The Late Great Urantia Revelation

[TulipBee]

My I phone 6+ is much better than my original Moterolla flip phone. It just is, that fact isn't meant to hurt anyone's feelings. It's an update. The UB is more authoritative by permission from Jesus, it's a gift that comes at a time of his choosing. Man has fixed ideas about how things should be done and that has caused problems for ages. The Jews had ideas about a Messiah, those ideas became a devistateing stumbling block for them. Growth requires an open mind. Jesus made it clear that his followers need to trust in God like an unspoiled child.

Useless barking at celestial look-a-likes

 

[Caino]

Useless barking at celestial look-a-likes

The Old Testament experts carped at Jesus: "At this they exclaimed, “Now we know that you are demon-possessed! Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that whoever obeys your word will never taste death. Are you greater than our father Abraham? He died, and so did the prophets. Who do you think you are?”"


Today the Bible experts bark at the Urantia Book, it just smiles back at your stubborn laziness.

 

[TulipBee]

The Old Testament experts carped at Jesus: "At this they exclaimed, “Now we know that you are demon-possessed! Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that whoever obeys your word will never taste death. Are you greater than our father Abraham? He died, and so did the prophets. Who do you think you are?”"


Today the Bible experts bark at the Urantia Book, it just smiles back at your stubborn laziness.

Naughty mouth. Errorless God knows more than the angels

 

[Caino]

Naughty mouth. Errorless God knows more than the angels

The doctrine of the infallibility of the scripture is fiction.

 

[freelight]

Thought modification...............

Thought modification...............

Originals don't need modifying.

Well,...the orginals no longer exist - you just have copies, and the earliest extant whole bibles existing are a within a few centuries out from Jesus day. While the Dead Sea Scroll show an amazing accuracy of texts preserved there are still variations and books held in regard that did not make canonization. The changes in text via translation or transmission may be marginal or only significant in some minor cases, so as far as us having most of the essential text transmission, beside some minor variants and a few ommissions/interpolations,....the Bible as a whole has been translated as well as it could be over the centuries, although many different versions exist. But I don't think this necessitates or demands that anyone hold to a belief in 'biblical inerrancy'. It still remains that there is 'progressive revelation', and other inspired writings and revelations have come forth and are even still in the wings, so to speak. You cannot silence the logos or contract it, but you can hold yourself back from new dictations of the Spirit, clinging to what have become golden calves. If the Spirit of truth is ever leading and guiding man, we have various dispensations,...and there is no reason to believe that progressive revelation somehow ended when the NT was 'canonized'. (note that man chooses and arbitrates in the canonization process).

 

[freelight]

We have good copies. You looking for a way out so you can put ub above the Bible.

The Universal Father is above both, but each share a dispensation of truth in them

 

[freelight]

Logos and Spirit............

Logos and Spirit............

The doctrine of the infallibility of the scripture is fiction.

Granted, even some modern day evangelicals admit this much. As I shared before,....there is no warrant or necessity to assume 'infallibility of scripture' to give such writings their meaning or value. Has one's insecurity to have a religious anchor succumbed to creating a doctrine to preserve its integrity? Whatever truth, insight or wisdom a writing has, it will speak for itself, in its own context and by the Spirit communicating such truth to the soul. However, truth is living....it includes the full context of reality arising in each moment of existence. Therefore as Paul said,..."the letter kills but the Spirit gives life", showing that it is only the Spirit of truth and life that communicates itself as it is...using both written and spoken word. The logos is but the creative word, current or principle which the Spirit uses to breathe THRU. The written word obviously has its place, but only as the communication-vehicle, the outward form in which Spirit is to commune and translate itself. This goes for every spiritual-religious writing BTW,...the Bible or the UB does not have a special monopoly on Spirit, since you cannot contain or contract the INFINITE. - but as we shared,...each dispensation is afforded its own special significance or revelation for the time it is afforded.

 

[freelight]

reach for the stars......

reach for the stars......

New Age Moonbeams...sigh.

AMR

Well, the truth is you can only bear witness to one reality, that of your own existence. Nothing else (anything 'else' is but a concept, appearance or after-thought). What is real at heart, essentially...is Existence Itself. I am that (but am operating thru a 'personality'). All there is, is Consciousness.

All else is matter of one's own personal experience, modified, conditioned and effected by so many factors of influence, which happen to determine one's life path, and the current religious affiliation or school of thought one holds to at any point in space or time - besides that,..there is One Life, One Being, One Existence....which we may deem 'God' (or pick an equally descriptive term/name) as its eternal/infinite Source. Religious cults, traditions and belief-systems describe and explain their 'theology' in different ways, depending on point of view, philosophical grounds and traditioinal format (add here you own preferred holy book and artifacts) - If truth is living and dynamic,...and the Spirit of God is still revealing new things, progressive revelation will continue. There is no promise or guarantee that even one's own faith or belief about 'God' at any point in space or time could not change. One must be ever awake and alive to every moment.

 

[Caino]

2:0.2 The nature of God can be studied in a revelation of supreme ideas, the divine character can be envisaged as a portrayal of supernal ideals, but the most enlightening and spiritually edifying of all revelations of the divine nature is to be found in the comprehension of the religious life of Jesus of Nazareth, both before and after his attainment of full consciousness of divinity. If the incarnated life of Michael is taken as the background of the revelation of God to man, we may attempt to put in human word symbols certain ideas and ideals concerning the divine nature which may possibly contribute to a further illumination and unification of the human concept of the nature and the character of the personality of the Universal Father.

 

[TulipBee]

The doctrine of the infallibility of the scripture is fiction.

And ub told you so. Celestials loves to write fiction

 

[freelight]

hypostatic union

hypostatic union

2:0.2 The nature of God can be studied in a revelation of supreme ideas, the divine character can be envisaged as a portrayal of supernal ideals, but the most enlightening and spiritually edifying of all revelations of the divine nature is to be found in the comprehension of the religious life of Jesus of Nazareth, both before and after his attainment of full consciousness of divinity. If the incarnated life of Michael is taken as the background of the revelation of God to man, we may attempt to put in human word symbols certain ideas and ideals concerning the divine nature which may possibly contribute to a further illumination and unification of the human concept of the nature and the character of the personality of the Universal Father.

This is a wonderful portion from the first section of Paper 2 on the Nature of God here.

Hilighted in the very first paper is the more important feature of knowing God's nature over any moniker or 'name' that one may call the infinite Deity. 'God' is 'God', no matter what words are applied to Him....although some words are more fitting as descriptions.

1:1.1 Of all the names by which God the Father is known throughout the universes, those which designate him as the First Source and the Universe Center are most often encountered. The First Father is known by various names in different universes and in different sectors of the same universe. The names which the creature assigns to the Creator are much dependent on the creature's concept of the Creator. The First Source and Universe Center has never revealed himself by name, only by nature. If we believe that we are the children of this Creator, it is only natural that we should eventually call him Father. But this is the name of our own choosing, and it grows out of the recognition of our personal relationship with the First Source and Center.

The highest revelation of man's relationship to God portrayed in the papers is that of a loving Heavenly Father and we being his mortal children, and that 'God' is a divine personality, the Father of all personality, and all personalities. The papers give much attention to the wonderful and mysterious subject of 'personality'.

Furthermore, man may know God's nature by the indwelling of the divine Adjuster, an actual spirit-fragment of God himself, - that indwelling 'thought-adjuster' is an individualized essence of divinity abiding in the soul and is the 'seal' or 'promise' of immortality, if the soul should choose to 'fuse' with that spirit, in choosing to do God's will, whose will is life. Therefore the teaching of the 'thought-adjuster' is significant. - earlier criticism over the term 'thought-adjuster' has already been addressed,....the cosmetics of the term must be transcended by the spiritual understanding of a pure indwelling spirit. It just so happens that when the soul surrenders to the spirit of the Father within,....thoughts are adjusted to align or harmonize with that spirit. This is all the term indicates, and is the term given, hence its use.

Finally, the teaching of both the human and divine nature of Jesus is similar to the concept of 'hypostatic union' in orthodox Christian theology, so that this mystery of incarnation, or what the papers call his 'bestowal', still holds its wondrous import and value, as being the revelation of God in the flesh to our very world, although some aspects of this are understood a little differently. In this sense, the divinity and Lordship, even Creatorship of Jesus as the Creator-Son of this very universe is proclaimed and his sovereignty thru his victorious resurrection/ascension.

 

[TulipBee]

Real christians knows the Word is from God. This topic contains frequent denials that God can write.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Freelight and Caino are "Poor Lost Souls."

 

[freelight]

Real christians knows the Word is from God. This topic contains frequent denials that God can write.

The Spirit may inspire any vessel or channel that is open to its guidance, influence or direction. God the Spirit does no writing,...all must come thru human hands, hence via inspiration and revelation.

 

[TulipBee]

The Spirit may inspire any vessel or channel that is open to its guidance, influence or direction. God the Spirit does no writing,...all must come thru human hands, hence via inspiration and revelation.

Forced Thru to gareentee error free but ub blinded you to it but you can bang Apocrypha all you want since that one isn't inspired by God. Inspiration does not violate free will. *What if the person through whom God is working has been regenerated by the Holy Spirit and desires to have the Lord speak through him? Prov. 21:1 ,"The king's heart is like channels of water in the hand of the Lord; he turns it wherever He wishes." *This verse clearly states that God is able to work through an individual's "free will" to bring about what God desires.

 

[TulipBee]

The Urantia Book claims that the Bible was authored by "primitive" humans.* Consider this quote from page 60 as an example:

"Religious tradition is the imperfectly preserved record of the experiences of the God-knowing men of past ages, but such records are untrustworthy as guides for religious living or as the source of true information about the Universal Father. Such ancient beliefs have been invariably altered by the fact that primitive man was a mythmaker*“.

Christians can take great comfort in knowing with absolute certainty that this statement is false as far as the Bible is concerned.* There are several solid reasons for knowing that the Bible was written by men who were inspired by God Himself, and that it could not possibly have been authored by humans alone.* This is important for two reasons.* First, God gave us the Bible long before Satan gave us the Urantia book, and it contradicts the Urantia book on many significant doctrines. Second, the Bible contains many warnings about false doctrines (like the Urantia book), and spells out exactly how we are to identify and respond to them.*

 

[freelight]

Expanding consciousness.......

Expanding consciousness.......

Forced Thru to gareentee error free but ub blinded you to it but you can bang Apocrypha all you want since that one isn't inspired by God. Inspiration does not violate free will. *What if the person through whom God is working has been regenerated by the Holy Spirit and desires to have the Lord speak through him? Prov. 21:1 ,"The king's heart is like channels of water in the hand of the Lord; he turns it wherever He wishes." *This verse clearly states that God is able to work through an individual's "free will" to bring about what God desires.

God is an infinite Spirit Presence, who is prior to space and time, fills all space and time, as well as transcends all space and time. Consider the true definition of infinite - no finite mind or religious concept or cult-ure, therefore can have a monopoly on this infinite Love and LIGHT. Light fills all, is all...even though in this fold of space-time duality, thereis what appears to be darkness. Therefore, the omnipresence of 'God' even fills the darkness - to God in his absolute beingness, all is Light. - it is only in this play of duality, polarity, illusion...where there is good/evil conflicts, and all the maladies of space or time, but this is the risk of creation. - all polarities are ultimately resolved in the Supreme Being. - here we get to play in the realm of possibilities, because of potentials existing in creation. - hence the full spectrum of good and evil in human experience....but I digress.

Now considering divine providence and 'free will', the papers share much on the subject, if you're interested in engaging an actual discussion on it. The question is are you willing to really re-consider the subject with a new and open mind, not one already frozen in 'grid-lock' with prescribed theories or the shackles of religious dogma. To really engage a subject you have to look at it anew...each time.

These papers have original material, but there are also human sources that were used and expanded upon during the time of its transmission. Matthew block has researched the source-texts used in some places in the papers here. Remember, these revelators acknowledged using human source material upon which to elaborate and expand on. But some concepts and information is 'unique' within the revelation itself. All knowledge in any case is an expansion of already existing data.... all that has any meaning or definition in human language so far, and is therefore open to further elaboration and dimensions of understanding. Consciousness itself is free,...it is only the mind which might hinder, prevent or modify the broadening of intellect or expansion of spirit-insight.

 

[freelight]

have no fear.....plunge ahead......

have no fear.....plunge ahead......

The Urantia Book claims that the Bible was authored by "primitive" humans.* Consider this quote from page 60 as an example:

"Religious tradition is the imperfectly preserved record of the experiences of the God-knowing men of past ages, but such records are untrustworthy as guides for religious living or as the source of true information about the Universal Father. Such ancient beliefs have been invariably altered by the fact that primitive man was a mythmaker*“.

It might behoove you to actually read the entire Paper 4 on 'God's relation to the Universe', and that particular section from which you quote which is 4:5 (ERRONEOUS IDEAS OF GOD). Here are some passages just after your quote -

4:5.2 One of the greatest sources of confusion on Urantia concerning the nature of God grows out of the failure of your sacred books clearly to distinguish between the personalities of the Paradise Trinity and between Paradise Deity and the local universe creators and administrators. During the past dispensations of partial understanding, your priests and prophets failed clearly to differentiate between Planetary Princes, System Sovereigns, Constellation Fathers, Creator Sons, Superuniverse Rulers, the Supreme Being, and the Universal Father. Many of the messages of subordinate personalities, such as Life Carriers and various orders of angels, have been, in your records, presented as coming from God himself. Urantian religious thought still confuses the associate personalities of Deity with the Universal Father himself, so that all are included under one appellation.

4:5.3 The people of Urantia continue to suffer from the influence of primitive concepts of God. The gods who go on a rampage in the storm; who shake the earth in their wrath and strike down men in their anger; who inflict their judgments of displeasure in times of famine and flood—these are the gods of primitive religion; they are not the Gods who live and rule the universes. Such concepts are a relic of the times when men supposed that the universe was under the guidance and domination of the whims of such imaginary gods. But mortal man is beginning to realize that he lives in a realm of comparative law and order as far as concerns the administrative policies and conduct of the Supreme Creators and the Supreme Controllers.

4:5.4 The barbarous idea of appeasing an angry God, of propitiating an offended Lord, of winning the favor of Deity through sacrifices and penance and even by the shedding of blood, represents a religion wholly puerile and primitive, a philosophy unworthy of an enlightened age of science and truth. Such beliefs are utterly repulsive to the celestial beings and the divine rulers who serve and reign in the universes. It is an affront to God to believe, hold, or teach that innocent blood must be shed in order to win his favor or to divert the fictitious divine wrath.

You will not in 5:4.2 above,...that one reason for confusion on Urantia is that there are many different kinds of celestial beings or angels in the divine hierarchy, and those having contact with man have been confused with being 'God Almighty' or some other celestial being of a particular order, when such is not the case, so there is a degree of misrepresentation as far as that goes, plus other factors of influence which could affect the quality or usefulness of any transmission between such beings and man.

Christians can take great comfort in knowing with absolute certainty that this statement is false as far as the Bible is concerned.*

But you'd have to take that passage in its proper context. Oh, and don't forget, you cant monopolize an infinite Spirit and confine IT to one religious cult-ure or tradition

There are several solid reasons for knowing that the Bible was written by men who were inspired by God Himself, and that it could not possibly have been authored by humans alone.* This is important for two reasons.*

Promoted only by bible apologists or believers in the inerrancy of it. I've proposed that such a 'belief' is unnecessary, and this does not disqualify or discount any truth or wisdom found in the book.

First, God gave us the Bible long before Satan gave us the Urantia book, and it contradicts the Urantia book on many significant doctrines. Second, the Bible contains many warnings about false doctrines (like the Urantia book), and spells out exactly how we are to identify and respond to them.*

Readers can determine that for themselves by first learning what the UB actually teaches, which this thread serves as a helper in, to stimulate discussion on religious subjects. To me the UB is but a stimulus of mind and spirit, to inspire dialogue. On that note, its huge volume of material presents unlimited subject-material to explore. An open mind and curious spirit are essential in such a quest. Religious mental grid-lock can only retard a person's progress in learning more and exploring the wonder and beauty of infinity.

 

[Caino]

The Urantia Book claims that the Bible was authored by "primitive" humans.* Consider this quote from page 60 as an example:

"Religious tradition is the imperfectly preserved record of the experiences of the God-knowing men of past ages, but such records are untrustworthy as guides for religious living or as the source of true information about the Universal Father. Such ancient beliefs have been invariably altered by the fact that primitive man was a mythmaker*“.

Christians can take great comfort in knowing with absolute certainty that this statement is false as far as the Bible is concerned.* There are several solid reasons for knowing that the Bible was written by men who were inspired by God Himself, and that it could not possibly have been authored by humans alone.* This is important for two reasons.* First, God gave us the Bible long before Satan gave us the Urantia book, and it contradicts the Urantia book on many significant doctrines. Second, the Bible contains many warnings about false doctrines (like the Urantia book), and spells out exactly how we are to identify and respond to them.*

The Bible was inspired by the doings of God like books about the American civil war were inspired by the Civil war. Both were written by men and imperfect.

 

[Caino]

Forced Thru to gareentee error free but ub blinded you to it but you can bang Apocrypha all you want since that one isn't inspired by God. Inspiration does not violate free will. *What if the person through whom God is working has been regenerated by the Holy Spirit and desires to have the Lord speak through him? Prov. 21:1 ,"The king's heart is like channels of water in the hand of the Lord; he turns it wherever He wishes." *This verse clearly states that God is able to work through an individual's "free will" to bring about what God desires.

Gods Word does speak through the willing, but not everything man speaks is from God. The Bible contains errors and contradictions but idolatry blinds.