The Trinity

[popsthebuilder]

You said, "According to your conclusion; the congregation equals god."

You make up things and say I said it. You try to make me sound ludicrous.

Show where I said the congregation equals god.

If Jesus in his flesh body as He walked the earth was the fullness of GOD, then the congregation of the faithful to GOD, which are now the body of Christ, would equate to the fullness of GOD too.

Quite vain wouldn't you say?

 

[God's Truth]

If Jesus in his flesh body as He walked the earth was the fullness of GOD, then the congregation of the faithful to GOD, which are now the body of Christ, would equate to the fullness of GOD too.

Quite vain wouldn't you say?

The saved are part of his body in heaven. I don't get how you think that makes us God.

 

[marhig]

Only in your confused mind did that happen.

You must be having me mixed up with marhigs beliefs.

The saved's blood does not take away the sins of the world.

How would you get get that I say the saved are God?

Answer that now or admit you are a false accuser.

Jesus' body is God's body in the flesh.

Hang on s minute! Please don't twist things and yet again include me in your posts that have nothing to do with me and twisting my beliefs! You seem to be getting into the habit of doing that! You are like a twisting weed in the garden that pops up all of a sudden without seeing it appear, ready to attack what's planted in the garden, and you have to keep your eye out for it and pull it or before it chokes the plants or covers them!

I have never said that the blood of Christ does not take away the sins of the world, not once. I believe in the blood of Christ, how many times to I have to tell you this before you stop twisting what I say. I just don't see it as you do. So please stop making things up about me.

 

[marhig]

We are not in the express image of God....nor did we come out from God, nor did we come down from heaven....nor did we create all things. What lengths and depths you folks won't go to in order to deny our Lord God and Saviour. :nono:

Coming out from God and being in his express image doesn't make Jesus God, an express image of something isn't the actual thing, it's an image of the actual thing.

Jesus was in the express image of God, because there was no sin in him, so we saw God fully through him. We are in the image of Christ once we are put to death by the Spirit and walk in him, and live by the will of God. The more we are willing to lay down our lives and turn from this world, the stronger we become in the Spirit, and as the lusts of the flesh start dying, the life of Christ increases in our hearts and we become more like him as our hearts are changed by the power of the Holy Spirit.

 

[marhig]

As I explained in my post, it's a description of the nature of God....the Deity. Jesus, Himself, referred to the three persons. (They are distinct and ONE GOD). That is the Deity...the Godhead. I gave you a few verses. Why don't you chew on those for awhile.

I've read those verses and nowhere can I see they Godhead means trinity.

 

[glorydaz]

Coming out from God and being in his express image doesn't make Jesus God, an express image of something isn't the actual thing, it's an image of the actual thing.

Jesus was in the express image of God, because there was no sin in him, so we saw God fully through him. We are in the image of Christ once we are put to death by the Spirit and walk in him, and live by the will of God. The more we are willing to lay down our lives and turn from this world, the stronger we become in the Spirit, and as the lusts of the flesh start dying, the life of Christ increases in our hearts and we become more like him as our hearts are changed by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Quite the bunch of religious mumbo jumbo you got going on there. :chew:

 

[glorydaz]

I've read those verses and nowhere can I see they Godhead means trinity.

Of course not....you're blinded by your own light.

 

[God's Truth]

Hang on s minute! Please don't twist things and yet again include me in your posts that have nothing to do with me and twisting my beliefs! You seem to be getting into the habit of doing that! You are like a twisting weed in the garden that pops up all of a sudden without seeing it appear, ready to attack what's planted in the garden, and you have to keep your eye out for it and pull it or before it chokes the plants or covers them!

I have never said that the blood of Christ does not take away the sins of the world, not once. I believe in the blood of Christ, how many times to I have to tell you this before you stop twisting what I say. I just don't see it as you do. So please stop making things up about me.

I don't do any such thing. You go against people who say his shed blood on the cross saves. You say not his death his life.

You say Jesus isn't God and that the Spirit of God was in him as it is in us.

I explained to you that our blood doesn't take away the sins of the world.

You were comparing Jesus having the Holy Spirit to our having the Holy Spirit.

 

[marhig]

Quite the bunch of religious mumbo jumbo you got going on there. :chew:

Ok, but it's not religious mumbo jumbo is the truth!

 

[marhig]

Of course not....you're blinded by your own light.

I'm blinded? How on earth do you get godhead to mean trinity?

 

[marhig]

I don't do any such thing. You go against people who say say his shed blood on the cross saves. You say not his death his life.

Nope, I have never said that the shed blood of Jesus doesn't save, I've told you over and over that I believe in the shed blood of Christ Jesus, but I don't see it as you do, and I don't believe that the living God needs to come from heaven to be a human sacrifice at the hands of wicked men to save us from his own wrath!

It says in the bible that God sent Christ Jesus to do his will, and Jesus did that and denied himself, totally denying his own will to please the father, he was a living sacrifice, never blemished by sin, sent to preach the gospel and live by it, and bring us a new and living way. Baring witness to the truth and being an example for us to follow. And those who believe on him are saved through faith, by the grace of God. By his life.

Jesus shed his blood every day and poured out his life to save us and those who truly believe in him will listen to him and obey his teachings and obey the living God and live by his will. His sheep hear his voice and follow him. Denying themselves taking up their cross, and they partake of the sufferings of Christ and live by the will of God following Jesus and baring witness to the truth through him by the power of the Spirit.

And yes I do say its not his death but his life that saves. That bit is the truth. Death doesn't save, only live saves and that life is in Jesus. His words are Spirit and they are life!

 

[Rosenritter]

See The Doctrine of the Trinity/ Christianity's Self-Inflicted Wound by Anthony Buzzard & Charles Hunting, 1998, pp. 137-139.

Not Anthony Buzzard again...

 

[Rosenritter]

Coming out from God and being in his express image doesn't make Jesus God, an express image of something isn't the actual thing, it's an image of the actual thing.

Jesus was in the express image of God, because there was no sin in him, so we saw God fully through him. We are in the image of Christ once we are put to death by the Spirit and walk in him, and live by the will of God. The more we are willing to lay down our lives and turn from this world, the stronger we become in the Spirit, and as the lusts of the flesh start dying, the life of Christ increases in our hearts and we become more like him as our hearts are changed by the power of the Holy Spirit.

If I were to call you using an online video chat service like Skype, would you be seeing me? Or beholding my express image? But who would you say was speaking to you?

 

[popsthebuilder]

I have already explained it in depth, but you didn't care about it.

I will post it again.

There were those who disobeyed and died before Jesus came to earth, though they were dead their spirits went to a prison, unlike the spirits of the righteous.

After Jesus was crucified, he preached to those who were dead, he preached to the spirits in prison, the spirits of those who had died and disobeyed long ago (see 1 Peter 3:18-19).

Those people who disobeyed and died before learning of Jesus...Jesus preached the gospel to them, so that they might be judged according to men in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit (1 Peter 4:5-6).

For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring us to God, even those who lived and died before Jesus.

Jesus came to earth and taught those on earth. Then Jesus descended to the spirits in prison to preach to them, to those who disobeyed long ago. Jesus then ascended higher than all the heavens. Jesus filled the whole universe (see Ephesians 4:10).

These scriptures show we have living, thinking spirits that live on after the death of the body. Some spirits go with those who disobey, and spirits of the righteous live in heaven. These scriptures show that our spirits live on, and how Jesus filled the whole universe.

Thank you for the detailed response. I will have to look into the scripture you referenced and see if it is readily discerned like you say, and if Christ preaching to the literally dead in hell could indeed lead to a conclusion that the dead must be alive in spirit and conscious of there previous life while in hell. I am very tired now, and wouldn't be able to devote the needed attention now at this time, but I will look into it with an opened mind.

Thanks again

 

[marhig]

If I were to call you using an online video chat service like Skype, would you be seeing me? Or beholding my express image?

If you look at clouds in a puddle is that the image or the actual cloud?

We see God in Jesus because Jesus didn't live to please himself and he didn't sin, so we saw the express image of God through him.

The computer isn't me, it shows the image of me, the words of me but it isn't me. The computer doesn't think like me or speak like me it only speaks and shows what I give it to speak and show. The computer isn't me.

 

[God's Truth]

Thank you for the detailed response. I will have to look into the scripture you referenced and see if it is readily discerned like you say, and if Christ preaching to the literally dead in hell could indeed lead to a conclusion that the dead must be alive in spirit and conscious of there previous life while in hell. I am very tired now, and wouldn't be able to devote the needed attention now at this time, but I will look into it with an opened mind.

Thanks again

Thank you. I am glad that you will consider it carefully.

 

[popsthebuilder]

My salvation is not contingent on whether I forgive others or not, and you only prove you don't understand the great divide between law and grace. It's good that you have let everyone see that you are stuck on the wrong side of the cross. The school bell is ringing....shoo. :wave:

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:​

My salvation isn't contingent on the trinity doctrine, though you act like it is.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Those who have the love of God shed abroad on their hearts have been delivered from the law of commandments. And you should be glad of it. Otherwise, you would be a murderer if you even called someone a fool. Perhaps you need to study up on John's letters.

Love is not something a man can be commanded to have. That's the problem with the law. We are given commandments but where is the "power" to keep them? It is, after all, why Christ came.

Notice also how John is speaking of how we can know.....and "if a man say"? John's letters are very interesting, but you can't mix them with the gospel of Grace just like you can't mix oil and water.

So you actually think when Jesus told us to obey two commands that He was lying about that being the love for GOD, or is love for GOD not needed for salvation to you?

 

[God's Truth]

Nope, I have never said that the shed blood of Jesus doesn't save, I've told you over and over that I believe in the shed blood of Christ Jesus, but I don't see it as you do, and I don't believe that the living God needs to come from heaven to be a human sacrifice at the hands of wicked men to save us from his own wrath!
It says in the bible that God sent Christ Jesus to do his will, and Jesus did that and denied himself, totally denying his own will to please the father, he was a living sacrifice, never blemished by sin, sent to preach the gospel and live by it, and bring us a new and living way. Baring witness to the truth and being an example for us to follow. And those who believe on him are saved through faith, by the grace of God. By his life.

Jesus shed his blood every day and poured out his life to save us and those who truly believe in him will listen to him and obey his teachings and obey the living God and live by his will. His sheep hear his voice and follow him. Denying themselves taking up their cross, and they partake of the sufferings of Christ and live by the will of God following Jesus and baring witness to the truth through him by the power of the Spirit.

And yes I do say its not his death but his life that saves.

Just listen to that. You just got through slandering me in this thread claiming I do things that I do not. You claim I twist your words. You are the word twister.

You are the twisting weed that you accused me of being.

 

[keypurr]

The man made doctrine you are swallowing is called a CULT. And your preacher seems to be Keypurr.

You understand the attempt by the enemy is to put our Lord and Saviour in a little box, don't you? He is more than Christ, more than the Son of God, more than an image or Spirit image, more than the Creator, more than the Redeemer, and yet He is also man. You're so worried about the doctrine of men that you don't even look to the Bible. Why is that, I wonder? :chew:

You do not have a clue who Jesus Christ really is glorydaz. It is you who is misled to swallow the traditions of men.

Consider him to be the right arm of God. A perfect reflection of the Father. The express image of God. Be advised that God is not and never was a man.

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