The sabbath that Adam observed was not a commandment.
Proving it can be kept by someone who is not under a law.
Adam didn't even know he was observing it.
You made that up.
God did not say, "rest or die", as the Israelites were told. Adam was given only one commandment and it was not "observe the sabbath", it was "don't eat of this tree"
When someone imitates God, who did rest on the seventh day according to scripture, why would that person need a commandment telling him to rest on the Sabbath? The point of the commandment is to constrain those who would violate Sabbath.
It's the same with any commandment in the Decalogue. Do you need a law telling you to not murder your brother because if there was no law you would murder your brother? If so, then you are still under the law. If you no longer have the heart of a murderer, then you are not under that law, not subject to it, because your heart is above the idea of breaking it.
Observing the sabbath will accomplish nothing for Jew or gentile.
Then you are implicitly arguing that God made the sabbath for man to accomplish nothing for man. You are becoming more irrational with every post.
Paul didn't even mention it when convincing us that all have sinned in Romans 1-3, why would I use it to convince someone they are deserving of judgment?
If Paul is the author of Hebrews, he certainly did mention the Sabbath: See Hebrews 4:3-10.
Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
The context is clearly the seventh day of the week.
I esteem all days alike. The bible says that is ok. It also says "let no man judge you in regard to any holy day" but here you are judging anyway.
I am judging your poor argument that contradicts many scriptures and common sense as being increasingly irrational. Where have I judged you regarding your not keeping the sabbath? Below I will show you judging me for keeping the sabbath, hypocrite.
My point was that if you claim the day is still sanctified and holy, if you treat it as common you are not treating it as holy. By your admission, you are treating what is holy as common. You given some lame reasons for doing that, but it doesn't change the fact proven by your own words--
you are treating what is holy as common.
I esteem all days alike. That is my choice.
Can you choose to murder, commit idolatry, commit adultery, and covet all you want, too?
You are observing days, months years etc, I do not frustrate the Grace of God.
There you are judging me, hypocrite. And I'm not observing days, month, years, etc. Paul wasn't writing to the Galatians about the seveth day sabbath; that's only your faulty assumption.
Tell me, what is the first mention of the word "sabbath" in Scripture and what is the context? Who is he speaking to, and what is the instruction?
You do that. I have given you ample evidence for my position.
Doormat said:
Have you ever benefited from remembering, and resting on, the seventh day sabbath?
So God did not make the sabbath for Choleric. Is that correct? Because if he made it for you, too, then logically you should have realized a benefit from it.
Doormat said:
We don't agree because there is a law to observe it as surely as there is a law against idolatry, murder, adultery, covetousness. The ten commandments are just as valid today against law breakers as they were thousands of years ago. The day is still sanctified. There remains a sabbath rest.
You are mistaken. First, you have already conceded the day is still sanctified, so... Second, Hebrews 4:3-10 proves there remains a sabbath rest for the people of God. Third, the Decalogue is still in operation, proven by Paul's words, e.g. 1 Corinthians 6:9,10. Therefore, it is evident that I have not made it up.
Doormat said:
Is your position that it was not a perpetual covenant with Israel, contrary to the scriptures? Because that is what I perceive you are implying. Clarify your position in light of the perpetual covenant, the future sabbaths of Isaiah 66:23, and Paul calling the sabbath a shadow of things to come (future tense).
perpetual covenant with who? Oh, Israel, yes. Not the church.
Look, you have essentially claimed Israel
today doesn't have to keep the sabbath commandment. Now you concede it's a perpetual covenant. So does Israel have to keep the sabbath commandment of not? If not, then how is it a perpetual covenant, and why is it mentioned regarding the future, and why were almost all Christians keeping the seventh day sabbath in the fourth and fifth centuries according to two church historians of the era?
JEsus cursed the fig tree as a prophetic judgment on Israel. Jesus also spoke of the fig tree as a future prophecy of His second coming:
Regardless, Paul was referring to Jeremiah 11:16 when he taught Gentiles were grafted onto the Olive Tree (Israel/Christ). You completely ignored my point to make absolutely no point. Find all the symbols of Israel in the Bible if you want, but it will not change the fact that Paul was referring Jeremiah 11:16 and that Israel was/is a type of Christ for the world.
You are attempting to make an end run around the fact that I am dead to the law.
Nope. And I don't believe at this point you even understand what it means to be dead to the law. Paul claimed to "serve the law of God" with his mind, so maybe it's you that need the refresher on Romans 7.
THe 10 commandments are not for me or any other Christian who has died with Christ. No matter how hard you try to wrest the SCriptures to attempt to put the Body back under bondage, it is not going to change the fact that the Church is not under the law of commandments.
Now you accuse me again of something I'm not doing.
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
the "handwriting" is the 10 commandments which God wrote on tablets of stone. That would include all 10, not just 9.
You are mistaken. Colossians 2:14 is about the Mosaic ordinances. That's dealing with unintentional transgression, e.g. Leviticus 15:30. It is not about the Decalogue. Paul taught Christians to keep the Decalogue, e.g. Ephesians 6:2.