I've told you before, you do not have the power to deny me the CHRIST.
ECT The LORD God of Division
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I've told you before, you do not have the power to deny me the CHRIST.
Interplanner
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So why do you "make claims on the i.net" then?
How long does it take to realize the papacy is a form of theocracy, with its own "country" no less? Sorry but I know church history well enough to know that attempting to be a state authority like other state authorities always was a mistake. Maybe the example of Acts is enough: the apostles were not trying to supplant Roman authority but they did want individuals in it to clean up their act personally and in terms of things done in public as well (ch 26). But the apostles were never thought of as a theocracy that was in competition with Roman authority, or ever would be.
How long does it take to realize the papacy is a form of theocracy, with its own "country" no less? Sorry but I know church history well enough to know that attempting to be a state authority like other state authorities always was a mistake. Maybe the example of Acts is enough: the apostles were not trying to supplant Roman authority but they did want individuals in it to clean up their act personally and in terms of things done in public as well (ch 26). But the apostles were never thought of as a theocracy that was in competition with Roman authority, or ever would be.
If you want to have a rational discussion about this between two brothers who love the Son of God, please start a thread.
According to Romans 2:16's "In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel" the only "history" that will have mattered will have been what side of the following critical distinction between things one had stood on.
Galatians 3's:
1. O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2. This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3. Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
No thanks, Sancocho [an apt name given that Sancocho is the sense of a hybrid] I think I'll "stand fast" with Martin Luther on this one...Gal. 5:1.
Might as well call yourself "Another Gospel" - it too was a hybrid [of Law and Grace].
Galatians 3's:
1. O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2. This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3. Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
No thanks, Sancocho [an apt name given that Sancocho is the sense of a hybrid] I think I'll "stand fast" with Martin Luther on this one...Gal. 5:1.
Might as well call yourself "Another Gospel" - it too was a hybrid [of Law and Grace].
Sancocho is a typical Caribbean soup of the poor that has a variety of ingredients and is also used to represent the intermarrying and fusion of cultures. Given that Latin America has much lower levels of racism, child sacrifice, homosexual indoctrination than the US or Protestant Europe BY A LARGE MARGIN I have no problem with being a "Hybrid".
At the end of the day we will be judged by our fruits not the ability to quote Scripture.
The actual Believer will be judged based on Christ's fruit - the Cross - not on one's own.
The two issues - judgment of standing and state - are not the same other than in RCC like errors.
Galatians 3's:
3. Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
You are right, the rotten fruits of division will be judged accordingly.
Americans have long modified the Gospel, and compared to other countries it shows.
None of that is even the issue.
This alone is - "Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?"
I once listened to Protestants and all their claims. In fact that is how most operate here on the forum, quoting Scripture and little else.
However, Jesus tells me to judge you by your fruits.
And then He went to the Cross and proved that one's fruits was never the issue.
That one's fruits only served to prove what failures we all are in ourselves.
That the only solution was/is His fruit - the Cross - alone.
Romans 5's:
6. For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11. And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
You appear to have a problem with simply making that the issue.
Yours obviously the lens of "look at things after the outward appearance."
Try looking at things from the following - 2 Corinthians 5's:
12. For we commend not ourselves again unto you, but give you occasion to glory on our behalf, that ye may have somewhat to answer them which glory in appearance, and not in heart.
13. For whether we be beside ourselves, it is to God: or whether we be sober, it is for your cause.
14. For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15. And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
16. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19. To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
And 2 Corinthians 10's:
3. For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
4. [For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;]
5. Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
6. And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
7. Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ’s, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ’s, even so are we Christ’s.
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heir
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I don't care about your opinion of me.
The fact that you have not had a moment in your life when you trusted the Lord believing the gospel of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV), which is the power of God unto salvation to very one that believeth (Romans 1:16 KJV); places you outside the faith (2 Corinthians 13:5 KJV). Unless you trust Him after hearing and believing the word of truth before the Body is caught up to eet the Lord in the air or you die (whichever comes first) you will perish (2 Thessalonians 2:10 KJV). What a waste, considering Romans 6:23 KJV, 2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV, Ephesians 3:6 KJV.
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heir
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The gospel that is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth is the gospel of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV). Commit your salvation to the Lord believing it (Romans 1:16 KJV, 2 Timothy 1:12 KJV)!
heir
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FYI:
1. The Lord wasn't addressing you while on earth (Matthew 15:24 KJV, Romans 15:8 KJV)
2. fruits are words (John 6:63 KJV)
Matthew 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Matthew 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Matthew 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
Matthew 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Matthew 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Matthew 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
oatmeal
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Good post!
You should be quite exhilarated with my split from some of the more popular theology!!
The pharisees quoted scripture and you guys do the same.
You fruits are rotten America because when Jesus said He came to divide it was that of believers and non-believers and not between believers. St. Paul clearly points out that we are to accommodate our fellow brothers and Jesus Christ Himself says He will know if we are disciples if we have love for one another.
So please tell me how telling a fellow brother who submits to the THE CHRIST that he does not know Christ????
The sad fact is American Christians have spent most of their time separating believers, in direct contradiction of the Word, and this is why America will be punished severely.
You fruits are rotten America because when Jesus said He came to divide it was that of believers and non-believers and not between believers. St. Paul clearly points out that we are to accommodate our fellow brothers and Jesus Christ Himself says He will know if we are disciples if we have love for one another.
So please tell me how telling a fellow brother who submits to the THE CHRIST that he does not know Christ????
The sad fact is American Christians have spent most of their time separating believers, in direct contradiction of the Word, and this is why America will be punished severely.
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glorydaz
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Looks to me like you're the one telling American believers they have "rotten fruit". You don't see anything odd about that?
I have never implied that Protestants cannot know Christ and be saved because their doctrine is different, only that there are consequences for promoting an incomplete Gospel.
Jesus Christ message is clear, we are not to separate brothers on a whim, as many do on this forum, and we are to judge brothers by their fruits, not ability to repeat Scripture. Don't believe me, BELIEVE THE CHRIST.
glorydaz
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Actually, I'll believe what the RISEN LORD told Paul. That is believing Jesus. And, not everyone who claims to be a brother is one. Examine yourself, whether you be in the faith. It's the fruit of the Spirit that will be evidenced ....not a person's "fruit".
I will follow Jesus words and not yours. "By their fruits they are known".
glorydaz
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Did you know that Jesus Christ rose from the dead? The RISEN LORD gave Paul the "rest of the story"....a fuller knowledge and you have apparently missed it.
So, "their fruits" are righteous deeds. Or do you deny that?
Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Won't you feel silly when you find out about the fruit of the Spirit? You're stuck on the wrong side of the cross. He has risen, and we know what He taught Paul.