The "QAnon" Fraud!

annabenedetti

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Raised. Although my practice is lacking, my belief isn't.

I read the article. In support it references Quadragesimo Anno, which speaks of navigating between the rocks of individualism and collectivism, but notably, it does draw a distinction between kinds and degrees of socialism. I'm reminded of Pope John Paul II wagging his finger at Fr. Cardenal in Nicaragua over his liberation theology and alliance with the Sandinistas (not surprising considering the history of Poland post WWII), and yet Pope Frances lifted the canonical sanctions on him prior to Fr. Cardenal's death (also not surprising considering the history of Argentina). Some members of societies which are strongly individualistic (The U.S.) have a strong suspicion of collectivism because when they think of collectivism they think of communism, disregarding thousands of years of social culture in countries which are strongly collectivist. Understanding that socialism isn't communism nor the slippery slope to communism is key.

He chucked the moon hoax out the window years ago. 9/11 inside job as well, I think. Rogan and Alex Jones were friends back in the '90s before anyone hardly knew who either of them were. Rogan takes an unbiased view of Jones, and I have heard Rogan call him out where appropriate.

I personally haven't heard Rogan make racist or sexist comments, although I haven't listened to everything he's ever said.

There are a lot of quotes out there, they're pretty damning even if you didn't hear them yourself.
 

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Understanding that socialism isn't communism nor the slippery slope to communism is key.

Some links and quotes of interest:

"Vatican underlines support of universal health care coverage" -- https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2019/01/...care-coverage/

CCC: The Church has rejected the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated in modem times with "communism" or "socialism." She has likewise refused to accept, in the practice of "capitalism," individualism and the absolute primacy of the law of the marketplace over human labor. Regulating the economy solely by centralized planning perverts the basis of social bonds; regulating it solely by the law of the marketplace fails social justice, for "there are many human needs which cannot be satisfied by the market." Reasonable regulation of the marketplace and economic initiatives, in keeping with a just hierarchy of values and a view to the common good, is to be commended. -- http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a7.htm#2424

Nordic model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model

Social democracy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
 

annabenedetti

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Regulating the economy solely by centralized planning perverts the basis of social bonds; regulating it solely by the law of the marketplace fails social justice, for "there are many human needs which cannot be satisfied by the market." Reasonable regulation of the marketplace and economic initiatives, in keeping with a just hierarchy of values and a view to the common good, is to be commended.

Are you familiar with the principle of subsidiarity?
 

annabenedetti

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No, that's a new one on me.

It's mentioned in Q.A., here's a pretty good blog post on it, although I'm unfamiliar with the author:

https://catholicmoraltheology.com/su...wo-sided-coin/
Participation at all levels is crucial for both subsidiarity and solidarity. A distinctive element of Catholic social is that the community and the government have a responsibility to actively promote the necessary conditions to support those families. (Something I have written about elsewhere regarding Caregiving and Catholic Social Thought). It is not enough to intervene in drastic conditions of abuse; the government has a responsibility to create the necessary conditions for human flourishing.​




I'm in agreement with that, the idea of the government actively promoting for the common good.

I'll mention here that I used to be quite active in online Catholic theological discussions in the early 2000s, as an orthodox (small o) Catholic as opposed to progressive or trads / ultra trads. Boy those could be some vicious conversations, :chuckle: the worst were the rad trads. I'm not in that place anymore, but I did cover a lot of ground in those years, for better or for worse.
 

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Here's the newest Q proof.

Back on November 1st, 2017 Q covertly mentioned someone with the initials KC (ie. 11.3) would be the 1st marker.

The Only Way is Military


Anonymous 1 Nov 2017 - 1:41:54 AM


Think about it logically.
The only way is the military. Fully controlled. Save & spread (once 11.3 verifies as 1st marker).
Biggest advanced drop on Pol.

Now look at the Q drop from 2 days ago:


17 Aug 2020 - 6:59:35 PM


[Placeholder - Indictments Tracking > Non_Civ]
[Set 1]
1. Kevin Clinesmith [KC][11.3]
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[Placeholder - Indictments Tracking > Civ]

https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/...acy-defraud-us

How did Q know?
 

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Killer Says He Murdered Reputed Mafia Boss to Protect Trump
Anthony Comello, 24, murdered alleged mob boss Frank Cali because he became convinced he was part of a deep-state conspiracy against President Trump, his lawyer alleges


When alleged
mob boss Frank Cali was brutally gunned down in Staten Island last March, people automatically assumed that it was a Mafia-related killing by a young upstart eager to advance in the Gambino crime family, or a harbinger of a coming Mafia war. That narrative was significantly complicated, however, when details emerged that Anthony Comello, the 24-year-old man accused of murdering Cali, was alleged to not have had any Mafia ties at all, but did have a relationship with Cali’s niece, of which the Mob boss apparently did not approve. Court documents filed today shed further light on Comello’s motive: that Comello may have been driven to kill Cali by his belief in QAnon, a wide-ranging conspiracy theory that alleges the existence of a deep-state conspiracy targeting President Donald Trump.

According to new court documents, Comello’s lawyer, Robert C. Gottlieb, alleges that Comello had no intention of murdering Cali when he arrived at his home in the Staten Island neighborhood of Todt Hill. Instead, he planned to arrest him, as evidenced by the fact that police found handcuffs in his car after he was taken into custody. Comello had fallen deep into the rabbit hole of internet forums speculating about the existence of a left-wing deep state conspiracy. “Mr. Comello became certain that he was enjoying the protection of President Trump himself, and that he had the president’s full support,” Mr. Gottlieb wrote. Gottlieb is hoping that this argument will convince the court that his client is not guilty by reason of mental defect, and that the court will decline to prosecute him on murder charges.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture...omello-861777/

The FBI Declared QAnon a Domestic Terrorism Threat — and Conspiracy Theorists Are Psyched
QAnon believers have had a rough summer. Trump’s July 4th rally, when many believed the late John F. Kennedy Jr. would emerge from hiding to claim his rightful role as Trump’s running mate, came and went. So did July 31st, the projected date of “declas,” or the moment when the community believed that declassified documents pointing to deep state corruption would finally be dropped. Now, in what is perhaps the ultimate example of kicking someone while they’re down, Yahoo News has published a 15-page internal memo from the FBI declaring conspiracy theories a domestic terrorism threat.

Distributed on May 30th, the memo from the bureau’s Phoenix office notes that it is the first report of its kind to take aim at “conspiracy-driven domestic terrorism,” citing a number of violent incidents the bureau believes were linked to conspiracy theories. “The FBI assesses these conspiracy theories very likely will emerge, spread, and evolve in the modern information marketplace, occasionally driving both groups and individual extremists to carry out criminal or violent acts,” the document says.

Although the memo lists a number of such theories, including Pizzagate and the conspiracy surrounding the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, it pays particular notice to QAnon, the wide-ranging (and extremely non-evidence-based) theory suggesting that Hillary Clinton and other high-ranking Democratic officials are engaged in a child sex trafficking ring, and that President Trump will one day arrest them and send them to Guantanamo Bay. QAnon followers also believe that the Mueller report was a smokescreen for Mueller and Trump’s secret investigation into the Democratic officials and other “global elites.” While originating from the smaller corners of the internet, such as anonymous message boards and sites like 4chan, the theory has since gained traction in the mainstream thanks to proponents like Roseanne Barr publicly endorsing it, as well as President Trump himself
retweeting a QAnon-related account earlier this week. (The account was subsequently suspended by Twitter.)
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture...theory-866288/
 

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Two Trump press conferences in a row with accusatorial questions regarding QAnon and now this from Fox the very next day.

We are clearly in stage 3 of the famous saying, “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win”

 

annabenedetti

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Two Trump press conferences in a row with accusatorial questions regarding QAnon and now this from Fox the very next day.

We are clearly in stage 3 of the famous saying, “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win”

People who believe in QAnon are deluded and it's disturbing to see, because it's affecting so many people. Wake up.
 

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Two Trump press conferences in a row with accusatorial questions regarding QAnon and now this from Fox the very next day.

We are clearly in stage 3 of the famous saying, “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win”


Looks like annabananabrain is in stage 3 for sure :chuckle:
 

annabenedetti

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This makes a lot of sense:

Is QAnon the Most Dangerous Conspiracy Theory of the 21st Century?
“It’s a collaborative fiction built on wild speculation that hardens into reality.”



Perhaps the best explanation I’ve heard for the movement’s popularity comes from Adrian Hon, the chief executive of the gaming company Six to Start and a designer of alternate reality games or ARGs. Unlike video games, alternate reality games aren’t played on a console — they use the world as their storytelling platform. There’s no one particular medium. The story takes place in real time and seems to exist in the world. So game designers hide clues and puzzles in websites, apps and even newspaper advertisements. It’s a bit like a networked treasure hunt that turns the world around you into a game.

For Mr. Hon, that phenomenon resembled the dynamics governing QAnon. In a viral Twitter thread and follow-up post, he argued that “QAnon pushes the same buttons that ARGs do, whether by intention or by coincidence. In both cases, ‘do your research’ leads curious onlookers to a cornucopia of brain-tingling information.”


What are some of the most striking similarities you see between alternate reality games and QAnon, besides being sprawling and complex?

Alternate reality games incorporate the internet and websites, real world interactions, advertisements in newspapers, smartphone apps, any medium we can get ahold of in order to produce the most immersive story possible. I saw the parallel with QAnon for two reasons. QAnon is a uniquely 21st century conspiracy theory. There have been others but QAnon was born on forums like 4chan and 8chan, and the way that people interact with it initially is so purely online. But the effects bleed into the real world much like an alternate reality game.

But specifically what caught my eye is that almost everyone who discovers QAnon uses a phrase like, “I did my research.” I kept hearing that and I couldn’t get it out of my head. This research is, basically, typing things into Google but when they do, they go down the rabbit hole. They open a fascinating fantasy world of secret wars and cabals and Hillary Clinton controlling things, and it offers convenient explanations for things that feel inexplicable or wrong about the world. It reminded me specifically of how people get to alternate reality games. Through these research rabbit holes.

There’s a phenomenon you mention in these games called “This is Not a Game.” Can you explain that?

“This is Not a Game” is the idea that the game is more enjoyable for players if we try and avoid to break the suspension of disbelief as much as possible. This came to the fore with a game called, The Beast. Microsoft was behind it but nobody knew for a long time in. It started with a cryptic message on a movie poster, which, if you Googled it, led you a fake blog, which led to other websites and email addresses and more. Those playing knew it wasn’t real but the design made every effort to seem like it was.

And you note that, in order to prolong the suspension of disbelief, you never admit any designer error, you just add to the story line with more complexity like it was the plan all along?

Sometimes as a designer you will change something in the game on the fly based on how people are playing it. Sometimes their instincts and suggestions add depth to the game and so you quickly rewrite. You can see that happen with QAnon. New theories and tangents appear at dead ends.

In your piece you suggest that alternate reality games “reward active discovery, the drawing of connections between clues, the delicious sensation of a hunch that pays off after hours or days of work.” How does QAnon do that?

There are a certain type of people who are attracted to alternate reality games and they are quite devoted. They like puzzle solving in the same way people like murder mysteries or crossword puzzles. As game designers we encourage that mind-set. We provide extremely difficult tasks that only 1 in 1,000 people could solve. And we do that because that one person who can solve it will feel like a hero because this weird talent they have is put to use. Alternate reality game designers like to reward its community for niche skills.

This is at play in QAnon. Many people feel alienated and left behind by the world. There’s something about QAnon like ARGs that reward and involve people for being who they are. They create a community that lets people show off their “research” skills and those people become incredibly valuable to the community.

Unlike lots of immersive games, QAnon blurs the lines between the writers/creators/players. Why is that important?

In a classical game or story you have a very distinct difference between those writing or designing and those playing. With QAnon you have this figure [Q] who has a stable identity and plants the seed frequently. But there’s just so many theories involved in the greater QAnon universe that are only tangentially related to the figure of Q. And you see this — QAnon has absorbed every other conspiracy theory. What would happen if Q stopped posting content forever? Would it die out? Maybe. But maybe not. And the reason it’s unclear is because so many people in the community have essentially built out their own theories and story lines and generated their own massive followings.

Do you think that this feeling of community makes QAnon that much more resilient?

There’s a real Darwinian process in these communities. Just tons of people with ideas and so many forums with up-voting and sharing. Nine hundred and 99 out of 1,000 theories are utterly bonkers but one might hit, maybe because it is slightly harder to disprove or a bit more compelling and it will immediately win out. It’s a collaborative fiction built on wild speculation that hardens into reality...
 

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I'm not sure when we'll get though the laughing stage, with guys like Tony Camello out there.

"Comello’s lawyer, Robert C. Gottlieb, alleges that Comello had no intention of murdering Cali when he arrived at his home in the Staten Island neighborhood of Todt Hill. Instead, he planned to arrest him, as evidenced by the fact that police found handcuffs in his car after he was taken into custody. Comello had fallen deep into the rabbit hole of internet forums speculating about the existence of a left-wing deep state conspiracy. “Mr. Comello became certain that he was enjoying the protection of President Trump himself, and that he had the president’s full support,” Mr. Gottlieb wrote."

That's beyond loony.
 

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That's beyond loony.

He may in fact be a bit mentally ill, for all I know. So there's one fewer mob bosses in the world. You won't catch me complaining about that.

However, this case does underscore the danger of a political conspiracy scam like QAnon. Rest assured that out there, somewhere, sooner or later, some mentally unstable person is going to act, spurred on by this psyop, and the results will be tragic for everyone involved.
 

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However, this case does underscore the danger of a political conspiracy scam like QAnon. Rest assured that out there, somewhere, sooner or later, some mentally unstable person is going to act, spurred on by this psyop, and the results will be tragic for everyone involved.

More likely it will be Antifa posing as a QAnon group so that Q will get the blame. Don't believe me? Check out this 1 minute clip of Antifa (most likely) posing as Q supporters.

 
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