The Late Great Urantia Revelation

[Caino]

John the Baptist cont>

JOHN JOURNEYS SOUTH ​

135:10.1 Since Jesus had gone north into Galilee, John felt led to retrace his steps southward. Accordingly, on Sunday morning, March 3, John and the remainder of his disciples began their journey south. About one quarter of John’s immediate followers had meantime departed for Galilee in quest of Jesus. There was a sadness of confusion about John. He never again preached as he had before baptizing Jesus. He somehow felt that the responsibility of the coming kingdom was no longer on his shoulders. He felt that his work was almost finished; he was disconsolate and lonely. But he preached, baptized, and journeyed on southward.

135:10.2 Near the village of Adam, John tarried for several weeks, and it was here that he made the memorable attack upon Herod Antipas for unlawfully taking the wife of another man. By June of this year (A.D. 2 6) John was back at the Bethany ford of the Jordan, where he had begun his preaching of the coming kingdom more than a year previously. In the weeks following the baptism of Jesus the character of John’s preaching gradually changed into a proclamation of mercy for the common people, while he denounced with renewed vehemence the corrupt political and religious rulers.

135:10.3 Herod Antipas, in whose territory John had been preaching, became alarmed lest he and his disciples should start a rebellion. Herod also resented John’s public criticisms of his domestic affairs. In view of all this, Herod decided to put John in prison. Accordingly, very early in the morning of June 12, before the multitude arrived to hear the preaching and witness the baptizing, the agents of Herod placed John under arrest. As weeks passed and he was not released, his disciples scattered over all Palestine, many of them going into Galilee to join the followers of Jesus." UB1955

 

[freelight]

Savior of a system of worlds....

Savior of a system of worlds....

135:9.7 It was early on the morning of Sabbath, February 23, that the company of John, engaged in eating their morning meal, looked up toward the north and beheld Jesus coming to them. As he approached them, John stood upon a large rock and, lifting up his sonorous voice, said: “Behold the Son of God, the deliverer of the world! This is he of whom I have said, `After me there will come one who is preferred before me because he was before me.’ For this cause came I out of the wilderness to preach repentance and to baptize with water, proclaiming that the kingdom of heaven is at hand. And now comes one who shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit. And I beheld the divine spirit descending upon this man, and I heard the voice of God declare, `This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased.'”

UB1955

Note here, the UB says John says, "Behold the Son of God, the deliverer of the world!" instead of "lamb of God" as found in the gospel of John. - This may be in line with its view against Jesus being a 'blood-sacrifice', but it still holds that Jesus is our Savior and Deliverer, but there is nothing involving a 'blood-sacrifice' in this understanding, for Jesus saves by his sovereign lordship, eternal mercy, his victory over the fallen angels and his eternal commitment to his creation, to do all in his power to keep them and ensure their eternal survival and progress.

Jesus holds many titles -

119:8.8 Urantia is the sentimental shrine of all Nebadon, the chief of ten million inhabited worlds, the mortal home of Christ Michael, sovereign of all Nebadon, a Melchizedek minister to the realms, a system savior, an Adamic redeemer, a seraphic fellow, an associate of ascending spirits, a morontia progressor, a Son of Man in the likeness of mortal flesh, and the Planetary Prince of Urantia. And your record tells the truth when it says that this same Jesus has promised sometime to return to the world of his terminal bestowal, the World of the Cross.

Jesus is a 'system Savior' in that his sovereignty reigns over a 'system' of worlds.

15:2.3 1. The System. The basic unit of the supergovernment consists of about one thousand inhabited or inhabitable worlds. Blazing suns, cold worlds, planets too near the hot suns, and other spheres not suitable for creature habitation are not included in this group. These one thousand worlds adapted to support life are called a system, but in the younger systems only a comparatively small number of these worlds may be inhabited. Each inhabited planet is presided over by a Planetary Prince, and each local system has an architectural sphere as its headquarters and is ruled by a System Sovereign.

So Jesus is Lord over at least a 'system' (our world Urantia, being an inhabited planet within this 'system'), and further on outward, which includes constellations, which make up a 'local univese', etc. - more in great detail on this is in Paper 15 (The Seven Superuniverses).

To give an idea of the number of inhabited worlds -

Superuniverses............ 7
Major sectors............70
Minor sectors.......... 7,000
Local universes........ 700,000
Constellations........70,000,000
Local systems...... 7,000,000,000
Inhabitable planets. 7,000,000,000,000

15:2.11 Each of the seven superuniverses is constituted, approximately, as follows:

One system embraces, approximately........ 1,000 worlds
One constellation (100 systems)......... 100,000 worlds
One universe (100 constellations).......10,000,000 worlds
One minor sector (100 universes)..... 1,000,000,000 worlds
One major sector (100 minor sectors).. 100,000,000,000 worlds
One superuniverse (10 major sectors). 1,000,000,000,000 worlds

The UB presents a much more grand marvellous revelation of the Lordship of Jesus, since he is not only Lord and Creator of this planet, but of many worlds. He is Christ-Michael (Our Creator-Son), the Sovereign of this local universe Nebadon (a 'local univese' includes a total of 100 constellations!).

 

[Caino]

John the Baptist cont>

JOHN IN PRISON ​

135:11.1 John had a lonely and somewhat bitter experience in prison. Few of his followers were permitted to see him. He longed to see Jesus but had to be content with hearing of his work through those of his followers who had become believers in the Son of Man. He was often tempted to doubt Jesus and his divine mission. If Jesus were the Messiah, why did he do nothing to deliver him from this unbearable imprisonment? For more than a year and a half this rugged man of God’s outdoors languished in that despicable prison. And this experience was a great test of his faith in, and loyalty to, Jesus. Indeed, this whole experience was a great test of John’s faith even in God. Many times was he tempted to doubt even the genuineness of his own mission and experience.

135:11.2 After he had been in prison several months, a group of his disciples came to him and, after reporting concerning the public activities of Jesus, said: “So you see, Teacher, that he who was with you at the upper Jordan prospers and receives all who come to him. He even feasts with publicans and sinners. You bore courageous witness to him, and yet he does nothing to effect your deliverance.” But John answered his friends:

“This man can do nothing unless it has been given him by his Father in heaven. You well remember that I said, `I am not the Messiah, but I am one sent on before to prepare the way for him.’ And that I did. He who has the bride is the bridegroom, but the friend of the bridegroom who stands near by and hears him rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice. This, my joy, therefore is fulfilled. He must increase but I must decrease. I am of this earth and have declared my message. Jesus of Nazareth comes down to the earth from heaven and is above us all. The Son of Man has descended from God, and the words of God he will declare to you. For the Father in heaven gives not the spirit by measure to his own Son. The Father loves his Son and will presently put all things in the hands of this Son. He who believes in the Son has eternal life. And these words which I speak are true and abiding.” *

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135:11.3 These disciples were amazed at John’s pronouncement, so much so that they departed in silence. John was also much agitated, for he perceived that he had uttered a prophecy. Never again did he wholly doubt the mission and divinity of Jesus. But it was a sore disappointment to John that Jesus sent him no word, that he came not to see him, and that he exercised none of his great power to deliver him from prison. But Jesus knew all about this. He had great love for John, but being now cognizant of his divine nature and knowing fully the great things in preparation for John when he departed from this world and also knowing that John’s work on earth was finished, he constrained himself not to interfere in the natural outworking of the great preacher-prophet’s career.

135:11.4 This long suspense in prison was humanly unbearable. Just a few days before his death John again sent trusted messengers to Jesus, inquiring: “Is my work done? Why do I languish in prison? Are you truly the Messiah, or shall we look for another?” And when these two disciples gave this message to Jesus, the Son of Man replied: “Go back to John and tell him that I have not forgotten but to suffer me also this, for it becomes us to fulfill all righteousness. Tell John what you have seen and heard—that the poor have good tidings preached to them—and, finally, tell the beloved herald of my earth mission that he shall be abundantly blessed in the age to come if he finds no occasion to doubt and stumble over me.” And this was the last word John received from Jesus. This message greatly comforted him and did much to stabilize his faith and prepare him for the tragic end of his life in the flesh which followed so soon upon the heels of this memorable occasion." UB1955

 

[Caino]

John the Baptist cont>

DEATH OF JOHN THE BAPTIST ​

135:12.1 As John was working in southern Perea when arrested, he was taken immediately to the prison of the fortress of Machaerus, where he was incarcerated until his execution. Herod ruled over Perea as well as Galilee, and he maintained residence at this time at both Julias and Machaerus in Perea. In Galilee the official residence had been moved from Sepphoris to the new capital at Tiberias.

135:12.2 Herod feared to release John lest he instigate rebellion. He feared to put him to death lest the multitude riot in the capital, for thousands of Pereans believed that John was a holy man, a prophet. Therefore Herod kept the Nazarite preacher in prison, not knowing what else to do with him. Several times John had been before Herod, but never would he agree either to leave the domains of Herod or to refrain from all public activities if he were released. And this new agitation concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was steadily increasing, admonished Herod that it was no time to turn John loose. Besides, John was also a victim of the intense and bitter hatred of Herodias, Herod’s unlawful wife.

135:12.3 On numerous occasions Herod talked with John about the kingdom of heaven, and while sometimes seriously impressed with his message, he was afraid to release him from prison.

135:12.4 Since much building was still going on at Tiberias, Herod spent considerable time at his Perean residences, and he was partial to the fortress of Machaerus. It was a matter of several years before all the public buildings and the official residence at Tiberias were fully completed.

135:12.5 In celebration of his birthday Herod made a great feast in the Machaerian palace for his chief officers and other men high in the councils of the government of Galilee and Perea. Since Herodias had failed to bring about John’s death by direct appeal to Herod, she now set herself to the task of having John put to death by cunning planning.

135:12.6 In the course of the evening’s festivities and entertainment, Herodias presented her daughter to dance before the banqueters. Herod was very much pleased with the damsel’s performance and, calling her before him, said: “You are charming. I am much pleased with you. Ask me on this my birthday for whatever you desire, and I will give it to you, even to the half of my kingdom.” And Herod did all this while well under the influence of his many wines. The young lady drew aside and inquired of her mother what she should ask of Herod. Herodias said, “Go to Herod and ask for the head of John the Baptist.” And the young woman, returning to the banquet table, said to Herod, “I request that you forthwith give me the head of John the Baptist on a platter.”

135:12.7 Herod was filled with fear and sorrow, but because of his oath and because of all those who sat at meat with him, he would not deny the request. And Herod Antipas sent a soldier, commanding him to bring the head of John. So was John that night beheaded in the prison, the soldier bringing the head of the prophet on a platter and presenting it to the young woman at the rear of the banquet hall. And the damsel gave the platter to her mother. When John’s disciples heard of this, they came to the prison for the body of John, and after laying it in a tomb, they went and told Jesus." UB 1955

 

[Aimiel]

The UB presents a much more grand marvellous revelation of the Lordship of Jesus...

He cannot be your Lord unless you eat His Flesh and drink His Blood.


Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

 

[freelight]

He cannot be your Lord unless you eat His Flesh and drink His Blood.


Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

See: here

Remember, 'blood' and 'flesh' are symbolic.

Atonement in the UB

 

[Aimiel]

You're not alive but dead in your trespasses and sins. Repent!!!

 

[Caino]

Salvation is by faith and can be taken for granted by those who are faith sons and daughters of God. The Pagan add ons were in response to different sects and interpretations of Jesus. Jesus never actually said drink my blood and eat my flesh.

 

[Aimiel]

Jesus never actually said drink my blood and eat my flesh.

Liar.

 

[freelight]

Liar.

O get over yourself...... Only the gospel of John has this concept.... and its only symbolic. We've been over this already.

 

[Caino]

O get over yourself...... Only the gospel of John has this concept.... and its only symbolic. We've been over this already.

Atonement is the lazy mans religion.

 

[Aimiel]

O get over yourself...... Only the gospel of John has this concept.... and its only symbolic. We've been over this already.

All of Christianity hinges upon His Blood, shed to cleanse sin. His Body was given for our healing. His is The True Manna and True Fruit of the Vine. He is The Vine of which we are but branches. Your understanding is darkened. Open your eyes. REPENT!!!

 

[Aimiel]

Atonement is the lazy mans religion.

It's the only way one can be saved. REPENT!!!

 

[journey]

All of Christianity hinges upon His Blood, shed to cleanse sin. His Body was given for our healing. His is The True Manna and True Fruit of the Vine. He is The Vine of which we are but branches. Your understanding is darkened. Open your eyes. REPENT!!!

Urantia UFO cult members are not likely to even listen or read what we post in trying to help them. Their hearts are hardened against the truth of the Gospel of the Grace of God.

 

[freelight]

Stop being ignorant......

Stop being ignorant......

Ok

Urantia UFO cult members are not likely to even listen or read what we post in trying to help them. Their hearts are hardened against the truth of the Gospel of the Grace of God.

You've been corrected here about using the false term "ufo cult".

I've read all your posts here and responded appropriately to them. Have you done so with mine? Have you taken my challenge to read the first 5 papers so you can actually engage in an informed discussion on its fundamental theology? No you haven't.

If anyone needs "help" it may be your own narrow bigoted dogmatic mentality which has put 'God' in a box, by a prescribed theology. Sorry, you can limit the Infinite to your preferred version or particular concept of Deity...since the Infinite will always be more. 'God' can't be stuffed in a book.

3:1.1 The ability of the Universal Father to be everywhere present, and at the same time, constitutes his omnipresence. God alone can be in two places, in numberless places, at the same time. God is simultaneously present “in heaven above and on the earth beneath”; as the Psalmist exclaimed: “Whither shall I go from your spirit? or whither shall I flee from your presence?”

3:1.2 “`I am a God at hand as well as afar off,' says the Lord. `Do not I fill heaven and earth?'” The Universal Father is all the time present in all parts and in all hearts of his far-flung creation. He is “the fullness of him who fills all and in all,” and “who works all in all,” and further, the concept of his personality is such that “the heaven universe and heaven of heavens (universe of universes) cannot contain him.” It is literally true that God is all and in all. But even that is not all of God. The Infinite can be finally revealed only in infinity; the cause can never be fully comprehended by an analysis of effects; the living God is immeasurably greater than the sum total of creation that has come into being as a result of the creative acts of his unfettered free will. God is revealed throughout the cosmos, but the cosmos can never contain or encompass the entirety of the infinity of God.

Paper 3 - The Attributes of God

 

[Caino]

There was the gospel of Jesus that he preached publically for 3 years, the gospel that the Jews would be teaching today from Jerusalem if they hadn't rejected it and killed the Son. But then there is the new gospel about Jesus that developed after he was killed.

Christianity is largely a shadow of the original gospel of the kingdom of heaven, but like most people born into a ready-made religion, Christians were taught about Jesus second hand through others who were also taught the Pagan interpretations of human sacrifice, blood drinking and flesh eating.

Jesus repeatedly warned the Jews about rejecting his original gospel, his final statement can be seen in the "woes" when Jesus excoriated the Jewish Authorities in the Temple.

 

[journey]

The teaching of the urantia UFO cult is false and heresy. That's putting it mildly.

 

[freelight]

False testimony.....

False testimony.....

The teaching of the urantia UFO cult is false and heresy. That's putting it mildly.

You are still making the false claim of 'UFO cult' and being willfully ignorant or intellectually dishonest. Readers can see my rebuttal of your false claim here and elsewhere. You only discount yourself every time you use the term 'UFO cult' and haven't the wherewithal to actually engage in a dialogue on the contents itself since you refuse to read the material.

The last paper (Paper 196) is on 'The faith of Jesus' -

196:1.1 Jesus' devotion to the Father's will and the service of man was even more than mortal decision and human determination; it was a wholehearted consecration of himself to such an unreserved bestowal of love. No matter how great the fact of the sovereignty of Michael, you must not take the human Jesus away from men. The Master has ascended on high as a man, as well as God; he belongs to men; men belong to him. How unfortunate that religion itself should be so misinterpreted as to take the human Jesus away from struggling mortals! Let not the discussions of the humanity or the divinity of the Christ obscure the saving truth that Jesus of Nazareth was a religious man who, by faith, achieved the knowing and the doing of the will of God; he was the most truly religious man who has ever lived on Urantia.

196:1.2 The time is ripe to witness the figurative resurrection of the human Jesus from his burial tomb amidst the theological traditions and the religious dogmas of nineteen centuries. Jesus of Nazareth must not be longer sacrificed to even the splendid concept of the glorified Christ. What a transcendent service if, through this revelation, the Son of Man should be recovered from the tomb of traditional theology and be presented as the living Jesus to the church that bears his name, and to all other religions! Surely the Christian fellowship of believers will not hesitate to make such adjustments of faith and of practices of living as will enable it to “follow after” the Master in the demonstration of his real life of religious devotion to the doing of his Father's will and of consecration to the unselfish service of man. Do professed Christians fear the exposure of a self-sufficient and unconsecrated fellowship of social respectability and selfish economic maladjustment? Does institutional Christianity fear the possible jeopardy, or even the overthrow, of traditional ecclesiastical authority if the Jesus of Galilee is reinstated in the minds and souls of mortal men as the ideal of personal religious living? Indeed, the social readjustments, the economic transformations, the moral rejuvenations, and the religious revisions of Christian civilization would be drastic and revolutionary if the living religion of Jesus should suddenly supplant the theologic religion about Jesus.

196:1.3 To “follow Jesus” means to personally share his religious faith and to enter into the spirit of the Master's life of unselfish service for man. One of the most important things in human living is to find out what Jesus believed, to discover his ideals, and to strive for the achievement of his exalted life purpose. Of all human knowledge, that which is of greatest value is to know the religious life of Jesus and how he lived it.

If you would judge a book, first you have know and understand it's contents....lest you be found to be ignorant or presumptuous.

 

[Aimiel]

It is ignorance not recognizing Urantia as plagiarized, Cultish, UFO oriented demonic dregs.

 

[journey]

It is ignorance not recognizing Urantia as plagiarized, Cultish, UFO oriented demonic dregs.

This sums it up accurately and nicely. Get me some medical attention if you catch me studying urantia UFO cult garbage. It will mean that I've either had a stroke or lost my mind. Reading a comic book would be more meaningful and productive.