Abraham, Job, King David, Jonah, Isaiah, all of the Old Testament prophets and patriarchs.
You must be spiritually blind not to see that.
The Reception of the Holy Spirit
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Abraham, Job, King David, Jonah, Isaiah, all of the Old Testament prophets and patriarchs.
You must be spiritually blind not to see that.
God's Truth
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YOU must be spiritually blind to say that those men were saved and did not obey.
You bring up Abraham. This is what the scriptures say about the obedience of Abraham:
Genesis 26:4-5 I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws."
You bring up Job as one who did not obey:
Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
You bring up David as one who did not obey:
1 Kings 15:5 For David had done what was right in the eyes of the LORD and had not failed to keep any of the LORD's commands all the days of his life--except in the case of Uriah the Hittite.
You bring up Jonah as one who did not obey:
Jonah was saved by the fish throwing him up after Jonah prayed and fasted, and even Nineveh was saved after praying and fasting. How did you ever think you could prove me wrong from preaching obedience to Christ?
Don't you know what Isaiah says about sin, confession, and redemption?
I can hardly believe that you preach no one can obey God until after they are saved. You are badly mistaken not knowing God or the scriptures.
beloved57
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It doesnt matter, Jesus is the way, Jn 14:6.
God's Truth
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It does matter, because Jesus says to do what he the Way says.
beloved57
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Jesus way is that He makes those He died for righteous by His Obedience Rom 5:19 ! You deny this and want to get to God your way so you can boast ! Its all about you, not Christ !
popsthebuilder
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If Jesus is the WAY. Then why are you following Calvinism?
beloved57
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Evasive question. You deny that them Christ died for are made righteous by His obedience unto death alone Rom 5:19 !
beloved57
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U don't follow Him if you deny that His Death alone saved/made Righteous them He lived and died for Rom 5:19!
beloved57
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Christ obeyed and made righteous the many Rom 5:19!
popsthebuilder
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I follow the teachings, example, and self sacrifice of the Christ and believe in every bit of it. I also believe in the resurrection, and the second coming. Real belief is effectual and it has effected me to the utmost. So how do I not follow the Christ exactly?
I understand the Christ to be the way to GOD and I don't make His self sacrifice or teachings in vain by not changing or not believing and following.
You say I don't follow the Christ because I don't think he completed what He was tasked with. But please...justify your claim. By striving to keep the commands of GOD in remembrance and allowing these things to affect the direction of my own actions is not following the Christ how?
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If you believed Romans 5:19 then you would have to believe Romans 5:18 that says, "The free gift came upon ALL MEN unto justification of life" You nit pick the Bible to try and prove your false doctrine. We are all on to you and your deceptive ways.
There is only one way to receive the Holy Spirit and that is by hearing and believing the Gospel of Jesus Christ, Galatians 3:2 also Romans 10:17.
Calvinist don't believe that. They believe that they are zapped with the Holy Spirit, but they don't know when or how.
Catholics believe that those who do good works receive the Holy Spirit, but again they don't know when or how.
Paul makes it clear that the Holy Spirit is given to those who believe the Gospel.
"Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law (because you did something) or by the hearing of faith?" (hearing and believing the Gospel) Galatians 3:2.
On the day of Pentecost Peter preached the Gospel and 8000 Jews heard and believed the Gospel and received the Holy Spirit, Acts 2:38.
Calvinist don't believe that. They believe that they are zapped with the Holy Spirit, but they don't know when or how.
Catholics believe that those who do good works receive the Holy Spirit, but again they don't know when or how.
Paul makes it clear that the Holy Spirit is given to those who believe the Gospel.
"Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law (because you did something) or by the hearing of faith?" (hearing and believing the Gospel) Galatians 3:2.
On the day of Pentecost Peter preached the Gospel and 8000 Jews heard and believed the Gospel and received the Holy Spirit, Acts 2:38.
Did John who baptized Jesus hear and believe the gospel of Jesus Christ before receiving the Holy Spirit?
John the Baptist was like an Old Testament prophet. He believed God and had faith in God's promise of a savior. He was justified by faith.
John was chosen by God to introduce Jesus to the world, Matthew 3:1-17.
Actually, John had the Holy Spirit from birth.
Luke 1:15-16 For he will be great in the sight of the Lord and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink. He will also be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb. And he will turn many of the children of Israel to the Lord their God.
Right, Now tell me something that I don't know.
You said, "There is only one way to receive the Holy Spirit and that is by hearing and believing the Gospel of Jesus Christ."
That's not true is it?
If you are chosen by God to be a prophet then you are probably born with the holy Spirit like John.
Do you believe there were prophets before John?
Or do you believe there is only one way to receive the Holy Spirit and that is by hearing and believing the Gospel of Jesus Christ?