Aimiel
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That's what we are saying about Urantia.
The Late Great Urantia Revelation
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That's what we are saying about Urantia.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Reality check.........
Reality check.........
One Universal God-source exists and is the Universal Father of all. This Universal One includes and encompasses all.
By the same standard, your own religious writings or any volume you consider 'scripture' can be considered so as well,...since in many cases there is no way to know if any of those things really happened or if the sayings were really spoken by those attributed. A good share of mythology, allegory, redactions, interpolations and creative scripting could have gone into some portions, and we see such indiciations.
You're a self-professed ignoramous of the text itself, so are unqualified to critique it, you have nothing but presumptions. You have no idea of its vast content of religious, philosophical and scientific information, neither the new terms and meanings that such a volume brings into the 21st century, expanding a greater comprehension of the cosmos, so are 'retarded' as far as any real dialogue is concerned. Since you are 'clueless' until you understand the basics of the theology and cosmology of the papers (something you refuse), your tirade here is valueless in the context of discussion.
That's your 'opinion', and is subject to how one defines and PROVES it (or anything) is real and factual. If we dive deeply into 'epistemology', we have other levels of 'speculation' and 'questioning' on the criteria by which one make their claims.
Such are assertions, emotionally invested by your personal belief. A real seeker of truth (reality) will question everything, and keep on using discrimination, evaluating what is 'true' or 'false', what has eternal value from what does not.
Remember, you have nothing to contribute here but in the 'negative'. Your knowledge of the text is nil. The more you add here, the more vacuous and pointless your words are proved to be.
pj
Reality check.........
One Universal God-source exists and is the Universal Father of all. This Universal One includes and encompasses all.
By the same standard, your own religious writings or any volume you consider 'scripture' can be considered so as well,...since in many cases there is no way to know if any of those things really happened or if the sayings were really spoken by those attributed. A good share of mythology, allegory, redactions, interpolations and creative scripting could have gone into some portions, and we see such indiciations.
You're a self-professed ignoramous of the text itself, so are unqualified to critique it, you have nothing but presumptions. You have no idea of its vast content of religious, philosophical and scientific information, neither the new terms and meanings that such a volume brings into the 21st century, expanding a greater comprehension of the cosmos, so are 'retarded' as far as any real dialogue is concerned. Since you are 'clueless' until you understand the basics of the theology and cosmology of the papers (something you refuse), your tirade here is valueless in the context of discussion.
That's your 'opinion', and is subject to how one defines and PROVES it (or anything) is real and factual. If we dive deeply into 'epistemology', we have other levels of 'speculation' and 'questioning' on the criteria by which one make their claims.
Such are assertions, emotionally invested by your personal belief. A real seeker of truth (reality) will question everything, and keep on using discrimination, evaluating what is 'true' or 'false', what has eternal value from what does not.
Remember, you have nothing to contribute here but in the 'negative'. Your knowledge of the text is nil. The more you add here, the more vacuous and pointless your words are proved to be.
pj
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
"examine all things, hold fast to that which is good"
"examine all things, hold fast to that which is good"
Not necessarily. I simply suggested to discern all things, and in relation to their context. In a different 'context' or 'contextualization' of a sharing, the relative truth, meanings or values of certain terms could be different, as they apply to that particular 'context',...so any concept subject to space-time conditioning is relative.
Also, who said I've adopted any UB doctrine necessarily? Show me anywhere in my vast commentaries where I've proclaimed the UB as the inerrant, perfect, infallible word of God or even hailed it as the one and only true revelation given to the planet. Good luck on that score. The problem with many of the trolls and buffoons here, is their assuming just because I enjoy as a creative eclectic writer, to be an expounder/expositor of certain concepts in the papers (because this is the subject of the thread...hello?), is that I am a fundamentalist UB only believer. Hardly. Anyone who knows my theological quest and journey here, knows I'm very eclectic, and more of a universalist/spiritualist/theosophist/gnostic....who also can sometimes have skeptical/agnostic tendencies on certain points and subjects. So you see, there is so much ignorance on many levels from the get-go, presumptions, presuppositions, that the web many are stuck in, is too thick to untangle, until they become intellectually responsible and more spiritually intelligent.
I read a lot,....this does not mean I ADOPT everything I read :doh:
pj
"examine all things, hold fast to that which is good"
Not necessarily. I simply suggested to discern all things, and in relation to their context. In a different 'context' or 'contextualization' of a sharing, the relative truth, meanings or values of certain terms could be different, as they apply to that particular 'context',...so any concept subject to space-time conditioning is relative.
Also, who said I've adopted any UB doctrine necessarily? Show me anywhere in my vast commentaries where I've proclaimed the UB as the inerrant, perfect, infallible word of God or even hailed it as the one and only true revelation given to the planet. Good luck on that score. The problem with many of the trolls and buffoons here, is their assuming just because I enjoy as a creative eclectic writer, to be an expounder/expositor of certain concepts in the papers (because this is the subject of the thread...hello?), is that I am a fundamentalist UB only believer. Hardly. Anyone who knows my theological quest and journey here, knows I'm very eclectic, and more of a universalist/spiritualist/theosophist/gnostic....who also can sometimes have skeptical/agnostic tendencies on certain points and subjects. So you see, there is so much ignorance on many levels from the get-go, presumptions, presuppositions, that the web many are stuck in, is too thick to untangle, until they become intellectually responsible and more spiritually intelligent.
I read a lot,....this does not mean I ADOPT everything I read :doh:
pj
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Yes, try the spirits................
Yes, try the spirits................
You keep repeating that assertion.
Yep. You try the spirits by seeing/sensing what kind of 'spirit' is behind the message, personality or presentation. Since the spirit inspiring the positive message of the papers is wholly God-exalting, espousing only the highest religious ideas, principles and values, promoting the brotherhood of Man and Fatherhood of God, heralding the universal law of love for all souls, we can determine from this, its spiritual origin and inspiration is from 'God'.
pj
Yes, try the spirits................
You keep repeating that assertion.
Yep. You try the spirits by seeing/sensing what kind of 'spirit' is behind the message, personality or presentation. Since the spirit inspiring the positive message of the papers is wholly God-exalting, espousing only the highest religious ideas, principles and values, promoting the brotherhood of Man and Fatherhood of God, heralding the universal law of love for all souls, we can determine from this, its spiritual origin and inspiration is from 'God'.
pj
ok, we get it -
atrol:do you really want me on your bad side ? stop with the facebook junk - it gets worse -
atrol:
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
The power and judgement of the fallen rebels......
The power and judgement of the fallen rebels......
From what I understand however, Caligastia and some rebellious midwayers are still roaming freely, although it is true that since Pentecost and the outpouring of the Son's Spirit of Truth,...the majority of rebel spirit powers and personalities were neutralized more or less, with some personalities being detained awaiting judgment, while some are still loose. This is an area we'd need to research more as far as specifics given in the papers, as it does bear an interesting perspective relative to what actual rebel powers or entities are actually ABLE to influence the minds of men, but it appears some restraints have been imposed that limit some of these beings from totally possessing a person. Again,...have to study more on this.
pj
The power and judgement of the fallen rebels......
From what I understand however, Caligastia and some rebellious midwayers are still roaming freely, although it is true that since Pentecost and the outpouring of the Son's Spirit of Truth,...the majority of rebel spirit powers and personalities were neutralized more or less, with some personalities being detained awaiting judgment, while some are still loose. This is an area we'd need to research more as far as specifics given in the papers, as it does bear an interesting perspective relative to what actual rebel powers or entities are actually ABLE to influence the minds of men, but it appears some restraints have been imposed that limit some of these beings from totally possessing a person. Again,...have to study more on this.
pj
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
The everywhere '
The everywhere '
It might dawn on you that a fragment of 'God' indwells all mortals of normal-mind capacity and potential. Furthermore to deny that God indwells all mortals is to deny his omnipresence. There's more to this, but just a morsel to nibble on
Oh goodness. You've really topped yourself now.
yeah yeah. Thing is, you cant prove this 'Jebus' does not exist,...neither can you prove that your 'version' of Jesus exists anywhere but in your own mind. Looks like 'two for the road' :crackup:
pj
The everywhere '
It might dawn on you that a fragment of 'God' indwells all mortals of normal-mind capacity and potential. Furthermore to deny that God indwells all mortals is to deny his omnipresence. There's more to this, but just a morsel to nibble on
Oh goodness. You've really topped yourself now.
yeah yeah. Thing is, you cant prove this 'Jebus' does not exist,...neither can you prove that your 'version' of Jesus exists anywhere but in your own mind. Looks like 'two for the road' :crackup:
pj
journey
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Originally Posted by journey
Just remember that the ub UFO cult garbage is NOT an authority or source of truth on a single thing. It's made up - total FICTION. The REAL and LIVING GOD is found in the Holy Bible - God's Word - NOT the ub comic book. Quoting the ub as if it's a great revelation from God is a really bad JOKE.
There's nothing about the ub UFO cult garbage that is Christian. What have folks been trying to tell you all this time? The ub UFO cult garbage is anti-Christ and anti-Christian - other than being a total fabrication - FICTION. Worse - there are claims that it's from God, and the urantia garbage has nothing to do with the true and Living God. If you want to read God's Word - read the Holy Bible - not the urantia UFO cult garbage. That's about as plain and blunt as I can make it.
Face the truth Freelight; "You're a Nut!" Oh, and so is Caino!
Well said! The Urantions are a cancerous tumor on TOL!
I gave up on "UFOs" when I was a kid! Obviously, Caino and Freelight
haven't outgrown those, "Little green men!" They're what you'd call;
"Child-men!"
haven't outgrown those, "Little green men!" They're what you'd call;
"Child-men!"
Only those who truly desire the presence of Caligastia could possibly be influenced. The other rebels were all taken away. But even when the so called demons were here they had no power to invade a healthy persons mind, only mentally chalanged people.
87:4.7 The tragedy of all this lies in the fact that, when these ideas were taking root in the primitive mind of man, there really were no bad or disharmonious spirits in all the world. Such an unfortunate situation did not develop until after the Caligastic rebellion and only persisted until Pentecost. The concept of good and evil as cosmic co-ordinates is, even in the twentieth century, very much alive in human philosophy; most of the world’s religions still carry this cultural birthmark of the long-gone days of the emerging ghost cults.UB 1955
From Knight
5. Thou SHALL NOT hijack threads or be a "thread pest" (Hijacking a thread means intentionally changing the subject of a thread to discredit the thread's purpose. And being a "thread pest" means you pop into random threads just to make a mocking comment with no other purpose than to marginalize the discussion). If you are not interested in the topic of a thread, you might just want to stay out of it.
7. Thou SHALL NOT troll our forums. If you are here to make outlandish, crazy statements merely to get a rise out of the membership and cause trouble, please save yourself the time and leave.
Says Grosnick who has started 2 additional threads about the Urantia revelation.
From Knight
5. Thou SHALL NOT hijack threads or be a "thread pest" (Hijacking a thread means intentionally changing the subject of a thread to discredit the thread's purpose. And being a "thread pest" means you pop into random threads just to make a mocking comment with no other purpose than to marginalize the discussion). If you are not interested in the topic of a thread, you might just want to stay out of it.
7. Thou SHALL NOT troll our forums. If you are here to make outlandish, crazy statements merely to get a rise out of the membership and cause trouble, please save yourself the time and leave.
The Urantia revelation validates things taught in the Bible
* God the Son (Jesus, aka Christ Michael) created the earth through a process that we would consider long but was relatively short for his time reckoning.
(651.3) 57:1.1 Urantia is of origin in your sun, and your sun is one of the multifarious offspring of the Andronover nebula, which was onetime organized as a component part of the physical power and material matter of the local universe of Nebadon. And this great nebula itself took origin in the universal force-charge of space in the superuniverse of Orvonton, long, long ago.
(651.4) 57:1.2 At the time of the beginning of this recital, the Primary Master Force Organizers of Paradise had long been in full control of the space-energies which were later organized as the Andronover nebula.
(651.5) 57:1.3 987,000,000,000 years ago associate force organizer and then acting inspector number 811,307 of the Orvonton series, traveling out from Uversa, reported to the Ancients of Days that space conditions were favorable for the initiation of materialization phenomena in a certain sector of the, then, easterly segment of Orvonton.
(655.4) 57:4.8 6,000,000,000 years ago marks the end of the terminal breakup and the birth of your sun, the fifty-sixth from the last of the Andronover second solar family. This final eruption of the nebular nucleus gave birth to 136,702 suns, most of them solitary orbs. The total number of suns and sun systems having origin in the Andronover nebula was 1,013,628. The number of the solar system sun is 1,013,572.
(655.9) 57:5.4 4,500,000,000 years ago the enormous Angona system began its approach to the neighborhood of this solitary sun. The center of this great system was a dark giant of space, solid, highly charged, and possessing tremendous gravity pull.
The birth of our Earth
(656.1) 57:5.5 As Angona more closely approached the sun, at moments of maximum expansion during solar pulsations, streams of gaseous material were shot out into space as gigantic solar tongues. At first these flaming gas tongues would invariably fall back into the sun, but as Angona drew nearer and nearer, the gravity pull of the gigantic visitor became so great that these tongues of gas would break off at certain points, the roots falling back into the sun while the outer sections would become detached to form independent bodies of matter, solar meteorites, which immediately started to revolve about the sun in elliptical orbits of their own.
(658.7) 57:6.10 2,500,000,000 years ago the planets had grown immensely in size. Urantia was a well-developed sphere about one tenth its present mass and was still growing rapidly by meteoric accretion.
(660.3) 57:8.1 1,000,000,000 years ago is the date of the actual beginning of Urantia history. The planet had attained approximately its present size. And about this time it was placed upon the physical registries of Nebadon and given its name, Urantia.
* God the Son (Jesus, aka Christ Michael) created the earth through a process that we would consider long but was relatively short for his time reckoning.
The Andronover Nebula
(651.3) 57:1.1 Urantia is of origin in your sun, and your sun is one of the multifarious offspring of the Andronover nebula, which was onetime organized as a component part of the physical power and material matter of the local universe of Nebadon. And this great nebula itself took origin in the universal force-charge of space in the superuniverse of Orvonton, long, long ago.
(651.4) 57:1.2 At the time of the beginning of this recital, the Primary Master Force Organizers of Paradise had long been in full control of the space-energies which were later organized as the Andronover nebula.
(651.5) 57:1.3 987,000,000,000 years ago associate force organizer and then acting inspector number 811,307 of the Orvonton series, traveling out from Uversa, reported to the Ancients of Days that space conditions were favorable for the initiation of materialization phenomena in a certain sector of the, then, easterly segment of Orvonton.
(655.4) 57:4.8 6,000,000,000 years ago marks the end of the terminal breakup and the birth of your sun, the fifty-sixth from the last of the Andronover second solar family. This final eruption of the nebular nucleus gave birth to 136,702 suns, most of them solitary orbs. The total number of suns and sun systems having origin in the Andronover nebula was 1,013,628. The number of the solar system sun is 1,013,572.
(655.9) 57:5.4 4,500,000,000 years ago the enormous Angona system began its approach to the neighborhood of this solitary sun. The center of this great system was a dark giant of space, solid, highly charged, and possessing tremendous gravity pull.
The birth of our Earth
(656.1) 57:5.5 As Angona more closely approached the sun, at moments of maximum expansion during solar pulsations, streams of gaseous material were shot out into space as gigantic solar tongues. At first these flaming gas tongues would invariably fall back into the sun, but as Angona drew nearer and nearer, the gravity pull of the gigantic visitor became so great that these tongues of gas would break off at certain points, the roots falling back into the sun while the outer sections would become detached to form independent bodies of matter, solar meteorites, which immediately started to revolve about the sun in elliptical orbits of their own.
(658.7) 57:6.10 2,500,000,000 years ago the planets had grown immensely in size. Urantia was a well-developed sphere about one tenth its present mass and was still growing rapidly by meteoric accretion.
(660.3) 57:8.1 1,000,000,000 years ago is the date of the actual beginning of Urantia history. The planet had attained approximately its present size. And about this time it was placed upon the physical registries of Nebadon and given its name, Urantia.
The Urantia revelation validates things taught in the Bible
* God the Son (Jesus, aka Christ Michael) created the earth through a process that we would consider long but was relatively short for his time reckoning.
The Andronover Nebula
(651.3) 57:1.1 Urantia is of origin in your sun, and your sun is one of the multifarious offspring of the Andronover nebula, which was onetime organized as a component part of the physical power and material matter of the local universe of Nebadon. And this great nebula itself took origin in the universal force-charge of space in the superuniverse of Orvonton, long, long ago.
(651.4) 57:1.2 At the time of the beginning of this recital, the Primary Master Force Organizers of Paradise had long been in full control of the space-energies which were later organized as the Andronover nebula.
(651.5) 57:1.3 987,000,000,000 years ago associate force organizer and then acting inspector number 811,307 of the Orvonton series, traveling out from Uversa, reported to the Ancients of Days that space conditions were favorable for the initiation of materialization phenomena in a certain sector of the, then, easterly segment of Orvonton.
(655.4) 57:4.8 6,000,000,000 years ago marks the end of the terminal breakup and the birth of your sun, the fifty-sixth from the last of the Andronover second solar family. This final eruption of the nebular nucleus gave birth to 136,702 suns, most of them solitary orbs. The total number of suns and sun systems having origin in the Andronover nebula was 1,013,628. The number of the solar system sun is 1,013,572.
(655.9) 57:5.4 4,500,000,000 years ago the enormous Angona system began its approach to the neighborhood of this solitary sun. The center of this great system was a dark giant of space, solid, highly charged, and possessing tremendous gravity pull.
The birth of our Earth
(656.1) 57:5.5 As Angona more closely approached the sun, at moments of maximum expansion during solar pulsations, streams of gaseous material were shot out into space as gigantic solar tongues. At first these flaming gas tongues would invariably fall back into the sun, but as Angona drew nearer and nearer, the gravity pull of the gigantic visitor became so great that these tongues of gas would break off at certain points, the roots falling back into the sun while the outer sections would become detached to form independent bodies of matter, solar meteorites, which immediately started to revolve about the sun in elliptical orbits of their own.
(658.7) 57:6.10 2,500,000,000 years ago the planets had grown immensely in size. Urantia was a well-developed sphere about one tenth its present mass and was still growing rapidly by meteoric accretion.
(660.3) 57:8.1 1,000,000,000 years ago is the date of the actual beginning of Urantia history. The planet had attained approximately its present size. And about this time it was placed upon the physical registries of Nebadon and given its name, Urantia.
8 Zillion years ago the "Urantia entities" discovered Bubble Gum!
Rumor has it that, L. Ron Hubbard was one of the "entities" that spoke through
that, "chosen human conduit?" Right after he had written, "Dianetics!"
that, "chosen human conduit?" Right after he had written, "Dianetics!"
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