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Rosenritter

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High Cherub V said:
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The togas and white beard with bald head is reminiscent of Zeus. Nice Triangle Hat.
 
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Rosenritter

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JudgeRightly said:
I've probably already replied to this post, but if I haven't...:



What? Who says that we "have God over a barrel"? NO, God willingly gave us the gift of salvation through His Son, Jesus.



Of course not. Nor is that what I said or implied.



Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may obtain it.And everyone who competes for the prize is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a perishable crown, but we for an imperishable crown.Therefore I run thus: not with uncertainty. Thus I fight: not as one who beats the air.But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified. - 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Corinthians9:24-27&version=NKJV

Paul here is talking about striving for a crown or prize, such as for winning a race, not for salvation.

https://www.gotquestions.org/casting-crowns.html
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The allusion is made to a race with a corruptible prize, that which we strive for is an incorruptible prize. The prize of this race is immortality, eternal life, and salvation. These are not separable from each other.
 
1Mind1Spirit

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Rosenritter said:
Can you please clarify which of those answers a) or b) you are choosing in relation to whether the angels of God were present, when God completed the creation of the earth, and then said, "Let us make man in our image?"
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This was not Jesus or God speaking to Angels.

Epistle of Barnabas

Chapter 5

1For to this end the Lord endured to deliver His flesh unto corruption, that by the remission of sins we might be cleansed, which cleansing is through the blood of His sprinkling.

2For the scripture concerning Him containeth some things relating to Israel, and some things relating to us. And it speaketh thus; He was wounded for your transgressions, and He hath been bruised for our sins; by His stripes we were healed. As a sheep He was led to slaughter, as a lamb is dumb before his shearer.

3We ought therefore to be very thankful unto the Lord, for that He both revealed unto us the past, and made us wise in the present, and as regards the future we are not without understanding.

4Now the scripture saith; Not unjustly is the net spread for the birds. He meaneth this that a man shall justly perish, who having the knowledge of the way of righteousness forceth himself into the way of darkness.

5There is yet this also, my brethren; if the Lord endured to suffer for our souls, though He was Lord of the whole world, unto whom God said from the foundation of the world, Let us make man after our image and likeness, how then did He endure to suffer at the hand of men?


It's better to read this epistle for more understanding than what I'm using it here for.

It just happens to also help you see clearer on who was being spoken to and by whom.
 
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popsthebuilder

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Rosenritter said:
I am not sure why you suggest a link between "being appointed" and "eternally being."

I think I understand your response to suggest that "begotten" must be understood in the sense as physical men beget children. However, I think you would agree that this is not a literal "begetting" but must necessarily be metaphor. Earlier, you said "Can you say metaphor?"

Likewise, let's consider the concept of image. Again, whether an image is synonymous with the original depends on context. Consider for a moment:

1) The "image" of yourself in the mirror,
2) The "image" of a computer system,
3) The "image" of that which was beforehand withheld and invisible

The Unitarian insists that definition 1) is the only applicable meaning, as if this were to be applied to God as if he had the same physical constraints as we do. NWL, our resident Jehovah's Witness, makes this argument. But this argument only works if one is willing to constrain God the the same limits as you or I, this may hold.

So let's consider other possibilities. When one makes an image of a computer, the image is exactly the same as the original. They are interchangeable, without any differences, and cannot be told apart. This is because the thing being "imaged" is information, rather than physical matter. Is God physical matter? Or is God information? We are told that God is Spirit.

When the Word of God appears, being the very image of God, whereas before God was hidden and invisible, speaking to us only by prophets, now the Son of God, whom we are told is his very image, does certainly sound like the real thing. The invisible, made visible, revealed to us in a form we can perceive.

Too easy, friend.
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Good post and point.

The issue lies in the fact that your refutation is in itself based on the work of man's hands.

A simulation or computer image is a thing made by man, and yes, it can be wholly replicated and too intact in entirety. But we aren't talking about the constructs of man.

Surely there where no computers when scripture was written.

So; with that in mind, let us consider an image.

It is made by its artist.

Though it can me an exact image of a thing, it is merely a representation of that thing, and not in actuality the fullness of said object or subject matter, but a two dimensional representation or expression of a real three dimensional thing.

Tell me; which is most holy; the Temple, or substance within it?

Again very good point; and I love the tit for tat tactic; very golden rule of you.

peace friend.


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popsthebuilder

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Rosenritter said:
In the parable of the wedding feast, who gives the invitations, and who sustains the invitations? What happened to the ones who were called in but would not come? Did he make those to come to the feast who would not?

Do you remember what happened to the guest who did come, but would not put on the wedding garments?



In the parable of the prodigal son, what would have happened to the son who had already claimed his inheritance, if he had not returned? The parable says that he would have died from hunger. The joy of the son returning itself demonstrates that there was very real danger and consequence had he not returned.
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Outstanding

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popsthebuilder

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Rosenritter said:
Heb 1:3
(3) Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

God (verse 1) is a person.
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The image of GOD is a person.

What else would it be?

That is an image though.

I must comment on your seeming absolute lack of bias on this issue and your not fleeing from one side or another.

It is commendable. May we all learn from your own example.

Think this not flattery, buy a mere observation by a feeble ignorant man.

peace

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popsthebuilder

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Rosenritter said:
The togas and white beard with bald head is reminiscent of Zeus. Nice Triangle Hat.
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Aren't you just a wealth of information.

So would you consider that a form of idol worship?

What about the extravagance and images made by the hands of man that can me found in many "churches"?

Just curious.

Don't feel obligated to answer, please.

Sincerely

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popsthebuilder said:
The image of GOD is a person.

What else would it be?

That is an image though.

I must comment on your seeming absolute lack of bias on this issue and your not fleeing from one side or another.

It is commendable. May we all learn from your own example.

Think this not flattery, buy a mere observation by a feeble ignorant man.

peace

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Wondering, do you believe we all have a spirit, our own spirit that looks exactly like us, and it lives on after the death of our physical body? Well we do, and God the Father is Spirit and looks like something, a someone...

Do you have any idea what I am talking about?
 
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Rosenritter said:
I hardly rely on GT for this, but that's how I've understood the incarnation for a long time. Not exactly if we are using technical terms, but God the Father (invisible in the heavens) who created all things, came to this earth and we called him Jesus.
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You put me down to answer a question, and you call yourself a person of God?

And then someone else gives you a 'thanks' for it.

Neither one of you are right.
 
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popsthebuilder said:
Psalm: 139. 1. O LORD, thou hast searched me, and known me. 2. Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, thou understandest my thought afar off. 3. Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways. 4. For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O LORD, thou knowest it altogether. 5. Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid thine hand upon me. 6. Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it. 7. Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? 8. If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. 9. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; 10. Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. 11. If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me. 12. Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee. 13. For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb. 14. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. 15. My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. 16. Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them. 17. How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them! 18. If I should count them, they are more in number than the sand: when I awake, I am still with thee. 19. Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men. 20. For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain. 21. Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? 22. I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies. 23. Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: 24. And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

I couldn't hate you if I had to gt; make no mistake.

I had just posted those texts a few minutes ago elsewhere, but they seemed quite pertinent, given your own words.

peace dear friend,

May our differences only bring us yet closer to the Will of GOD in our own life through humble, edifying, profitable, conversation between siblings.

and again;

peace with the utmost sincerity.


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I wouldn't give someone a 'thanks' who spoke against you.
 
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JudgeRightly said:
Incorrect, and I never said that.

GT, do you have the capacity to answer a single question?

Do you think everything Jesus said should be obeyed? Or are there some things that He said that were not meant for some people?
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You said you never said that, then prove me wrong. Tell me exactly what we should obey that Jesus taught while he walked the earth.
 
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1Mind1Spirit said:
from pop's post above that you quoted...


13. For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.

14. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
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Oh so you were saying you think I am possessed by God?
 
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