All wisdom comes from the Spirit of Wisdom.
I have the Spirit of Wisdom without measure.
And I am older than 2000 years.
The Word Made Flesh
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All wisdom comes from the Spirit of Wisdom.
I have the Spirit of Wisdom without measure.
And I am older than 2000 years.
Aletheiophile
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....Okay. I'm done.
What have you done?
Aletheiophile
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Idiom for: done with this discussion. Peace out.
There are many spirits that have entered into your world
that existed long before they entered into your world by a woman's womb.
If you cannot believe this simple truth then how can you believe
Jesus existed before He came to your world?
Do you really believe that Jesus is the only one to ever do this?
that existed long before they entered into your world by a woman's womb.
If you cannot believe this simple truth then how can you believe
Jesus existed before He came to your world?
Do you really believe that Jesus is the only one to ever do this?
keypurr
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Do you understand that Christ still has a God over him?
keypurr
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I disagree.
Christ is a spirit and he was created.
Heb 1:3
Jesus was born but Christ was not.
I have already proved on this thread
that life cannot be created.
It can only be reproduced from it's origin.
Which is God.
Therefore no Spirit or spirit is created.
It is reproduced from it's origin which is God.
God is Spirit.
God did not create Himself.
If God is within you
then would you not have
the power and authority of God
within you?
keypurr
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You only proved it to yourself friend.
The Father created his son and was pleased that it had his fullness.
alwight
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You reminded me of the poster The Word aka Brad, is that you?
If so, iirc you thought that your flesh would soon be killed as Jesus' was.
Perhaps things haven't gone entirely to plan? :think:
If not, my bad.
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...d-this-forum&p=2440699&viewfull=1#post2440699
Cross Reference
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First you have to decide if what I wrote is an accurate assessment. I believe it is.
I will probably say too much in going further but, perhaps this will help in generating some fresh thoughts:
Note: #1 Both Adam and Jesus came from hand of God. Both were innocent purposed to be made Holy. Jesus was not God but had the Spirit of God: *“Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped or retained, But [the Word that Moses saw per Ex 33:20-23 KJV] stripped Himself [of all privileges and rightful dignity], so as to assume the guise of a servant (slave), in that He became like men and was born a human being, withheld nothing from Him of His Father’s power indwelling Him until the cross when it was withdrawn for Him to be able to descend into the grave for setting the captives free.
#2 Death could not hold Jesus because He was without sin. At this point in time was His Father’s Spirit free to re-enter the life of the human Jesus to raise Him up to His new Glorified state. *Php 2:6-7 (AMP)
Now, because the new birth from above made possible by His resurrection, add all that to this:
“But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Romans 8:11 (KJV)
By that fact, I believe we can conclude if we are born again the only difference between Jesus and us is we were born in sin that innocence evaporated soon after infancy due to several factors we might discuss later whereas His didn’'t but went on by the nurturing of the Holy Ghost unto perfection in the Father. The humanly vulnerable Jesus was given to protect His ‘Birth’ right Him against the wiles of Satan. The new born of Him is given the very same responsibility. cf John 17:1ff
Both Adam and Jesus came from the hand of God. Both were innocent purposed to be made Holy. Both were “made” Spiritual ‘babies’ to be brought along into ‘sonship’ and further along unto ‘fatherhood’ in the Godhead. Only by the living out of both lives, both human and divine, would God the Father’s heart’s desire of having “many sons brought unto glory” be realized.
Thus I hope we can see His sinless conception to be the only way for entrance into Adam’s race for man's redemption. A sinless being had come into Adam's race without divinity but subjected to it and from the outside was it the only way. Everything else Jesus did could have been done by, and many times was done by, anyone God chose. [that might have been part of the reason for Moses and Elijah’s conversation with Jesus on the Mount that day]. Paul worked all this out by his life for our understanding. He was an extension of Jesus and performed in the ways of God Jesus could never have done in a world that would not have received Him except for what they could get out it. cf John 6:1ff. Such is the action of a corrupted human nature Paul was given to ‘*witness’ to of God..
*martyrdom
You just blew it.
now I understand that you are playing game.
so much for your mysterious questions.
Cross Reference
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What took you so long?
I gave him the benefit of the doubt as I always do to everyone.
Aletheiophile
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Eek. I'm glad I asked for more. Now I understand what you were trying to say. That's Hegelian Kenoticism, which states that Christ emptied Himself of divinity but was filled with the Holy Spirit. That's not what kenao means in that passage. I've left churches that preach that. Not a fan. Definitely not a fan.
Cross Reference
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Thanks! I didn't know I was a Heg-what? Keno, who?
Sorry for your unfortunate experience by rejecting a perspective only to embrace another that still leaves you with an opinion that is incomplete. I have enjoyed mine because it has allowed me to connect some dots having to do with the mystery Paul speaks of. BTW, are you a Pentecostal?
The Word did empty Himself to become a human, the son of God in the legal sense and the son of man in the eternal sense. That is why Christ is a title given to Him. Notice that the Word isn't isn't coming again in clouds of glory nor is the son of God. Why not ask yourself why the son of man is? Why did God give the son of man a name higher than any name in heaven, even higher than His own. Why wasn't it written of Jesus that while upon Earth He was never addressed as being:
". . . . Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father [of Eternity], Prince of Peace."
Isaiah 9:6 (AMP) but now is, Hmmm?
Now, what part of it ALL do you think I have incorrectly thought through when speaking of Jesus Christ without the need for Greek or Hebrew language skills?
Aletheiophile
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NO. Definitely not pentecostal. Reformed.
...That's the problem. Without evaluating the Greek text, people get to weird doctrinal conclusions like this. That is the point of church leadership -- to teach the oracles of truth, and to do all of that hard legwork for the laypeople. But church leadership over the past few centuries have gone astray into shades of heresy. It's horrendous.
So no, I cannot answer your question without referencing Hebrew and Greek for the simple reason that I know what I know by the biblical languages. My time in scripture is at least 51% spent studying the words etymologically before evaluating it in context. That is how I know scripture. How could I reference it by any other means?
For a non-scriptural example, I like foreign film/music. And I remember quotes and verses in the foreign language. It leaves a different impression on my mind, the one intended by the writer/artist in that language. I can translate my understanding from that language, but I cannot give you an English-only perspective. I am incapable, because the original foreign language understanding is already engraved into my perception.
If I am not "allowed" to access the Greek, there is no need to further this discussion.