ECT the Sixth Hour in John 19:14.

[0scar]

WRONG
the chronology goes like this:
6th hours Jesús at the Gabatha on trial by Pilate
some time later tan the 6th hour (afternoon) Pilate sentence Jesús
some time before 3rd hour Jesús is taken to the Golgotha
3rd hour Jesús on the cross
6th hour darkes
9th hour Jesús die
just before 12th hour Jesús taken from the cross to the sepulcre

the above is Jew time. follows Roman time

6th hours Jesús at the Gabatha on trial by Pilate
some time later tan the 6th hour (afternoon) Pilate sentence Jesús
some time before 3rd hour Jesús is taken to the Golgotha
3rd hour Jesús on the cross
6th hour darkes
9th hour Jesús die
just before 12th hour Jesús taken from the cross to the sepulcre

 

[0scar]

and modern time

12h hours Jesús at the Gabatha on trial by Pilate
some time later than the 12h (afternoon) Pilate sentence Jesús
some time before 09h hour Jesús is taken to the Golgotha
09h hour Jesús on the cross
12h hour darkes
15h hour Jesús die
just before 18h hour Jesús taken from the cross to the sepulcre

 

[Arsenios]

I never fingerpoint a person.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Oscar, you accuse everyone!

A.

 

[IMJerusha]

I would like to do that.

Would you say Roman time is different from Hebrew or Jewish time in any way? Even historically?

Yes.

 

[Arsenios]

Yes.

The following comes from
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/secondary/SMIGRA*/Hora.html

HORA (ὢρα), in the signification of hour, that is, the 12th part of the natural day, did not come into general use among the ancients until about the middle of the second century B.C. The equinoctial hours, though known to astronomers, were not used in the affairs of common life till towards the end of the fourth century of the Christian era. As the division of the natural day into twelve equal parts, both in summer and winter, rendered the duration of the hours longer or shorter according to the different seasons of the year, it is not easy, with accuracy, to compare or reduce the hours of the ancients to our equinoctial hours. The hours of an ancient day would only coincide with the hours of our day at the two equinoxes. [Dies and Horologium]. As the duration of the natural day, moreover, depends on the polar altitude of a place, our natural days would not coincide with the natural days in Italy or Greece. Ideler, in his Handbuch der Chronologie, has given the following approximate duration of the natural days at Rome, in the year 45 B.C., which was the first after the new regulation of the calendar by J. Caesar; the length of the days is only marked at the eight principal points in the apparent course of the sun.
Days of the year, 45 B.C.

Summer-Solstice.
Roman Hours - Modern Hours.

1st hour - 4 o'clock, 27 minutes 0 seconds

2d hour - 5 o'clock, 42 minutes 30 seconds

3rd hour - 6 o'clock, 58 minutes 0 seconds

4th hour - 8 o'clock, 13 minutes 30 seconds

5th hour - 9 o'clock, 29 minutes 0 seconds

6th hour - 10 o'clock, 44 minutes 30 seconds

7th hour - 12 o'clock, 0 minutes 0 seconds

8th hour - 1 o'clock, 15 minutes 30 seconds

9th hour - 2 o'clock, 31 minutes 0 seconds

10th hour - 3 o'clock, 46 minutes 30 seconds

11th hour - 5 o'clock, 2 minutes 0 seconds

12th hour - 6 o'clock, 17 minutes 30 seconds

End of the day - 7 o'clock, 33 minutes 0 seconds

It seems to show the 6th hour occurring at 10:45 AM...

The Jews condemned Christ in the night [when else?] of the Preparation of the Passover, and in the dawning of the end of that night they took Him to Pilate to have Him crucified, also on the day of Preparation for the Passover the 14th... And Pilate obliged them... Christ was tried by the Jews in the night of the Preparation for the Feast, was condemned and crucified by Pilate the following morning of the same day, and buried in the Sepulchre cave before sunset of that day, which sunset then began the day of the Feast of Pascha...

It was necessary that this be true, because Christ IS the Passover Lamb, and these events were all preparations for the Feast the following day, and the Day of Preparation is the day that Christ was Prepared for the Feast...

John 19:14
And it was the [Day of the] Preparation of the Passover,
and about the sixth hour:
and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

Arsenios

 

[0scar]

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Oscar, you accuse everyone!

A.

are you acusing me?

 

[0scar]

Would you say Roman time is different from Hebrew or Jewish time in any way? Even historically?[

QUOTE=IMJerusha;4132898]Yes.[/QUOTE]

isnt the sixhth hour, noon, in roman time?

 

[0scar]

The following comes from
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/secondary/SMIGRA*/Hora.html


6th hour - 10 o'clock, 44 minutes 30 seconds

7th hour - 12 o'clock, 0 minutes 0 seconds

THANKS

That is exactly what I have been saying all the time: in the time of Passover (equinox, not summer solstice) the sixth hour goes from 1100 to 1200 noon. The third hour goes from 0800 to 0900.

6th hours Jesús at the Gabatha on trial by Pilate
some time later tan the 6th hour (afternoon) Pilate sentence Jesús
some time before 3rd hour Jesús is taken to the Golgotha
3rd hour Jesús on the cross
6th hour darkes
9th hour Jesús die
just before 12th hour Jesús taken from the cross to the sepulcre

 

[0scar]

The Jews condemned Christ in the night [when else?] of the Preparation of the Passover, and in the dawning of the end of that night they took Him to Pilate to have Him crucified, also on the day of Preparation for the Passover the 14th... And Pilate obliged them... Christ was tried by the Jews in the night of the Preparation for the Feast, was condemned and crucified by Pilate the following morning of the same day, and buried in the Sepulchre cave before sunset of that day, which sunset then began the day of the Feast of Pascha...

It was necessary that this be true, because Christ IS the Passover Lamb, and these events were all preparations for the Feast the following day, and the Day of Preparation is the day that Christ was Prepared for the Feast...

John 19:14
And it was the [Day of the] Preparation of the Passover,
and about the sixth hour:
and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

Arsenios

Jesús ended the 14th free and alive. http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104521
And you are not explaining how he was at noon at the gabathe being crucified at 9am

 

[Arsenios]

are you acusing me?

Of course!

Are you escusing you?

A.

 

[0scar]

Of course!

Are you escusing you?

A.

You are telling us, and did provide evidence, that the romans has the same hours as everybody else in the I Century. You have back up the acusation that all those lieing about roman hours are liers.
Thanks.

Jesús at Gabatha at noon and after
Jesús crucified 9am or before

 

[Arsenios]

Jesús ended the 14th free and alive. http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104521

John 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the (Day of) Preparation, (in order) that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on The Sabbath Day, (for that Sabbath Day was an High Day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away...

This verse shows that Christ was dead and buried PRIOR TO the onset of the High Day Sabbath that began the Passover that year...

And you are not explaining how he was at noon at the gabathe being crucified at 9am

It is a minor quibble... "It was about the sixth hour" can easily also mean it was not yet the sixth hour - ωσ and ωσει, and John put that in there to indicate that he was not denoting precise time...

You seem to be trying to turn your little ant-hill into some kind of Himalayan Mountain Range... The two variants mean "AS the sixth hour, or AS IF the sixth hour... We know that the sun darkened for three hours AT the 6th hour, so this must mean PRIOR TO in strict temporal terms, and may easily have other, more personal and theological meanings as well...

ωσ and ωσει both clearly denote a metaphorical usage of the term 6th Hour...

And you are turning them into the Gonging of the Great Bells of Big Ben in London Square...

Nobody had watches, you know...

Back then...

Arsenios

 

[Jacob]

WRONG
the chronology goes like this:
6th hours Jesús at the Gabatha on trial by Pilate
some time later tan the 6th hour (afternoon) Pilate sentence Jesús
some time before 3rd hour Jesús is taken to the Golgotha
3rd hour Jesús on the cross
6th hour darkes
9th hour Jesús die
just before 12th hour Jesús taken from the cross to the sepulcre

We should look at what the different gospel accounts say, particularly about the ninth hour and the hours that precede that.

 

[Jacob]

Yes.

Okay.

 

[0scar]

It is a minor quibble... "It was about the sixth hour" can easily also mean it was not yet the sixth hour - ωσ and ωσει, and John put that in there to indicate that he was not denoting precise time...

You seem to be trying to turn your little ant-hill into some kind of Himalayan Mountain Range... The two variants mean "AS the sixth hour, or AS IF the sixth hour... We know that the sun darkened for three hours AT the 6th hour, so this must mean PRIOR TO in strict temporal terms, and may easily have other, more personal and theological meanings as well...

ωσ and ωσει both clearly denote a metaphorical usage of the term 6th Hour...

And you are turning them into the Gonging of the Great Bells of Big Ben in London Square...

Nobody had watches, you know...

Back then...

Arsenios

John says that it was the sixth hour. That means that it was the sixth hour. Our interpretatian must be that it was the sixth hour. There is no reason to make an Everest... it was the sixth hours; period. The sixth hour.

And the sixth hour is noon. Period. It was noon.

 

[0scar]

We should look at what the different gospel accounts say, particularly about the ninth hour and the hours that precede that.

do it.

 

[Arsenios]

You are telling us, and did provide evidence, that the romans has the same hours as everybody else in the I Century. You have back up the acusation that all those lieing about roman hours are liers.
Thanks.

Jesús at Gabatha at noon and after
Jesús crucified 9am or before

I just quoted an article where its author says the 6th hour could be 10:45AM, when you said it was NOON... Are you accusing everyone of being "liers"???

How can 10:45 = 12:00??

And how can "AS IF the sixth hour" mean "exactly noon"??

HMMMmmmmm???

Arsenios

 

[0scar]

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104521

 

[0scar]

I just quoted an article where its author says the 6th hour could be 10:45AM, when you said it was NOON... Are you accusing everyone of being "liers"???

How can 10:45 = 12:00??

And how can "AS IF the sixth hour" mean "exactly noon"??

HMMMmmmmm???

Arsenios

DESEAVER!

in the equinox, the sixth hour goes from 1100 to 1200.

Jesús were at the Gabbathe between 1100 and 1200, and continue to be there for a good while
Jesús was already crucified between 0800 and 0900 and arrived to the golgotha before.

 

[Arsenios]

John says that it was the sixth hour. That means that it was the sixth hour. Our interpretatian must be that it was the sixth hour. There is no reason to make an Everest... it was the sixth hours; period. The sixth hour.

And the sixth hour is noon. Period. It was noon.

Good!

Thank-you!

Your argument now is not with me...

It is with Holy Writ...

John does NOT say it was the 6th Hour...

He says it was AS or AS IF the 6th hour...

For that, you can argue with John...

Arsenios