The Late Great Urantia Revelation
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We are not in the dark like he is
Joh 3:19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.
Most people rejected Jesus out of hand. The Jews still do using their scripture. The trolls on this thread are moral cowards incapable of mature understanding of the UB so they are left to dishonesty.
Most people are stupid. :rapture:
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Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?
So there was a division among the people because of him.(the house of moses&the house of David) enemies to the throne.
And some of them would have taken him; but no man laid hands on him. so the roman empire government did!and they conquered the children of the truth. an created stupid.
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most people love darkness
Joh_3:19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.
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most people love darkness
Joh_3:19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.
one problem the roman empire twisted themselves to resemble the lightness quote.. government can do that by making thinking new law...how you think an believe..suffering an violent turbulent time, while changing everything around you to agree with a few wealthy bums on seats..
the book of romans..to romans..teaching the romans the new roman belief...
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The only trolls on this thread are you and freelight. A mature understanding of the ub is like a mature understanding of Marvin the Martian's cartoon. The difference is that Marvin the Martian is more intellectual and closer to the truth.
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Insights from the higher view......
Insights from the higher view......
Many in his own day, and today. Of course Orthodox Jews do, because Jesus did not fulfill most if not all of their Messianic requirements/expectations, hence according to their scriptures and traditions, they are justified in doing so. While NT believers quote a lot of so called 'messianic' scriptures from the OT making such refer to Jesus, orthodox Jewish anti-missionary ministries can explain and refute those claims, which they do fairly well from their perspective.
Definitely. They have no other alternative but to turn to slander, ad homenims, intellectual dishonesty, trash-talk to protect their 'theology' which they 'feel' is threatened in some way by an open discussion of the UB (no harm done, since the UB enhances and broadens the religious field of values and meaning from within a greater cosmological context), which comprehensively covers religion, science and philosophy, expanding one's vision of reality in its totality, on all levels and in all dimensions. The abject ignorance and misinformation here is not so much astounding as it is 'typical' for one with an 'apologetic' stand against a 'perceived' enemy. Of course this is all in one's mind and nowhere else, and it remains for anyone to prove otherwise.
Hats off to TOL for allowing all appropriate topics & subjects pertaining to 'religion' in the 'Religion' section. What I've shared from a liberal objective & subjective view on the UB stands and refutes those still claiming (after all rebuttals) that the UB is a 'UFO Cult',....no, lets repeat this again,...the UB is a 'book' and there is no official 'cult' or 'church' that the UB sanctions or endorses (since its a universal message to all mankind, and that is all). The only reason I'm here helping with the discussion is because of my involvement with the book, an interesting part of my spiritual journey, and its by no means the only religious book that has been a part of my journey. For a picture of past threads and discussions during my sojourn here on TOL, see here.
The sadness here is in those refusing to actually engage discussion on pertinent religious subjects discussed in the papers, and a continual barrage of nay-saying, polemics and typical demonizing that seems to go along with religionists holding a rigid belief-system, excluding anything outside their narrow view of reality as from the devil. Well, this is far from novel, at least be original, or better yet....engage in some creative dialogue,...it would make your presentation more interesting, instead of antagonistic and depressing.
As far as intellectual honesty goes, a few here most obviously don't have it, for they would then have to admit they were mistaken or presuming things (on the "UFO cult" thing at least), and religious pride cant allow that, or at least has stood in the way, lest they actually research facts shared freely here that prove their claims wrong/misguided. A brick house is hard to fall, and a closed mind even harder to penetrate. But there you have it folks.
Insights from the higher view......
Many in his own day, and today. Of course Orthodox Jews do, because Jesus did not fulfill most if not all of their Messianic requirements/expectations, hence according to their scriptures and traditions, they are justified in doing so. While NT believers quote a lot of so called 'messianic' scriptures from the OT making such refer to Jesus, orthodox Jewish anti-missionary ministries can explain and refute those claims, which they do fairly well from their perspective.
Definitely. They have no other alternative but to turn to slander, ad homenims, intellectual dishonesty, trash-talk to protect their 'theology' which they 'feel' is threatened in some way by an open discussion of the UB (no harm done, since the UB enhances and broadens the religious field of values and meaning from within a greater cosmological context), which comprehensively covers religion, science and philosophy, expanding one's vision of reality in its totality, on all levels and in all dimensions. The abject ignorance and misinformation here is not so much astounding as it is 'typical' for one with an 'apologetic' stand against a 'perceived' enemy. Of course this is all in one's mind and nowhere else, and it remains for anyone to prove otherwise.
Hats off to TOL for allowing all appropriate topics & subjects pertaining to 'religion' in the 'Religion' section. What I've shared from a liberal objective & subjective view on the UB stands and refutes those still claiming (after all rebuttals) that the UB is a 'UFO Cult',....no, lets repeat this again,...the UB is a 'book' and there is no official 'cult' or 'church' that the UB sanctions or endorses (since its a universal message to all mankind, and that is all). The only reason I'm here helping with the discussion is because of my involvement with the book, an interesting part of my spiritual journey, and its by no means the only religious book that has been a part of my journey. For a picture of past threads and discussions during my sojourn here on TOL, see here.
The sadness here is in those refusing to actually engage discussion on pertinent religious subjects discussed in the papers, and a continual barrage of nay-saying, polemics and typical demonizing that seems to go along with religionists holding a rigid belief-system, excluding anything outside their narrow view of reality as from the devil. Well, this is far from novel, at least be original, or better yet....engage in some creative dialogue,...it would make your presentation more interesting, instead of antagonistic and depressing.
As far as intellectual honesty goes, a few here most obviously don't have it, for they would then have to admit they were mistaken or presuming things (on the "UFO cult" thing at least), and religious pride cant allow that, or at least has stood in the way, lest they actually research facts shared freely here that prove their claims wrong/misguided. A brick house is hard to fall, and a closed mind even harder to penetrate. But there you have it folks.
most people love darkness
Joh_3:19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.
THE SECOND DISCOURSE ON RELIGION
155:6.1 "And so, while they paused in the shade of the hillside, Jesus continued to teach them regarding the religion of the spirit, in substance saying:
155:6.2 You have come out from among those of your fellows who choose to remain satisfied with a religion of mind, who crave security and prefer conformity. You have elected to exchange your feelings of authoritative certainty for the assurances of the spirit of adventurous and progressive faith. You have dared to protest against the grueling bondage of institutional religion and to reject the authority of the traditions of record which are now regarded as the word of God. Our Father did indeed speak through Moses, Elijah, Isaiah, Amos, and Hosea, but he did not cease to minister words of truth to the world when these prophets of old made an end of their utterances. My Father is no respecter of races or generations in that the word of truth is vouchsafed one age and withheld from another. Commit not the folly of calling that divine which is wholly human, and fail not to discern the words of truth which come not through the traditional oracles of supposed inspiration.
155:6.3 I have called upon you to be born again, to be born of the spirit. I have called you out of the darkness of authority and the lethargy of tradition into the transcendent light of the realization of the possibility of making for yourselves the greatest discovery possible for the human soul to make—the supernal experience of finding God for yourself, in yourself, and of yourself, and of doing all this as a fact in your own personal experience. And so may you pass from death to life, from the authority of tradition to the experience of knowing God; thus will you pass from darkness to light, from a racial faith inherited to a personal faith achieved by actual experience; and thereby will you progress from a theology of mind handed down by your ancestors to a true religion of spirit which shall be built up in your souls as an eternal endowment.
155:6.4 Your religion shall change from the mere intellectual belief in traditional authority to the actual experience of that living faith which is able to grasp the reality of God and all that relates to the divine spirit of the Father. The religion of the mind ties you hopelessly to the past; the religion of the spirit consists in progressive revelation and ever beckons you on toward higher and holier achievements in spiritual ideals and eternal realities.
155:6.5 While the religion of authority may impart a present feeling of settled security, you pay for such a transient satisfaction the price of the loss of your spiritual freedom and religious liberty. My Father does not require of you as the price of entering the kingdom of heaven that you should force yourself to subscribe to a belief in things which are spiritually repugnant, unholy, and untruthful. It is not required of you that your own sense of mercy, justice, and truth should be outraged by submission to an outworn system of religious forms and ceremonies. The religion of the spirit leaves you forever free to follow the truth wherever the leadings of the spirit may take you. And who can judge—perhaps this spirit may have something to impart to this generation which other generations have refused to hear?
155:6.6 Shame on those false religious teachers who would drag hungry souls back into the dim and distant past and there leave them! And so are these unfortunate persons doomed to become frightened by every new discovery, while they are discomfited by every new revelation of truth. The prophet who said, “He will be kept in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on God.” was not a mere intellectual believer in authoritative theology. This truth-knowing human had discovered God; he was not merely talking about God.
155:6.7 I admonish you to give up the practice of always quoting the prophets of old and praising the heroes of Israel, and instead aspire to become living prophets of the Most High and spiritual heroes of the coming kingdom. To honor the God-knowing leaders of the past may indeed be worth while, but why, in so doing, should you sacrifice the supreme experience of human existence: finding God for yourselves and knowing him in your own souls?
155:6.8 Every race of mankind has its own mental outlook upon human existence; therefore must the religion of the mind ever run true to these various racial viewpoints. Never can the religions of authority come to unification. Human unity and mortal brotherhood can be achieved only by and through the superendowment of the religion of the spirit. Racial minds may differ, but all mankind is indwelt by the same divine and eternal spirit. The hope of human brotherhood can only be realized when, and as, the divergent mind religions of authority become impregnated with, and overshadowed by, the unifying and ennobling religion of the spirit—the religion of personal spiritual experience.
155:6.9 The religions of authority can only divide men and set them in conscientious array against each other; the religion of the spirit will progressively draw men together and cause them to become understandingly sympathetic with one another. The religions of authority require of men uniformity in belief, but this is impossible of realization in the present state of the world. The religion of the spirit requires only unity of experience—uniformity of destiny—making full allowance for diversity of belief. The religion of the spirit requires only uniformity of insight, not uniformity of viewpoint and outlook. The religion of the spirit does not demand uniformity of intellectual views, only unity of spirit feeling. The religions of authority crystallize into lifeless creeds; the religion of the spirit grows into the increasing joy and liberty of ennobling deeds of loving service and merciful ministration.
155:6.10 But watch, lest any of you look with disdain upon the children of Abraham because they have fallen on these evil days of traditional barrenness. Our forefathers gave themselves up to the persistent and passionate search for God, and they found him as no other whole race of men have ever known him since the times of Adam, who knew much of this as he was himself a Son of God. My Father has not failed to mark the long and untiring struggle of Israel, ever since the days of Moses, to find God and to know God. For weary generations the Jews have not ceased to toil, sweat, groan, travail, and endure the sufferings and experience the sorrows of a misunderstood and despised people, all in order that they might come a little nearer the discovery of the truth about God. And, notwithstanding all the failures and falterings of Israel, our fathers progressively, from Moses to the times of Amos and Hosea, did reveal increasingly to the whole world an ever clearer and more truthful picture of the eternal God. And so was the way prepared for the still greater revelation of the Father which you have been called to share.
155:6.11 Never forget there is only one adventure which is more satisfying and thrilling than the attempt to discover the will of the living God, and that is the supreme experience of honestly trying to do that divine will. And fail not to remember that the will of God can be done in any earthly occupation. Some callings are not holy and others secular. All things are sacred in the lives of those who are spirit led; that is, subordinated to truth, ennobled by love, dominated by mercy, and restrained by fairness — justice. The spirit which my Father and I shall send into the world is not only the Spirit of Truth but also the spirit of idealistic beauty.
155:6.12 You must cease to seek for the word of God only on the pages of the olden records of theologic authority. Those who are born of the spirit of God shall henceforth discern the word of God regardless of whence it appears to take origin. Divine truth must not be discounted because the channel of its bestowal is apparently human. Many of your brethren have minds which accept the theory of God while they spiritually fail to realize the presence of God. And that is just the reason why I have so often taught you that the kingdom of heaven can best be realized by acquiring the spiritual attitude of a sincere child. It is not the mental immaturity of the child that I commend to you but rather the spiritual simplicity of such an easy-believing and fully-trusting little one. It is not so important that you should know about the fact of God as that you should increasingly grow in the ability to feel the presence of God.
155:6.13 When you once begin to find God in your soul, presently you will begin to discover him in other men's souls and eventually in all the creatures and creations of a mighty universe. But what chance does the Father have to appear as a God of supreme loyalties and divine ideals in the souls of men who give little or no time to the thoughtful contemplation of such eternal realities? While the mind is not the seat of the spiritual nature, it is indeed the gateway thereto.
155:6.14 But do not make the mistake of trying to prove to other men that you have found God; you cannot consciously produce such valid proof, albeit there are two positive and powerful demonstrations of the fact that you are God-knowing, and they are:
1. The fruits of the spirit of God showing forth in your daily routine life.
2. The fact that your entire life plan furnishes positive proof that you have unreservedly risked everything you are and have on the adventure of survival after death in the pursuit of the hope of finding the God of eternity, whose presence you have foretasted in time.
155:6.17 Now, mistake not, my Father will ever respond to the faintest flicker of faith. He takes note of the physical and superstitious emotions of the primitive man. And with those honest but fearful souls whose faith is so weak that it amounts to little more than an intellectual conformity to a passive attitude of assent to religions of authority, the Father is ever alert to honor and foster even all such feeble attempts to reach out for him. But you who have been called out of darkness into the light are expected to believe with a whole heart; your faith shall dominate the combined attitudes of body, mind, and spirit.
155:6.18 You are my apostles, and to you religion shall not become a theologic shelter to which you may flee in fear of facing the rugged realities of spiritual progress and idealistic adventure; but rather shall your religion become the fact of real experience which testifies that God has found you, idealized, ennobled, and spiritualized you, and that you have enlisted in the eternal adventure of finding the God who has thus found and sonshipped you.
155:6.19 And when Jesus had finished speaking, he beckoned to Andrew and, pointing to the west toward Phoenicia, said: “Let us be on our way.”
The Spirit of Truth
"Do not overlook the fact that the Spirit of Truth was bestowed upon all sincere believers; this gift of the spirit did not come only to the apostles. The one hundred and twenty men and women assembled in the upper chamber all received the new teacher, as did all the honest of heart throughout the whole world. This new teacher was bestowed upon mankind, and every soul received him in accordance with the love for truth and the capacity to grasp and comprehend spiritual realities. At last, true religion is delivered from the custody of priests and all sacred classes and finds its real manifestation in the individual souls of men." UB 1955
The bible tells us that there are celestial beings that lies
That is true. As far as we know the lying celestials were taken away after Jesus left with the exception of the fallen "prince of this world" He was the "crafty beast". We don't know if his case has been adjudicated yet or not. His name was Caligastia. Under Lucifer in authority, it was Caligastia that lead this world into rebellion against the rule of the Father. That occurred roughly 200,000 years ago, before Adam and Eve arrived.
This is what we know of his status as of the time of the UB revelation:
"Caligastia was recognized by the Son of Man as the technical Prince of Urantia up to near the time of his death. Said Jesus: “Now is the judgment of this world; now shall the prince of this world be cast down.” And then still nearer the completion of his lifework he announced, “The prince of this world is judged.” And it is this same dethroned and discredited Prince who was once termed “God of Urantia.”
53:8.6 The last act of Michael before leaving Urantia was to offer mercy to Caligastia and Daligastia, but they spurned his tender proffer. Caligastia, your apostate Planetary Prince, is still free on Urantia to prosecute his nefarious designs, but he has absolutely no power to enter the minds of men, neither can he draw near to their souls to tempt or corrupt them unless they really desire to be cursed with his wicked presence.
53:8.7 Before the bestowal of Michael these rulers of darkness sought to maintain their authority on Urantia, and they persistently withstood the minor and subordinate celestial personalities. But since the day of Pentecost this traitorous Caligastia and his equally contemptible associate, Daligastia, are servile before the divine majesty of the Paradise Thought Adjusters and the protective Spirit of Truth, the spirit of Michael, which has been poured out upon all flesh.
53:8.8 But even so, no fallen spirit ever did have the power to invade the minds or to harass the souls of the children of God. Neither Satan nor Caligastia could ever touch or approach the faith sons of God; faith is an effective armor against sin and iniquity. It is true: “He who is born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one touches him not.”
53:8.9 In general, when weak and dissolute mortals are supposed to be under the influence of devils and demons, they are merely being dominated by their own inherent and debased tendencies, being led away by their own natural propensities. The devil has been given a great deal of credit for evil which does not belong to him. Caligastia has been comparatively impotent since the cross of Christ." UB 1955
53:8.6 The last act of Michael before leaving Urantia was to offer mercy to Caligastia and Daligastia, but they spurned his tender proffer. Caligastia, your apostate Planetary Prince, is still free on Urantia to prosecute his nefarious designs, but he has absolutely no power to enter the minds of men, neither can he draw near to their souls to tempt or corrupt them unless they really desire to be cursed with his wicked presence.
53:8.7 Before the bestowal of Michael these rulers of darkness sought to maintain their authority on Urantia, and they persistently withstood the minor and subordinate celestial personalities. But since the day of Pentecost this traitorous Caligastia and his equally contemptible associate, Daligastia, are servile before the divine majesty of the Paradise Thought Adjusters and the protective Spirit of Truth, the spirit of Michael, which has been poured out upon all flesh.
53:8.8 But even so, no fallen spirit ever did have the power to invade the minds or to harass the souls of the children of God. Neither Satan nor Caligastia could ever touch or approach the faith sons of God; faith is an effective armor against sin and iniquity. It is true: “He who is born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one touches him not.”
53:8.9 In general, when weak and dissolute mortals are supposed to be under the influence of devils and demons, they are merely being dominated by their own inherent and debased tendencies, being led away by their own natural propensities. The devil has been given a great deal of credit for evil which does not belong to him. Caligastia has been comparatively impotent since the cross of Christ." UB 1955
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true discourses on 'religion'
true discourses on 'religion'
You know, I gather most liberal/progressive (even some conservative) believers in Jesus would agree with this discourse in spirit and principle. However, it appears some would reject it outright because its in the UB. (go figure) - that's the quandary here, since a liberal more eclectic person, or one who does not hold an exclusivist view or dogmatic belief in any one religious book or denomination, would look at the content of what is being shared, and use their own conscience, reason, logic and spiritual intelligence in understanding/valuing it. Remember, on principle alone, which is what Jesus wholly teaches as the religion of the spirit, in contrast to the religion of the mind only (focused on tradition, rote, creed, rituals/programs).
This and the other discourses on 'religion' in Part 4 by Jesus are some of the most important significant teachings which are the core of the 5th epochal revelation to the planet, so why these enhanced and expanded teachings of the kingdom of heaven are rejected by any Jesus-follower is rather peculiar :idunno:
See: the Religion of Jesus
It would be tantamount to learn what the actual 'religion of Jesus' was/is...and practice that, if one is to identify as a disciple of Jesus.
true discourses on 'religion'
You know, I gather most liberal/progressive (even some conservative) believers in Jesus would agree with this discourse in spirit and principle. However, it appears some would reject it outright because its in the UB. (go figure) - that's the quandary here, since a liberal more eclectic person, or one who does not hold an exclusivist view or dogmatic belief in any one religious book or denomination, would look at the content of what is being shared, and use their own conscience, reason, logic and spiritual intelligence in understanding/valuing it. Remember, on principle alone, which is what Jesus wholly teaches as the religion of the spirit, in contrast to the religion of the mind only (focused on tradition, rote, creed, rituals/programs).
This and the other discourses on 'religion' in Part 4 by Jesus are some of the most important significant teachings which are the core of the 5th epochal revelation to the planet, so why these enhanced and expanded teachings of the kingdom of heaven are rejected by any Jesus-follower is rather peculiar :idunno:
See: the Religion of Jesus
It would be tantamount to learn what the actual 'religion of Jesus' was/is...and practice that, if one is to identify as a disciple of Jesus.
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There is no mystery why Christians reject the urantia book and the urantia UFO cult. It's based on a plagiarized and gross distortion of the Holy Bible. It will never be accepted by real Christians. For one, it denies the purpose and power of the Cross - the blood atonement by Jesus Christ.
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