The very sad and unfortunate predicament of traditional Christians.

[Gurucam]

The very sad and unfortunate predicament of traditional Christians.

The sad predicament of the people who the Lord Jesus sought to help is that they failed to recognize and truly honor him. Indeed they crucified him.

Fact is the Lord Jesus did not come to establish a new or old 'religion'. He came to offer the path to spiritual awakening. He came to establish a spiritual tradition. The Lord Jesus sough to bring these people (who he came among) up to par with those in already existing, old indigenous spiritual traditions whose time has now come onto earth.

God had promised a Spirit to Abraham and his seed. This is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Lord Jesus. God at no time promised a physical, 'seen' and temporal son of man Lord Jesus.

The Lord Jesus sought to help these unfortunate spiritually dead people of that time. He sought 2000 odd years ago, to give them the tools for a fighting change in an earth that was moving to the fullness of time and its accompanying spiritual age (which is now at hand).

For trying to established this Spiritual tradition which is the basis of authentic Christianity, the Lord was totally derailed, undermined-ed, denied, persecuted and blasphemed by the spiritual dead (led by Peter & Co.) whiles he was physically here and for the ensuing 2000 odd years.

Peter was Satan and he, his descendants and associated churches boldly practiced Satanism and anti-Christianity . . . while falsely passing it off as Christianity. They fooled and deceived the masses (billions) who came seeking authentic Christianity. Indeed many were call and the very great majority were misled by false prophets. They therefore err and were not chosen.

The fullness of time is at hand and the high cost of this deception is also at hand. Very soon there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Now too late will be the cry.

read more in post # 2 which follows

 

[Gurucam]

continued from post # 1 above.

Peter's Satanic act:

Satanic Peter totally derailed, undermined-ed, denied, persecuted and blasphemed the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Lord Jesus (which is the basis of Paul's commission). And totally replaced him with the physical, 'seen' and temporal son of man Lord Jesus which is the commission for the spiritually dead (this commission was indeed rendered onto Peter).

Peter's commission was solely for the dead who would inevitably bury their counterpart, the dead. Peter's commission was not and is not the Christian tradition. Peter was given to simply practice his commission and leave Paul to separately and independently practice his commission.

Fact is Paul was given to practice both commission (his and Peter's on different kinds of people). However Peter was not at all given to practice Paul's commission (which was spirit based). This offended Peter who being the 'unawares', sought to and did, derail, undermine, deny, persecute, blaspheme and relegate Paul's commission.

Peter was most definitely, not given to derail, undermine, deny, persecute and blaspheme the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Lord Jesus (which is the basis of Paul's commission). However this is exactly what Peter and his descendants did totally and perpetually for all of the past 2000 odd years.

this continues on post # 3 which follows

 

[Gurucam]

this is a continuation of post # 2 above

Very early on, the Satanic ideas of Peter set the basis for all traditional Christianity.

This resulted in the very great majority of people in the billions strong traditional Christianity remained totally misled, deceived and denied about the spiritual tradition of the Lord Jesus. They remained with only the physical side of the Lord's teachings. These were and are no real improvement on the already existing failed Mosaic system. They therefore, remained spiritually dead and totally not prepared for the now ensuing spiritual age on earth.

These spiritually dead people are the very great majority of people (all but a few) of those who were called to Christianity. They were grossly misled by Peter & Co. and their all pervading influence on tradition Christianity every where.

The spiritual tradition of the Lord Jesus was intended to prepare and save those people in this newly dawned spiritual age. This is the essential fabric of the commission that was rendered onto Paul some 2000 odd years ago.

This was intended to add a parallel spiritual tradition to run side by side with the Old Mosaic religious (physically oriented) system. This parallel spiritual tradition was exemplified by Paul and also rendered onto only Paul. The Old Mosaic religious system was simply re-hatched and rendered onto Peter.

this continues on the next post # 4

 

[Gurucam]

this is a continuation of post # 3 above

Peter was duly identified to be Satan, by the Lord Jesus. However the masses did not recognize this truth from the Lord Jesus. Peter, as Satan, went on to totally deny, undermine, persecute, blaspheme and relegate Paul's spirit and Spirit based commission, from the earliest of days . . . and then through his descendants for all of the past 2000 odd years.

Therefore the billion who came to rely on the Lord Jesus were totally denied the appropriate and adequate preparation. They continued to be totally unprepared for this newly dawned spiritual age.

For all of the past 2000 odd years the very great majority of those called to 'Christianity' have remained as spiritually dead as the masses in the Mosaic tradition of 2000 odd years ago. The Lord Jesus profited them absolutely nothing.

The reality on earth has changed to a spiritual age, under a new alignment of planets and other heavenly bodies. This marks the fullness of time. Now the very great majority of those called to 'Christianity are still spiritually dead and totally unprepared and incapable of continuing to live on earth.

this post continues in post # 7

 

[keypurr]

Thank you, your post is most interesting.
Not many understand the spiritual things in scripture.

 

[Tambora]

God at no time promised a physical, 'seen' and temporal son of man Lord Jesus.

John 7 KJV
(42) Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?


Acts 2 KJV
(30) Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

 

[Gurucam]

Judgment day is at hand. Those who have esteem traditional Christianity have remained unprepared for the new spiritual age. They were and continue to be, the dead who were buried by their dead counterparts (i.e. Peter & Co. and like others). Now they will be collectively teleported out of earth and into a parallel dark (spiritually dead) world/dimension where they can continue to be loyal to Satan Peter and their 'entangled' Satanic reality.

Since 2008 I have been on this forum teaching truth and reiterating the path to spiritual awakening and spiritual guidance according to teaching of the Lord Jesus as committed onto Paul and clearly and literally recorded in the KJV N.T. I expected only a few to see the light.

Are there any few people, who have come onto truth in these last days, out there in this forum?

 

[glorydaz]

John 7 KJV
(42) Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?


Acts 2 KJV
(30) Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

Made quick work of those claims, didn't ya? :thumb:

 

[Tambora]

Made quick of those claims, didn't ya? :thumb:

Easy peasy!

 

[Gurucam]

John 7 KJV
(42) Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?


Acts 2 KJV
(30) Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

That may all be so however:

The physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Lord Jesus was and is, not at all consequential. He could be blasphemed and one would be forgiven. Jesus walked on earth in this format.

Only the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God Lord Jesus is absolutely consequential. Jesus was raised to spirit heaven in this 'Spirit only' format.

Jesus' physical presence on earth was temporary and essentially to confirm His existence as the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God Lord Jesus. In this Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God format, the Lord resides only in spirit heaven.

In this 'Spirit only' format the Lord Jesus is the pure Son of the Holy Ghost. He is entitled to all things due to the Holy Ghost. He is 'seated' on the right side of the Holy Ghost. There he is ready willing and able to make intercession on behalf of each human with the Holy Ghost. This is the Spirit that was promised to Abraham and his seed by God.

Fact is, Paul did not only blaspheme the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Lord Jesus. He also blasphemed the church (i.e. Peter's church) which the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Lord Jesus established.

Paul was not only forgiven, he also achieved spirit to Spirit communion with the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God Lord Jesus. At that time Paul was also given Jesus spirit based Christian commission, by the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God Lord Jesus. Paul was not only forgiven, he was glorified and rewarded.

Blasphemy of the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Lord Jesus and the church (i.e. Peter's church) which the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Lord Jesus established is a right of passage. This testifies to the lost of spiritual unawareness and the rise of one's spiritual awareness. This earns one the right to totally and completely drop Peter and his church and be privy to Jesus' spirit based Christian commission which was committed onto only Paul.

Matthews: 12 KJV N.T.
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Fact is everyone must achieve and go through this right of passage like Paul in order to be Christian. Paul is our example.

One who has not gone through this right of passage cannot be relevant in the current spiritual age on earth. In fact one cannot live on earth at this time. Such a one is destine to be teleported out of earth's surface and into another dimension which is conformed to his 'spiritually dead' entanglement.

 

[Gurucam]

Thank you, your post is most interesting.
Not many understand the spiritual things in scripture.

Thank you kindly.

 

[Gurucam]

Tambora,

What indeed is the following conveying:
Acts 2 KJV
(30) Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

The message is that God had sworn an oath that the Lord Jesus would be brought forth to earth in a physical body that was provided through the lineage of David.

However the Lord Jesus would become a Christian (i.e. one in Christ) and rise to be like an angel in heaven and sit on his throne which is in spirit heaven.

The essence of this is anchored in the promise of the Spirit that was made to Abraham and his seed. This Spirit is the Lord Jesus, risen in His Spirit body and seated on his throne in spirit heaven.

1 Corinthians 15 KJV N.T.
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Therefore Jesus had two presentations
1.) he was the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Lord Jesus and
2.) he is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God Lord Jesus

As it turned the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Lord Jesus is not consequential. This was simply a necessary passage that the Lord Jesus had to take in order to establish the real promise.

The real prize and promise was and is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God Lord Jesus who is seated on his throne in spirit heaven.

However some people could not look to things that are 'not seen' and eternal (they were 'the dead'). Instead they foolishly and erroneously took the Lord Jesus in his physical format to be the big deal or the big promise. They were 'the dead' and the Lord simply 'let them be'. He instructed, 'let the dead bury their dead'.

To argue that God promise a physical Lord Jesus is intellectual or lettered discernment which totally killeth the essential message.

Fact is what God oath-ed to David was that one of his descendants will become a Christian (the first Christian from among those people) and he will eventually rise to spirit heaven to be like an angel in heaven, seated on his throne, on the right side of God.

This is the Spirit that was promised by God to Abraham and his seed. This is the Lord Jesus, clad only in his Spirit 'not seen' and eternal Son of God format.

This idea of rising to spirit heaven after death was new thing for those people. This required one to be 'in Christ'. In order for this event to happen, David's descendant could contribute only the egg. The sperm had to come for a more divine source (i.e. one from outside the lineage of David or anyone else among those people).

This child was to be and is the first person from among them (at that part of the world) to actually be brought forth to earth, from spirit heaven and to rise to spirit heaven after death. The lineage of David was given the promise to be first to have this event.

Therefore what do you think was the actual promise made to David.

 

[way 2 go]

Only the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God Lord Jesus is absolutely consequential. Jesus was raised to spirit heaven in this 'Spirit only' format.

Luk_24:39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have."

 

[Buzzword]

Whole lotta words, no sources.

Especially words devoted to the outdated Gnostic philosophy of "flesh = bad, spirit = good," which parallels the current traditional church's fixation on Plato's "forms" as inherently superior to any real set of beliefs or doctrines...even though no one can agree on the details of the "form" called "Christianity," so we just keep fighting about it.

 

[Lon]

Fact is the Lord Jesus did not come to establish a new or old 'religion'. He came to offer the path to spiritual awakening. He came to establish a spiritual tradition. The Lord Jesus sough to bring these people (who he came among) up to par with those in already existing, old indigenous spiritual traditions whose time has now come onto earth.

:nono:
Isaiah 43:19

Matthew 7:23

Hebrews 8:11

 

[Gurucam]

Luk_24:39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have."

Acts: 1 KJV N.T.
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

Exactly. Thank you. That was not the body in which the Lord went to heaven. That was simply the body in which he rose up to a cloud and beyond the physical sight of those people.

It was made very clear that the Lord was raised in a spiritual body. It was also clearly confirmed that the Lord had two bodies, one natural or physical and the other spiritual or spirit (see quote below).

The Lord also had and still has, willful, miraculous and arbitrary control and command of both bodies (separately and jointly).

Luke: 24 verse:39 KJV N.T. is simply confirming that the Lord Jesus miraculously recreated His physical body to appease 'spiritually dead' "doubting Thomas-es", like Peter & all those others.

The Lord is quite capable of recreating his old physical body at will. After the Lord went to heaven, in only his spirit body, he returned and recreated his old physical body fro the benifit of spiritually dead' "doubting Thomas-es", like Peter & all those others.

This was only theatrics. This was done to demonstrate the concept of going to heaven after death. This was done by the Lord to aid those people because they were 'the dead' (i.e. the spiritually dead) and therefore could not witness the real event which was purely spiritual.

These people were spiritually dead. Therefore they could not look to things that are 'not seen' and eternal (like Lord Jesus clad only in His Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God' body).

Therefore the Lord miraculously recreated his old physical body and also made up a physically discernible theatrical presentation of the actual event. In this presentation the Lord rose in his physical body, only into a cloud beyond the physical sight of all those spiritually dead people.

Spiritually dead people, like Peter & Co. etc., would certainly erroneously believe that the Lord rose to heaven in a physical body. However they cannot sell that idea to spiritually aware people. However they were able to sell that idea to billions (of their own 'spiritually dead' kind). This is how they (the dead) was able to bury their own kind (the dead).

Fact is the Lord Jesus went to spirit heaven clad only in His Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God' body. This is clearly confirmed in:

The following was said in reply to the question, in what body did the Lord rise?

1 Corinthians 15 KJV N.T.
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

 

[fishrovmen]

Acts 7:55

 

[bybee]

this is a continuation of post # 3 above

Peter was duly identified to be Satan, by the Lord Jesus. However the masses did not recognize this truth from the Lord Jesus. Peter, as Satan, went on to totally deny, undermine, persecute, blaspheme and relegate Paul's spirit and Spirit based commission, from the earliest of days . . . and then through his descendants for all of the past 2000 odd years.

Therefore the billion who came to rely on the Lord Jesus were totally denied the appropriate and adequate preparation. They continued to be totally unprepared for this newly dawned spiritual age.

For all of the past 2000 odd years the very great majority of those called to 'Christianity' have remained as spiritually dead as the masses in the Mosaic tradition of 2000 odd years ago. The Lord Jesus profited them absolutely nothing.

The reality on earth has changed to a spiritual age, under a new alignment of planets and other heavenly bodies. This marks the fullness of time. Now the very great majority of those called to 'Christianity are still spiritually dead and totally unprepared and incapable of continuing to live on earth.

this post continues in post # 7

Your point could have been made in a far less wordy posting.

 

[Gurucam]

Among the spiritually aware, (leaving out the Lord) after Moses was Paul.

Among the spiritually aware, (leaving out the Lord) after Moses was Paul.

Acts 7 KJV N.T.
55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

Moses was not like the disciples and those others.

Indeed Moses was spiritually awaken, spiritually aware and did posses the necessary Gift of the Spirit. This was the gift that Moses got in the mountain.

Then he was able to look steadfastly (i.e. with one pointed focused medication) into heaven (i.e. he was able to look inward, into God's kingdom of heaven that is within his own heart.). That is, when he looked to things that are 'not seen' and eternal.

This enabled Moses to see the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God in God's kingdom of heaven, in spirit heaven . . . which is within his own heart.

God's kingdom of heaven is not outside in or above clouds. God's kingdom of heaven is within one's heart or spirit. This is the 'not seen' quantum field that is within 'seen', gross physical matter. God is now enabling quantum physicists to validate the spirit realm that is within 'seen' physicality.

Act: 7 KJV N.T.
48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with [size=+1]hands[/size]; as saith the prophet,
49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

Billions of people who are called to Christianity (but not yet chosen) are a lost and 'foolish clique' who believe that God's kingdom of heaven is without (outside) in or beyond the clouds. They continue to look only to things that are 'seen' (physical) and temporal. They do not look to things that are 'not seen' (spirit or quantum) and eternal.

Luke: 17 KJV N.T.
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

This is the curse on the disciples:

Luke: 17 KJV N.T.
22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.

 

[Gurucam]

modern quantum physics and the words in the KJV N.T. converging.

modern quantum physics and the words in the KJV N.T. converging.

Luke: 17 KJV N.T.
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

The above phenomenon is proven, known and described in Quantum Physics as: 'teleportation' to different 'parallel dimensions' through 'black hole portals', according to 'entanglement', in the fullness of time.

Each black hole portal is entangled with:
1.) the dimension which they open too
2.) the people or entity who opens the portal black hole and
3.) all similarly entangled people, things and circumstances who or which the portal black hole will suck in and teleported into a different dimension.

A black holes is an opening to a different dimension. The specific black hole, the people or entity who opens the black hole, the dimension which the specific black hole opens and the people, things and circumstances which they will 'suck in', to this different dimension are all similarly entangled.

Up to very recently the earth was in a dark, none spiritual age. Recently (seem to be end of Sept. 2015) the earth came into a new age which is anchored in spirit. This is the dawn of the Age of Aquarius and the close of the Age of Pisces on earth. The New Age of Aquarius is anchored on spirituality. The Old Age of Pisces was anchored in physicality. Now all spiritually dead people, their ideas, beliefs, interests, needs desires, aspiration, other things and circumstances cannot be held on earth. They are now totally foreign to the dominating reality on earth. They have become aliens. These spiritually dead people must be and will be teleported out of earth's surface. They will be teleported out, through a black hole portal, to another parallel dimension. This parallel dimension is entangled with their (continuing) spiritual dead-ness. This is the fullness of time event described in Luke: 17 verses 34 to 36 KJV N.T. (quoted above) and in other KJV N.T. revelations.

Does this have to be made clearer?

The Pope and other similarly entangled 'spiritually dead' world leaders of the Old, know this very clearly. They know and recognize this astrological transformation which has now taken hold of earth.

Now, in a last defiant ditch effort they are running around like crazy ants. They are trying, in vain, to restore their relevance and dominance on earth. They are in a sad time warp, a back in times, time warp. They are all going to be teleported out of here and into a different dimension. This dimension is a "Satanic, spiritually unaware" dimension that is totally in line with their continuing "Satanic, spiritually unaware" entanglement. It is biddy bye-bye for them and all their kind.

This time around there is no 'Noah's ark for them. They are going underground. The Sun will now set, permanently on their empires on earth and also in the under world, their new home. Don't rush to join them. Remember 'angels fear to thread where fools rush in'.

. . . continued in next post # 21, bellow.