The Vicarious Life and Death of Christ for the Believer

glorydaz

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There is only one law. It is God's law. It is one unit, not two units.

The Holy Spirit is the Christians teacher, not the law, John 15:26.

You are like an old Pharisee trying to be justified by the law. Paul said, "By the deeds of the law NO FLESH SHALL BE JUSTIFIED" Romans 3:20.

Paul also said, "By the law is the knowledge of sin" Romans 3:20.

Instead of trying to keep the law you should be running under the umbrella of grace.

Wasn't Jesus in the "flesh" when he kept the Law?
 

God's Truth

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There is only one law. It is God's law. It is one unit, not two units.

There were purification works of the law you cannot get around it.

The Holy Spirit is the Christians teacher, not the law, John 15:26.
You can't nullify scripture with scripture. Paul says all scripture for teaching and training.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
You are like an old Pharisee trying to be justified by the law. Paul said, "By the deeds of the law NO FLESH SHALL BE JUSTIFIED" Romans 3:20.

Old Law justification= circumcision, special diet, various external washings, animal sacrifices.

New Testament justification= faith that Jesus' blood washes away the sins you repent of doing.


You don't have to justify yourself with the purification works but you still have to obey God.

Paul also said, "By the law is the knowledge of sin" Romans 3:20.

Instead of trying to keep the law you should be running under the umbrella of grace.

There is no such grace as believe and don't obey.

Jesus is the Lord over Jews and Gentiles; and, he didn't give two opposing gospels.
Jesus is not divided.
 

Robert Pate

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There were purification works of the law you cannot get around it.


You can't nullify scripture with scripture. Paul says all scripture for teaching and training.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


Old Law justification= circumcision, special diet, various external washings, animal sacrifices.

New Testament justification= faith that Jesus' blood washes away the sins you repent of doing.


You don't have to justify yourself with the purification works but you still have to obey God.



There is no such grace as believe and don't obey.

Jesus is the Lord over Jews and Gentiles; and, he didn't give two opposing gospels.
Jesus is not divided.


Salvation is being delivered from the law, Romans 7:6.
 

Robert Pate

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This obedience.

Philippians 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

We are saved by the life, death and the resurrection of Jesus. Not just his death.
 

Robert Pate

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Not being "under" the law, and its jurisdiction/judgment, and the Holy Spirit being our guide, "teacher," to understand the law, does not mean that the Holy Spirit "replaces" the law, demon, and that the law no longer exists, has been destroyed, has been made void, has been abolished, as you satanically assert, devil child. That is a false dichotomy, from hell, and means that the standard of right/wrong, is subjective, and everyone is saved, according to you, you demonic moron, obsessed one, wolf, in sheep's clothing.

Pate: The Holy Spirit teaches us to understand, an objective law, that does not exist.


Moron.

It's also called subjectivity.


You would make a good Pharisee.
 

john w

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You would make a good Pharisee.

That's your best volley, admitted child of the devil, hater of the LORD God's holy, just good, spiritual law, and asserter that righteous comes from a law, that no longer exists, as you down another glass of Jack Demon? Your daddy devil is going to chastise you, take you to that hot woodshed.
 

john w

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We are saved by the life, death and the resurrection of Jesus. Not just his death.

We are justified by the resurrected life of the Lord Jesus Christ, not his life on earth, keeping the law, being imputed to us, as you spam/assert, as your "vicarious law keeping" is a doctrine of demons, whose source is the pits of hell.
 

Robert Pate

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We are justified by the resurrected life of the Lord Jesus Christ, not his life on earth, keeping the law, being imputed to us, as you spam/assert, as your "vicarious law keeping" is a doctrine of demons, whose source is the pits of hell.


All that Jesus was and all that Jesus did was for our justification and our salvation. When God accepted Jesus into heaven we were accepted in him. We indeed have a wonderful savior. We are complete in him, Colossians 2:10.
 

john w

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All that Jesus was and all that Jesus did was for our justification and our salvation. When God accepted Jesus into heaven we were accepted in him. We indeed have a wonderful savior. We are complete in him, Colossians 2:10.

Spam. No, not "all," you moron-not His law keeping, to be imputed to us, for justification, as you satanically assert, and not His water baptism, which you assert justifies people, closet "Church of Christ" deceiver.
 

Robert Pate

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Spam. No, not "all," you moron-not His law keeping, to be imputed to us, for justification, as you satanically assert, and not His water baptism, which you assert justifies people, closet "Church of Christ" deceiver.

All that Jesus is and all that Jesus did was for our justification and our salvation.

I don't go to the Church of Christ. I don't go to any church.

When Jesus was baptized we were baptized with him. Our humanity was constituted in him.

In Jesus Christ I have been justified, sanctified, and redeemed, 1 Corinthians 1:30.
 

john w

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All that Jesus is and all that Jesus did was for our justification and our salvation.
Spam. No, not "all," you moron-not His law keeping, to be imputed to us, for justification, as you satanically assert, and not His water baptism, which you assert justifies people, closet "Church of Christ" deceiver.
I don't go to the Church of Christ. I don't go to any church.

You are a church of Christ member, as you assert that the Lord Jesus Christ's water baptism, one of the righteous req's of the law, is imputed to believers.

On record.


When Jesus was baptized we were baptized with him. Our humanity was constituted in him.


Members of the boc are dry baptized, moron, by the Holy Spirit, not water baptized.


You assert that the Lord Jesus Christ's water baptism, one of the righteous req's of the law, is imputed to believers, for justification. .

In Jesus Christ I have been justified, sanctified, and redeemed, 1 Corinthians 1:30.

Quite irrelevant to your satanic vicarious law keeping assertion, including water baptism regeneration, as a basis for justification.
 

glorydaz

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We are saved by the life, death and the resurrection of Jesus. Not just his death.

Reconciled by His death and MUCH MORE shall be saved by His life.

Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.​


Which life comes after death? Look at the order there, Robert.
 

Robert Pate

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Reconciled by His death and MUCH MORE shall be saved by His life.

Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.​


Which life comes after death? Look at the order there, Robert.


Our humanity was constituted in Jesus Christ.

"If any man be "IN CHRIST" he is a new creation: old things have passed away; behold all things have become new" 2 Corinthians 5:17.

We are new creations in Jesus Christ. When Jesus came out of Joseph's new tomb, our new humanity came out with him.

In Jesus Christ sin, death and the devil have been destroyed, we are complete in him, Colossians 2:10.
 

Robert Pate

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Spam. No, not "all," you moron-not His law keeping, to be imputed to us, for justification, as you satanically assert, and not His water baptism, which you assert justifies people, closet "Church of Christ" deceiver.


You are a church of Christ member, as you assert that the Lord Jesus Christ's water baptism, one of the righteous req's of the law, is imputed to believers.

On record.





Members of the boc are dry baptized, moron, by the Holy Spirit, not water baptized.


You assert that the Lord Jesus Christ's water baptism, one of the righteous req's of the law, is imputed to believers, for justification. .



Quite irrelevant to your satanic vicarious law keeping assertion, including water baptism regeneration, as a basis for justification.

All that Jesus was and did was for my justification and my salvation. To not believe that means that you are lost.
 

glorydaz

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Our humanity was constituted in Jesus Christ.

"If any man be "IN CHRIST" he is a new creation: old things have passed away; behold all things have become new" 2 Corinthians 5:17.

We are new creations in Jesus Christ. When Jesus came out of Joseph's new tomb, our new humanity came out with him.

In Jesus Christ sin, death and the devil have been destroyed, we are complete in him, Colossians 2:10.

Well, we're talking about what was nailed to the cross....that which was against us.

It wasn't the law, but our sins. We were not created IN HIM until we were saved by grace through faith, and were quickened together with Him.

All men are reconciled by His death...only those who have faith in His blood are saved by His LIFE. We are saved when we are quickened by the preaching of the Gospel.

Col. 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;​

Eph. 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:​
 

john w

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Well, we're talking about what was nailed to the cross....that which was against us.

It wasn't the law, but our sins.

Cigar time-the sin debt, the "IOU," the charges, the certificate of indebtedness, not the law, was against us, and was nailed to the cross..

You/I/others, have shown him that, but the devil tells him, due to pride, per Isaiah 14 ff, not to admit it, to deny, spam.
 

john w

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All that Jesus was and did was for my justification and my salvation. To not believe that means that you are lost.

On record, as the engager of sophistry, deceit, asserts that the Saviour's water baptism, keeping the law, the Saviour' sleeping, the Saviour's eating, the Saviour's weeping, walking on water,............................................justifies us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You moron, satanic pawn. Get off this site, devil child, poser, wolf, Church of Christ member, Catholic.
 

john w

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Why do you keep making such grand pronouncements?

For example....You weren't justified by His death....it's faith that justifies.

We are reconciled by His death, saved by His resurrected life, but this fraud just makes things up,on the fly, makes up biblical "terms," in an utter careless disregard for the details of the book, in lackadaisically slop, spam, as he just hates studying the book, but merely spams internet satanic "doctrine," he read on GOOG,or on a church SOF, and would not know the difference between Adam, "the last Adam," which he terms "the new Adam," also made up, and Adam Ant.
 
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