral attack on a nation that wasn't involved in 911. It was unwarranted US aggression.
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It was a unilateral attack on a nation that wasn't involved in 911. It was unwarranted US aggression.
ok doser
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well, no
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they weren't involved in the attack on pearl harbor either
so what?
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it was an effective removal of a brutal dictator who was destabilizing the region
Alate_One
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I'm not counting the one or two nations we strongarmed into helping. Stronger friendly nations told us it was a mistake, and they were right.
Nobody claimed they were part of pearl harbor, but there were attempts to link Iraq to 911.
He was a brutal dictator, but removing him destabilized the region, ultimately resulting in ISIS among other problems.
Alate_One
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GDP growth? Uhh no. Do you have problems with graph reading? When the line goes towards higher numbers, that means it's going UP.
We're simply not growing as fast as China, which shouldn't be surprising since china has over Four TIMES our population. And most of those people are just starting to have decent purchasing power. That means huge untapped market and crazy growth are possible. The USA is a mature market with low population growth, it's virtually impossible for us to match China's growth or eventual GDP.
That's just math so no matter what Mr. Trump says, he can't change the math. And reducing immigration actually makes the problem worse, because our natural population growth (birth rate) is quite low.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
there were four
and you seem unaware of the meaning of the word "unilateral"
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in what way did we "strongarm" the UK or australia?
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stronger than the UK?
who would that be?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
looks like sarcasm is lost on you :idunno:
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right, and we haven't been for the last eight years
kinda dopey to blame trump for something that's been in play during the whole of bammy's embarrassment of a presidency
Alate_One
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With you, it's hard to tell.
I'm not blaming him for the overall trend, I'm saying he won't be able to reverse it. Considering he ran on "Make America Great Again", he's going to preside over its decline. The only policies he's put forward will make it worse.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
Now he's our strong arm bully throwing his weight around for us.
Built a gold skyscraper with his name on it among other things.
It's leadership of people that want to build golf courses.
Great! Trot them out next election.
He's doing the opposite of abdicate. There's a new Sheriff in town.
I've got my own strong leader right here thank you.
Alate_One
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He's looking to remove himself from the Paris climate agreement and potentially leave or damage the UN. That's abdicating leadership.
You've given the country a Demagogue, not a "strong leader".
Nonsense. Liberal propaganda is something that only sheepy minds could consider to be anything more than rank crap. Every Hillary ad I saw reminded me of how simple society is.
ClimateSanity
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One man's strong leader is the next man's demagogue. It all depends on your values. To trump, the UN is an evil institution. I don't believe he against an institution where global issues are discussed; he just wants it to uphold the values he believes are right.
Alate_One
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Trump has values? :idunno:
ClimateSanity
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Yes, he does. There exist values outside of the progressive paradigm .
Alate_One
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I note you didn't articulate any of them.
ClimateSanity
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It would probably be easier to discuss an issue involving trump that was not negative and I could intuit what I feel the values he has that drive his choices in the matter.
I feel one of his values is the virtue of hard work; especially the kind that is manual and back breaking and involves little intellectual prowess.
I'm not saying he upholds it spectacularly but that he values that greatly over other virtues in people.
ClimateSanity
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And despite his womanizing ways and objectification of women, I believe he values the nuclear family and greatly admires families with many children and a closeness that extends beyond the nuclear. I'm not saying he practices it well; I'm saying he values it for a society more than many other possible values.
Alate_One
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I think he believes people that are rich are naturally better than other people. Not that they work harder.
Alate_One
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Since you readily admit he doesn't practice it, do you have evidence for your assertion?
ClimateSanity
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AlateOne says " I think he believes people that are rich are naturally better than other people. Not that they work harder."
That's his huge ego that helped him get where he is today.
I think he has grown since then. I would be surprised if really still believed that from the bottom of his heart.
Another thing to remember:. He has always enjoyed being flamboyant and making extravagant claims to draw attention to himself. He may never have actually believed it if you got him in a psychologist office.
That's his huge ego that helped him get where he is today.
I think he has grown since then. I would be surprised if really still believed that from the bottom of his heart.
Another thing to remember:. He has always enjoyed being flamboyant and making extravagant claims to draw attention to himself. He may never have actually believed it if you got him in a psychologist office.