The Late Great Urantia Revelation

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Caino

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Jesus is followed by many who find traditional garb ill-fitting. Our spiritual apparel is not to everyone's taste. Each to his own.

So true!


147:7.2 On Tuesday evening Jesus was conducting one of his customary classes of questions and answers when the leader of the six spies said to him: “I was today talking with one of John's disciples who is here attending upon your teaching, and we were at a loss to understand why you never command your disciples to fast and pray as we Pharisees fast and as John bade his followers.” And Jesus, referring to a statement by John, answered this questioner: “Do the sons of the bridechamber fast while the bridegroom is with them? As long as the bridegroom remains with them, they can hardly fast. But the time is coming when the bridegroom shall be taken away, and during those times the children of the bridechamber undoubtedly will fast and pray. To pray is natural for the children of light, but fasting is not a part of the gospel of the kingdom of heaven. Be reminded that a wise tailor does not sew a piece of new and unshrunk cloth upon an old garment, lest, when it is wet, it shrink and produce a worse rent. Neither do men put new wine into old wine skins, lest the new wine burst the skins so that both the wine and the skins perish. The wise man puts the new wine into fresh wine skins. Therefore do my disciples show wisdom in that they do not bring too much of the old order over into the new teaching of the gospel of the kingdom. You who have lost your teacher may be justified in fasting for a time. Fasting may be an appropriate part of the law of Moses, but in the coming kingdom the sons of God shall experience freedom from fear and joy in the divine spirit.” And when they heard these words, the disciples of John were comforted while the Pharisees themselves were the more confounded.


Hence TOL's trolling Pharisees are all the more confounded.
 

Caino

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Yes! Been a card carrying nutcase for quite a while now. ? I do enjoy a good debate. The man that brought me to Christ was a Fundamentalist Christian, so I've a lot of love for that community. I respect and admire their faith even if I don't share their beliefs.

A House Divided
(Matthew 12:22-30; Luke 11:14-23)

20Then Jesus went home, and once again a crowd gathered, so that He and His disciples could not even eat. 21When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, “He is out of His mind.”

22And the scribes who had come down from Jerusalem were saying, “He is possessed by Beelzebul,” and, “By the prince of the demons He drives out demons.”

23So Jesus called them together and began to speak to them in parables: “How can Satan drive out Satan? 24If a kingdom is divided against itself, it cannot stand. 25If a house is divided against itself, it cannot stand. 26And if Satan is divided and rises against himself, he cannot stand; his end has come. 27Indeed, no one can enter a strong man’s house to steal his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can plunder his house.
 

freelight

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We are living epistles...........

We are living epistles...........

Breathed by God is very accurate

And even so, we as temples of Deity, are 'breathed' by God, inspired to carry on our life journey, purpose and destiny. The divine will of that Spirit(breath) is life itself, and all potentials/possibilities of life are inherent in the Spirit.
 

freelight

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Defending your claims that the inspired writers made errors when they didn't make a single one.

God being perfect may not err, but man is imperfect. The doctrine of 'innerancy' then applied to a religious book is unnecessary, unreasonable, since it is written by men. Inspiration may be more or less in any given writing, and the quality of the reception, the individual serving as the 'medium' of the message also can colour or modify the original message, thru the 'distortion' of 'translation' and further 'interpretation'. The Spirit of truth is the teacher, since what is spiritual is spiritually discerned.

Since you're claiming total inerrancy for the Bible, the burden of proof is on you to provide enough evidence to verify your claim. Any truth in the UB, or any other religious work or revelation, stands upon the testimony of its own integrity, content, the values, meanings and principles it espouses, the wisdom and inspiration of the Spirit it contains, however it serves to facilitate genuine worship, service, desire for right-doing, transformation of consciousness. Remember, we judge a book by its contents, not its 'cover'.
 

freelight

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Having fun with TB........

Having fun with TB........

I found proofs the 66 book Bible isn't written by men alone. It's not what it said. It's that the the hands of the writers were moved by God himself, word for word, letter by letter.

'God' who is Life itself, is living proof of Himself, since existence itself, is Self-evident, Self-realizing, Self-cognizant. I AM.

The ub writers were moved by unfamiliar spirits who fail the tests, failed to know Jesus.

Part 4 covers every year of the life of Jesus and much more, I don't see how that 'fails' to respect or give glory to Jesus :idunno:

You give praises to ub written as truths while you give your own creator a stab in the back cause you agree that God made errors in his own words.

Truth is truth, wherever it may be found. Truth is dynamic, living. Some books may be better containers or conductors of truth. Pick and choose wisely.

As already stated, the UB does NOT teach God himself can make errors as He is perfect. All errors of mistranslation, misinterpretation, misunderstanding are due to the mortal finite limitations of man.

Angels saves you while Jesus saves us, the whatchamacallit Christians.

Sadly you're still engaged in polemics and polarizing 2 groups of people,...'Christians' who believe as you do,...and then 'UB readers' or any religionist that does not hold the Bible to be infallible,...as the 'other group', the 'enemy', etc.,.....an 'us vs. them' mentality. God is One. Humanity is one.

Truth or universal wisdom is so above such petty duality plays or 'divine and conquer' memes. Truth is One. God is a manifold Unity. Reality and its habits or laws, all derive from one Creative Source.

The message of the UB is wholly 'Christ-centered' since Jesus is our Creator Son, the Sorvereign Lord and Planetary Prince of our planet and the entire universe of Nebadon, but the papers call it more 'Jesusonian' in flavor, since a new dispensation of truth about Jesus and his religion has been given. We've covered what 'Jesusonian' means and its 3 or 4 times mentioned in the papers, in context. The religion of Jesus is based on the truth of the Fatherhood of God and Brotherhood of man, that man by faith in God, revealing that he is God's child, can be saved,....and live eternally by DOING God's will, in service to God and others, in this world, and in all worlds to come. Its a very fundamental universal principle of life, that by loving the Creator of life and aspiring to be like Him, in loving willful union, is essential in realizing one's purpose and fulfilling one's reason for being, in the creative and eternally progressive sense. Such faith and willing to do God's will, ensures that one has eternal survival (salvation/immortality).

The failed angels made you think it's the truths. They know how to do it to you. The true angels know God and the truths. The fallen ones are liairs and what you to fail.

Angels appeared to many in the Bible and in other religious records of other faiths,...and they are believed in by those people. Remember, we judge any teaching, concept, idea, ideal, principle by its own meaning and value. We judge any message or teaching from any source whatsoever, by the message itself, its nature and character. Study the message. Get the message.

This topic is epic fail cause it contains great hidden lies.

The topic is highly significant for religious discussion, as it also includes the whole of science and philosophy in this age and the coming new age. If any writing has 'truth', honors and reveals 'truth', it is truthful to that extent. The Spirit of truth confirms and illuminates truth.

See: Truth in the Urantia Book :)

Urantians are the real trolls of TOL.

Ahhhh, you're such a sweet heart.

Requirements in the rules are to be Christians.

This is the 'Religion' section. There is a forum just for 'Exclusive Christian Theology' if you're interested. Isn't it lovely to have so many options?

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freelight

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1000th post. Jesus saves, not celestials.

That Jesus saves because He is the Creator-Son of this planet, this very universe, is a logical rational conclusion :)

Cosmic beings, celestials, angels, ministering spirits of various kind, order and rank serve in their respective fields and duties. They assist mankind for sure, and attend many other things beyond our knowledge.

See: Is Jesus the Savior? ;)
 

Caino

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That Jesus saves because He is the Creator-Son of this planet, this very universe, is a logical rational conclusion :)

Cosmic beings, celestials, angels, ministering spirits of various kind, order and rank serve in their respective fields and duties. They assist mankind for sure, and attend many other things beyond our knowledge.

See: Is Jesus the Savior? ;)


Jesus made the way of salvation more clear. After he returned home to heaven, some of his followers made that way more complicated. In the religion of Jesus, the original "good news" gospel, salvation was by faith ; sonship with God and the responsibility that comes with it. Subsequent followers of Jesus began to speculate that Jesus was a human sacrifice to atone for mans sins i.e. blood sacrifice, an erroneous idea already held in previous beliefs both inside Judaism as well as the various Pagan religions.
 

TulipBee

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God being perfect may not err, but man is imperfect. The doctrine of 'innerancy' then applied to a religious book is unnecessary, unreasonable, since it is written by men. Inspiration may be more or less in any given writing, and the quality of the reception, the individual serving as the 'medium' of the message also can colour or modify the original message, thru the 'distortion' of 'translation' and further 'interpretation'. The Spirit of truth is the teacher, since what is spiritual is spiritually discerned.

Since you're claiming total inerrancy for the Bible, the burden of proof is on you to provide enough evidence to verify your claim. Any truth in the UB, or any other religious work or revelation, stands upon the testimony of its own integrity, content, the values, meanings and principles it espouses, the wisdom and inspiration of the Spirit it contains, however it serves to facilitate genuine worship, service, desire for right-doing, transformation of consciousness. Remember, we judge a book by its contents, not its 'cover'.
God's true words are necessary
 

TulipBee

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'God' who is Life itself, is living proof of Himself, since existence itself, is Self-evident, Self-realizing, Self-cognizant. I AM.



Part 4 covers every year of the life of Jesus and much more, I don't see how that 'fails' to respect or give glory to Jesus :idunno:



Truth is truth, wherever it may be found. Truth is dynamic, living. Some books may be better containers or conductors of truth. Pick and choose wisely.

As already stated, the UB does NOT teach God himself can make errors as He is perfect. All errors of mistranslation, misinterpretation, misunderstanding are due to the mortal finite limitations of man.



Sadly you're still engaged in polemics and polarizing 2 groups of people,...'Christians' who believe as you do,...and then 'UB readers' or any religionist that does not hold the Bible to be infallible,...as the 'other group', the 'enemy', etc.,.....an 'us vs. them' mentality. God is One. Humanity is one.

Truth or universal wisdom is so above such petty duality plays or 'divine and conquer' memes. Truth is One. God is a manifold Unity. Reality and its habits or laws, all derive from one Creative Source.

The message of the UB is wholly 'Christ-centered' since Jesus is our Creator Son, the Sorvereign Lord and Planetary Prince of our planet and the entire universe of Nebadon, but the papers call it more 'Jesusonian' in flavor, since a new dispensation of truth about Jesus and his religion has been given. We've covered what 'Jesusonian' means and its 3 or 4 times mentioned in the papers, in context. The religion of Jesus is based on the truth of the Fatherhood of God and Brotherhood of man, that man by faith in God, revealing that he is God's child, can be saved,....and live eternally by DOING God's will, in service to God and others, in this world, and in all worlds to come. Its a very fundamental universal principle of life, that by loving the Creator of life and aspiring to be like Him, in loving willful union, is essential in realizing one's purpose and fulfilling one's reason for being, in the creative and eternally progressive sense. Such faith and willing to do God's will, ensures that one has eternal survival (salvation/immortality).



Angels appeared to many in the Bible and in other religious records of other faiths,...and they are believed in by those people. Remember, we judge any teaching, concept, idea, ideal, principle by its own meaning and value. We judge any message or teaching from any source whatsoever, by the message itself, its nature and character. Study the message. Get the message.



The topic is highly significant for religious discussion, as it also includes the whole of science and philosophy in this age and the coming new age. If any writing has 'truth', honors and reveals 'truth', it is truthful to that extent. The Spirit of truth confirms and illuminates truth.

See: Truth in the Urantia Book :)



Ahhhh, you're such a sweet heart.



This is the 'Religion' section. There is a forum just for 'Exclusive Christian Theology' if you're interested. Isn't it lovely to have so many options?

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Calling me a troll here while I priase God's word. Ub's fight to claim the Bible has errors and not good enough, Nice. This topic IS the troll of TOL and you cry to stay here
 

TulipBee

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That Jesus saves because He is the Creator-Son of this planet, this very universe, is a logical rational conclusion :)

Cosmic beings, celestials, angels, ministering spirits of various kind, order and rank serve in their respective fields and duties. They assist mankind for sure, and attend many other things beyond our knowledge.

See: Is Jesus the Savior? ;)
Lying celestials are low ranks
 

Caino

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[Presented by a Mighty Messenger visiting on Urantia, by request of the Nebadon Revelatory Corps and in collaboration with a certain Melchizedek, the vicegerent Planetary Prince of Urantia.]


TRUTH, BEAUTY, AND GOODNESS



56:10.1 As the worlds settled in life and light progress from the initial stage to the seventh epoch, they successively grasp for the realization of the reality of God the Sevenfold, ranging from the adoration of the Creator Son to the worship of his Paradise Father. Throughout the continuing seventh stage of such a world's history the ever-progressing mortals grow in the knowledge of God the Supreme, while they vaguely discern the reality of the overshadowing ministry of God the Ultimate.

56:10.2 Throughout this glorious age the chief pursuit of the ever-advancing mortals is the quest for a better understanding and a fuller realization of the comprehensible elements of Deity—truth, beauty, and goodness. This represents man's effort to discern God in mind, matter, and spirit. And as the mortal pursues this quest, he finds himself increasingly absorbed in the experiential study of philosophy, cosmology, and divinity.

56:10.3 Philosophy you somewhat grasp, and divinity you comprehend in worship, social service, and personal spiritual experience, but the pursuit of beauty—cosmology—you all too often limit to the study of man's crude artistic endeavors. Beauty, art, is largely a matter of the unification of contrasts. Variety is essential to the concept of beauty. The supreme beauty, the height of finite art, is the drama of the unification of the vastness of the cosmic extremes of Creator and creature. Man finding God and God finding man—the creature becoming perfect as is the Creator—that is the supernal achievement of the supremely beautiful, the attainment of the apex of cosmic art.

56:10.4 Hence materialism, atheism, is the maximation of ugliness, the climax of the finite antithesis of the beautiful. Highest beauty consists in the panorama of the unification of the variations which have been born of pre-existent harmonious reality.

56:10.5 The attainment of cosmologic levels of thought includes:


1. Curiosity. Hunger for harmony and thirst for beauty. Persistent attempts to discover new levels of harmonious cosmic relationships.
2. Aesthetic appreciation. Love of the beautiful and ever-advancing appreciation of the artistic touch of all creative manifestations on all levels of reality.
3. Ethic sensitivity. Through the realization of truth the appreciation of beauty leads to the sense of the eternal fitness of those things which impinge upon the recognition of divine goodness in Deity relations with all beings; and thus even cosmology leads to the pursuit of divine reality values—to God-consciousness.

56:10.9 The worlds settled in light and life are so fully concerned with the comprehension of truth, beauty, and goodness because these quality values embrace the revelation of Deity to the realms of time and space. The meanings of eternal truth make a combined appeal to the intellectual and spiritual natures of mortal man. Universal beauty embraces the harmonious relations and rhythms of the cosmic creation; this is more distinctly the intellectual appeal and leads towards unified and synchronous comprehension of the material universe. Divine goodness represents the revelation of infinite values to the finite mind, therein to be perceived and elevated to the very threshold of the spiritual level of human comprehension.

56:10.10 Truth is the basis of science and philosophy, presenting the intellectual foundation of religion. Beauty sponsors art, music, and the meaningful rhythms of all human experience. Goodness embraces the sense of ethics, morality, and religion—experiential perfection-hunger.

56:10.11 The existence of beauty implies the presence of appreciative creature mind just as certainly as the fact of progressive evolution indicates the dominance of the Supreme Mind. Beauty is the intellectual recognition of the harmonious time-space synthesis of the far-flung diversification of phenomenal reality, all of which stems from pre-existent and eternal oneness.

56:10.12 Goodness is the mental recognition of the relative values of the diverse levels of divine perfection. The recognition of goodness implies a mind of moral status, a personal mind with ability to discriminate between good and evil. But the possession of goodness, greatness, is the measure of real divinity attainment.

56:10.13 The recognition of true relations implies a mind competent to discriminate between truth and error. The bestowal Spirit of Truth which invests the human minds of Urantia is unerringly responsive to truth—the living spirit relationship of all things and all beings as they are co-ordinated in the eternal ascent Godward.

56:10.14 Every impulse of every electron, thought, or spirit is an acting unit in the whole universe. Only sin is isolated and evil gravity resisting on the mental and spiritual levels. The universe is a whole; no thing or being exists or lives in isolation. Self-realization is potentially evil if it is antisocial. It is literally true: “No man lives by himself.” Cosmic socialization constitutes the highest form of personality unification. Said Jesus: " He who would be greatest among you, let him become server of all.”

56:10.15 Even truth, beauty, and goodness—man's intellectual approach to the universe of mind, matter, and spirit—must be combined into one unified concept of a divine and supreme ideal. As mortal personality unifies the human experience with matter, mind, and spirit, so does this divine and supreme ideal become power-unified in Supremacy and then personalized as a God of fatherly love.

56:10.16 All insight into the relations of the parts to any given whole requires an understanding grasp of the relation of all parts to that whole; and in the universe this means the relation of created parts to the Creative Whole. Deity thus becomes the transcendental, even the infinite, goal of universal and eternal attainment.

56:10.17 Universal beauty is the recognition of the reflection of the Isle of Paradise in the material creation, while eternal truth is the special ministry of the Paradise Sons who not only bestow themselves upon the mortal races but even pour out their Spirit of Truth upon all peoples. Divine goodness is more fully shown forth in the loving ministry of the manifold personalities of the Infinite Spirit. But love, the sum total of these three qualities, is man's perception of God as his spirit Father.

56:10.18 Physical matter is the time-space shadow of the Paradise energy-shining of the absolute Deities. Truth meanings are the mortal-intellect repercussions of the eternal word of Deity—the time-space comprehension of supreme concepts. The goodness values of divinity are the merciful ministries of the spirit personalities of the Universal, the Eternal, and the Infinite to the time-space finite creatures of the evolutionary spheres.

56:10.19 These meaningful reality values of divinity are blended in the Father's relation with each personal creature as divine love. They are co-ordinated in the Son and his Sons as divine mercy. They manifest their qualities through the Spirit and his spirit children as divine ministry, the portrayal of loving mercy to the children of time. These three divinities are primarily manifested by the Supreme Being as power-personality synthesis. They are variously shown forth by God the Sevenfold in seven differing associations of divine meanings and values on seven ascending levels.

56:10.20 To finite man truth, beauty, and goodness embrace the full revelation of divinity reality. As this love-comprehension of Deity finds spiritual expression in the lives of God-knowing mortals, there are yielded the fruits of divinity: intellectual peace, social progress, moral satisfaction, spiritual joy, and cosmic wisdom. The advanced mortals on a world in the seventh stage of light and life have learned that love is the greatest thing in the universe—and they know that God is love.

56:10.21 Love is the desire to do good to others.


56:10.22 [Presented by a Mighty Messenger visiting on Urantia, by request of the Nebadon Revelatory Corps and in collaboration with a certain Melchizedek, the vicegerent Planetary Prince of Urantia.]
 

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[Presented by a Mighty Messenger visiting on Urantia, by request of the Nebadon Revelatory Corps and in collaboration with a certain Melchizedek, the vicegerent Planetary Prince of Urantia.]

Did they bring plenty of Rayguns (Not Ronald Rayguns) and an "Interocitor"
 

Caino

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"People don't reject the Bible because it contradicts itself, but because it contradicts them."

People reject the dishonesty of church authority who tell the flock that God wrote the books that they wrote:

“And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.” 2 Sam. 24:1

200 years later the story was changed!

“And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.” 1 Chron. 21:1
 
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