The Plot by Bob Enyart

[Idolater]

The real presence is in His body—the church.

"This is My body," and then the Church consumes His body, that is how we are His body.

 

[Derf]

"This is My body," and then the Church consumes His body, that is how we are His body.

You want us to be cannibals and consume our own church members?

 

[Idolater]

You want us to be cannibals and consume our own church members?

I want you to experience the fullness of our faith.

 

[Derf]

I want you to experience the fullness of our faith.

By eating the flesh of church members?

 

[Nick M]

Church's celebration of the Eucharist

That doesn't exist in scripture. And yes. They got together for dinner. Different classes of wealth just like now. And he rebuked their behavior and questioned them and said to examine yourself. Do this to remember him. It was once a year (passover). Make no mistake, a pharisee like Paul, who did not teach them the law or, taught customs. He mentions it in his letters. He said do not let them judge them on whatever you do.

20 When you come together, it is not the Lord's supper that you eat. 21 For in eating, each one goes ahead with his own meal. One goes hungry, another gets drunk. 22 What! Do you not have houses to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I commend you in this? No, I will not.

“This is my body, which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.”

26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.

Paul boasts in the cross. You do not. It is obvious symbolism, just like the Garden of Eden. Just like the goat whose sin they put on, and the goat released into the wilderness. It is symbolism, and foreshadowing. Even that socialist clown Tradito one day said he recognized all the foreshadowing in the "Old Testament". I mean that in a sincere way. You should recognize it.

 

[Idolater]

That doesn't exist in scripture. And yes. They got together for dinner. Different classes of wealth just like now. And he rebuked their behavior and questioned them and said to examine yourself. Do this to remember him. It was once a year (passover).

Why would the church in Corinth celebrate the Passover?

Make no mistake, a pharisee like Paul, who did not teach them the law or, taught customs. He mentions it in his letters. He said do not let them judge them on whatever you do.

20 When you come together, it is not the Lord's supper that you eat. 21 For in eating, each one goes ahead with his own meal. One goes hungry, another gets drunk. 22 What! Do you not have houses to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I commend you in this? No, I will not.

They partook of the Lord's table:

Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.

15 I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.

16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

18 Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?

19 What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?

20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.

“This is my body, which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.”

26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.

Paul boasts in the cross. You do not. It is obvious symbolism, just like the Garden of Eden. Just like the goat whose sin they put on, and the goat released into the wilderness. It is symbolism, and foreshadowing. Even that socialist clown Tradito one day said he recognized all the foreshadowing in the "Old Testament". I mean that in a sincere way. You should recognize it.

The Eucharist is foreshadowed by Melchizedek who ministered with bread and wine, by the manna, by the showbread of the Lord's presence, and by the Passover.

 

[Nick M]

Why would the church in Corinth celebrate the Passover?

26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.

You're a blasphemer. It is symbolic of the fact that he died in our place.

 

[Idolater]

You're a blasphemer. It is symbolic of the fact that he died in our place.

At each Mass we say together, "For our sake He was crucified." Later on the celebrant holds the Eucharist and says, "Behold the Lamb of God, behold He Who takes away the sins of the World."

 

[Right Divider]

At each Mass we say together, "For our sake He was crucified." Later on the celebrant holds the Eucharist and says, "Behold the Lamb of God, behold He Who takes away the sins of the World."

Read the scripture.

The lamb (goat) that takes away the sins is the one that lives.

Lev 16:8-10 (AKJV/PCE)​

(16:8) And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat. (16:9) And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the LORD's lot fell, and offer him [for] a sin offering. (16:10) But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, [and] to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness. ​

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Lev 16:20-22 (AKJV/PCE)​

(16:20) ¶ And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy [place], and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat: (16:21) And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send [him] away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: (16:22) And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness. ​

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When John the B made that statement, he did not even know that Christ had to die.

 

[Nick M]

At each Mass we say together, "For our sake He was crucified.

You are a blasphemer who does not believe it. By your words you condemn yourself right here.

He says you're dead to sin which means DON'T SIN. That's obv. He says don't sin so many different times in so many different ways it's as if he forgot about just tell us plainly (he didn't, but it's almost like he did). It doesn't matter, because what does Jesus mean when He says to the Apostles, "Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

You are of your father the devil. Full of lies and deceit.

 

[Nick M]

You are as bad as the late member godrulz. I see not one piece of evidence (confession of belief) that he or you is saved. Both are diametrically opposed to being reconciled at the cross. You think one can sin their way out of salvation because you reject the cross. Let you be accursed, as Paul explicitly stated.

 

[Idolater]

... You think one can sin their way out of salvation ...

No, not the way you mean it. I think you can "sin your way out of salvation" if you drop the faith, for sure, but it's not because you "sin your way out of salvation", it's because you dropped the faith.

Absolutely it's impossible for a bona fide authentic Christian to sin their way out of salvation since it's by faith alone that we are saved, through grace. That's just the Bible. We reserve our free will. We retain it. So we can sin objectively, according to observation. Murder's sin, period, or rather, killing is sin, but there are circumstances, and those circumstances either confirm and corroborate that we killed with full knowledge and deliberate consent (we lied in wait, we premeditated, with malice aforethought), or not, and if circumstances are consistent and consonant with full knowledge and deliberate consent (lying in wait, premeditation, malice aforethought), then and only then are we guilty of killing, and another name for all that is murder.

no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

 

[glorydaz]

He will perform His good work in us. We are bought with a price and washed in the blood of the Lamb.

Phil. 1:6. Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

 

[Idolater]

No, not the way you mean it. I think you can "sin your way out of salvation" if you drop the faith, for sure, but it's not because you "sin your way out of salvation", it's because you dropped the faith.

Right? I mean you don't think you're saved if you first believe the Gospel and then stop believing it, right? It only counts if you believe it, right? You don't think someone only needs to believe it once, just for an instant, and then go back to not believing it, and it's all OK because they're saved?

I mean if that's what you think I definitely disagree with that. That doesn't make any sense. I suppose there's something to be said about an indelible mark even temporary genuine faith can make on a soul, but idk if that alone can save him.

Absolutely it's impossible for a bona fide authentic Christian to sin their way out of salvation since it's by faith alone that we are saved, through grace. That's just the Bible. We reserve our free will. We retain it. So we can sin objectively, according to observation. Murder's sin, period, or rather, killing is sin, but there are circumstances, and those circumstances either confirm and corroborate that we killed with full knowledge and deliberate consent

It's not possible for you as a non-Catholic to commit a mortal sin, which is a grave sin, which is committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent. You can commit a grave sin, that's not the limitation. It's that you do not have full knowledge, and so even if you 100% deliberately consent to committing the grave sin, it cannot be a mortal sin.

So mortal sin is only possible if you're a Catholic, and we are told it is simply a logically ontological possibility because we have free will. But before any Catholic commits a genuine mortal sin with full knowledge and 100% deliberate consent, I think that Catholic is sooner going to just drop his faith, because that is a less severe thing to do if you're feeling strongly about sinning, it's to feel less strong about your faith first.

The only mortal sin possible for non-Catholics is ontologically possible (again because of free will), but I find it to be an unlikely situation, where you have 100% full knowledge that Roman or Papal Catholicism is the truth of God and Jesus, and you also 100% deliberately consent to remain outside of the Roman Catholic Church.

That would motivate precisely nobody, but it technically is logically ontologically possible.

... (we lied in wait, we premeditated, with malice aforethought) ... (lying in wait, premeditation, malice aforethought) ...

Or poisoning. Another telltale sign of a murder. It's a killing with full guilt, iow with zero justification. You knew it would kill him, and you did it anyway, that's also a telltale sign a killing is a murder, is poisoning. Telltale.

no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

A true mortal sin under Roman or Papal Catholicism is the equivalent of committing a grave sin with the analogies to lying in wait, premeditation, with malice aforethought, unjustified ill intent, or poisoning. Poison has the pattern of setting things in motion that inevitably lead to the grave sin's fulfillment.

 

[Derf]

Right? I mean you don't think you're saved if you first believe the Gospel and then stop believing it, right? It only counts if you believe it, right? You don't think someone only needs to believe it once, just for an instant, and then go back to not believing it, and it's all OK because they're saved?

I mean if that's what you think I definitely disagree with that. That doesn't make any sense. I suppose there's something to be said about an indelible mark even temporary genuine faith can make on a soul, but idk if that alone can save him.



It's not possible for you as a non-Catholic to commit a mortal sin, which is a grave sin, which is committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent.

If Rome is correct, then it is certainly possible, even if others think otherwise. Our thinking on the results of what you might call mortal sins doesn't change the nature of the punishment.

You can commit a grave sin, that's not the limitation. It's that you do not have full knowledge, and so even if you 100% deliberately consent to committing the grave sin, it cannot be a mortal sin.

So you're saying it's the belief, not the truth that matters? So why would anyone ever want to stay a Catholic? You can just believe your way out of mortal sins.

So mortal sin is only possible if you're a Catholic, and we are told it is simply a logically ontological possibility because we have free will. But before any Catholic commits a genuine mortal sin with full knowledge and 100% deliberate consent, I think that Catholic is sooner going to just drop his faith, because that is a less severe thing to do if you're feeling strongly about sinning, it's to feel less strong about your faith first.

The only mortal sin possible for non-Catholics is ontologically possible (again because of free will), but I find it to be an unlikely situation, where you have 100% full knowledge that Roman or Papal Catholicism is the truth of God and Jesus, and you also 100% deliberately consent to remain outside of the Roman Catholic Church.

But it's fairly apparent that there's some part of Roman or Papal Catholicism that is not the truth of God. And that certainly leaves the door open to non-Roman sects.

That would motivate precisely nobody, but it technically is logically ontologically possible.



Or poisoning. Another telltale sign of a murder. It's a killing with full guilt, iow with zero justification. You knew it would kill him, and you did it anyway, that's also a telltale sign a killing is a murder, is poisoning. Telltale.

Why not a little white lie? If you knew it wasn't true and planned ahead of time to tell it, and with malice, why is it any better than a planned murder?

 

[Clete]

No, not the way you mean it. I think you can "sin your way out of salvation" if you drop the faith, for sure, but it's not because you "sin your way out of salvation", it's because you dropped the faith.

Absolutely it's impossible for a bona fide authentic Christian to sin their way out of salvation since it's by faith alone that we are saved, through grace. That's just the Bible. We reserve our free will. We retain it. So we can sin objectively, according to observation. Murder's sin, period, or rather, killing is sin, but there are circumstances, and those circumstances either confirm and corroborate that we killed with full knowledge and deliberate consent (we lied in wait, we premeditated, with malice aforethought), or not, and if circumstances are consistent and consonant with full knowledge and deliberate consent (lying in wait, premeditation, malice aforethought), then and only then are we guilty of killing, and another name for all that is murder.

no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

As though "dropping the faith" isn't a sin, right?

 

[Derf]

As though "dropping the faith" isn't a sin, right?

It only is if believing is an act of repentance.

 

[Nick M]

No, not the way you mean it. I think you can "sin your way out of salvation" if you drop the faith, for sure, but it's not because you "sin your way out of salvation", it's because you dropped the faith.

He says you're dead to sin which means DON'T SIN. That's obv. He says don't sin so many different times in so many different ways it's as if he forgot about just tell us plainly (he didn't, but it's almost like he did). It doesn't matter, because what does Jesus mean when He says to the Apostles, "Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained."

So we can not remit sins and be good? Cool. Your contradictions are funny. I think you need a video like this other poster who is now in eternal prison for insistence on being judged on his good works and obedience.