The Late Great Urantia Revelation

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Caino

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Impressive but how do you account for the 100,000 year difference from the article and the UB account? Is it just that its 'pretty close'? (okay, I just saw the UB puts the migration to England a bit earlier, and does account for flint being the primary use for weapons/tools. You can add more on this if you'd like).

Paper 64 - The Evolutionary Races of Color

My former comment about the earth and human ancestors being beyond 6 - 10,000 years old, was a crack at 'young earth creationism' ;)



pj

I would just reemphasize that the settlements that have been discovered on England's coast would be the later ones because the early ones are under water. It's science that needs to catch up to the UB. :cool:


(719.9) 64:2.6 Though the remains of the Foxhall peoples were the last to be discovered in England, these Andonites were really the first human beings to live in those regions. At that time the land bridge still connected France with England; and since most of the early settlements of the Andon descendants were located along the rivers and seashores of that early day, they are now under the waters of the English Channel and the North Sea, but some three or four are still above water on the English coast.
 

freelight

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go to the heart.......

go to the heart.......

The UB is obviously bunk,

The same could be said of the Bible or any other religious books written by many different authors...within any given tradition or cult-ure.

The first 3 papers on 'God' have been shared here in video-audio format for one's convenience,...if you have any criticism on these dissertations upon 'God', you're free to intelligently engage such a discussion. However, readers can see your track-record here thru-out the entire thread, for a snap-shot in that dept. One can always have a change of mind.

The 'concept' of 'God', his divine nature, character and 'personality' are highly and most illustriously described in the papers, since The Universal Father is the First Source and Center of all reality, and naturally the original fount of all creation. 'God' is also portrayed as a 'Trinity', the original associative 'Godhead' or compound unity of 3 divine personalities uniquely constituted, differentiated, yet still One. This description of the 'Paradise Trinity' expands on what Orthodox Christianity has conceived of a tri-une Deity, yet adds its own special revelation of the Trinity in its relationship with all other divine personalities and subordinate spirits within the hierarchy. Its a system-revelation, expanding cosmic comprehension levels to this age and the ones ahead of us, there being yet more to be revealed as not all is revealed in each dispensation of revelation, as there is more in the vast potential of infinity to unfold.




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Aimiel

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The same could be said of the Bible or any other religious books written by many different authors...within any given tradition or cult-ure.
Yes, but God's Word proves true. Jesus (Who is Truth) said that God's Word is Truth. He was referring to Scripture, as well as God's Rhema Words. Taking the words of a demon and then pretending that they are from God (which is what you have to do to believe in the UB) is sheer foolishness.
The first 3 papers on 'God' have been shared here in video-audio format for one's convenience,...if you have any criticism on these dissertations upon 'God', you're free to intelligently engage such a discussion. However, readers can see your track-record here thru-out the entire thread, for a snap-shot in that dept. One can always have a change of mind.
One could always change one's mind and play for the other team, you're quite right. Anyone can be saved, just as anyone can fall from grace. My hope here is that you'll be saved. I also hope that anyone who reads this thread realizes the truth about the UB: it doesn't come from above.
The 'concept' of 'God', his divine nature, character and 'personality' are highly and most illustriously described in the papers, since The Universal Father is the First Source and Center of all reality, and naturally the original fount of all creation.
That doesn't mean that He has anything to do with the authorship of the fictional works (the UB).
 

freelight

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Relating knowledge......

Relating knowledge......

Yes, but God's Word proves true. Jesus (Who is Truth) said that God's Word is Truth. He was referring to Scripture, as well as God's Rhema Words.

Part 4 of the papers agrees with much of the NT record of Jesus teaching, yet expands and focuses such a 'gospel' on the concept of the kingdom of 'God' whose foundation is built upon the 'Fatherhood of God & Brotherhood of Man'. It is a social-gospel ethic built upon that principle of love and service to others. Jesus does quote from older Jewish scripture to illustrate certain principles, yet also introduces teachings that challenged the current religious beliefs and concepts, and replaces them with a new principle of understanding and practice. He was a revolutionary in that respect.

Taking the words of a demon and then pretending that they are from God (which is what you have to do to believe in the UB) is sheer foolishness.

The UB has nothing to do with the 'demon' you mention, that being your own 'belief'. The Papers claim to be authored by various celestial personalities using a base of human knowledge and concepts present at that time.

Again, as stated so many times before, you'd have to first specify what concept or characterization of 'God' taught in the UB is wrong and offer a better presentation of such, if you'd like to square off on a level playing field, since the UB upholds a pure foundation and theology built upon the eternal and infinite nature of Deity, from which and by which all things consist. No matter the story of its miraclulous transmission-process orchestrated by celestial ministers thru a human medium and 'contact-commission',...or the cosmological-template which is expanded to give the mind a wider-template in which to reference universe truths and cosmic principles, it is the information and its relative value and meanings that are essential to the whole of it, as an 'epochal revelation'.

One could always change one's mind and play for the other team, you're quite right. Anyone can be saved, just as anyone can fall from grace. My hope here is that you'll be saved.

The sentiments are shared, although being 'saved' could be defined or understood differently depending on one's theology.

I also hope that anyone who reads this thread realizes the truth about the UB: it doesn't come from above.

A book is to be judged by its content.

That doesn't mean that He has anything to do with the authorship of the fictional works (the UB).

'God' is 'God'. One Absolute. - all else is of relative value, definition or meaning, in a realm of space-time relativity or perception, as long as ideas, forms, subjects or objects can be related in anyway. Such is life and knowledge, as it "relates".



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Aimiel

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Part 4 of the papers agrees with much of the NT record of Jesus teaching, yet expands and focuses such a 'gospel' ...
Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
The UB has nothing to do with the 'demon' you mention, that being your own 'belief'. The Papers claim to be authored by various celestial personalities using a base of human knowledge and concepts present at that time.
Potato / Potatoe. It's a demon. :duh:
Again, as stated so many times before, you'd have to first specify what concept or characterization of 'God' taught in the UB is wrong and offer a better presentation of such, if you'd like to square off on a level playing field, since the UB upholds a pure foundation and theology built upon the eternal and infinite nature of Deity, from which and by which all things consist.
Saying that God is the same god the UB describes doesn't make your god into God. It is a false god: Jebus, pictured in the UB, not Christ Jesus.
No matter the story of its miraclulous transmission-process orchestrated by celestial ministers thru a human medium and 'contact-commission',...or the cosmological-template which is expanded to give the mind a wider-template in which to reference universe truths and cosmic principles, it is the information and its relative value and meanings that are essential to the whole of it, as an 'epochal revelation'.
It is a whole lie because it is half-truth, plagiarized from Scripture.
The sentiments are shared, although being 'saved' could be defined or understood differently depending on one's theology.
When one is saved one does not attack The Holy Scriptures.
A book is to be judged by its content.
The content defies Scripture. It makes a mockery of God. It is not from above.
'God' is 'God'. One Absolute. - all else is of relative value, definition or meaning, in a realm of space-time relativity or perception, as long as ideas, forms, subjects or objects can be related in anyway. Such is life and knowledge, as it "relates".
:blabla:
 

PneumaPsucheSoma

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Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.Potato / Potatoe. It's a demon. :duh:Saying that God is the same god the UB describes doesn't make your god into God. It is a false god: Jebus, pictured in the UB, not Christ Jesus.It is a whole lie because it is half-truth, plagiarized from Scripture.When one is saved one does not attack The Holy Scriptures.The content defies Scripture. It makes a mockery of God. It is not from above.:blabla:

Notice they have no comprehension of the difference between soul and spirit, the former being the foundation of their god as consciousness, etc.

That's because only THE Logos pierces to the dividing asunder of them. They can't do anything but soulically equivocate and interpose one for the other.

Pure demonic modern historical revisionism with plenty of B-movie content. Adventism run amok. A tentacle of prelest derived from Kabbalah.
 

Caino

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(1768.5) 159:4.9 “But the greatest error of the teaching about the Scriptures is the doctrine of their being sealed books of mystery and wisdom which only the wise minds of the nation dare to interpret. The revelations of divine truth are not sealed except by human ignorance, bigotry, and narrow-minded intolerance. The light of the Scriptures is only dimmed by prejudice and darkened by superstition. A false fear of sacredness has prevented religion from being safeguarded by common sense. The fear of the authority of the sacred writings of the past effectively prevents the honest souls of today from accepting the new light of the gospel, the light which these very God-knowing men of another generation so intensely longed to see.

(1769.1) 159:4.10 “But the saddest feature of all is the fact that some of the teachers of the sanctity of this traditionalism know this very truth. They more or less fully understand these limitations of Scripture, but they are moral cowards, intellectually dishonest. They know the truth regarding the sacred writings, but they prefer to withhold such disturbing facts from the people. And thus do they pervert and distort the Scriptures, making them the guide to slavish details of the daily life and an authority in things nonspiritual instead of appealing to the sacred writings as the repository of the moral wisdom, religious inspiration, and the spiritual teaching of the God-knowing men of other generations.” Jesus
 

Caino

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The Tree of Life


(825.6) 73:6.1 In the center of the Garden temple Van planted the long-guarded tree of life, whose leaves were for the “healing of the nations,” and whose fruit had so long sustained him on earth. Van well knew that Adam and Eve would also be dependent on this gift of Edentia for their life maintenance after they once appeared on Urantia in material form.

(825.7) 73:6.2 The Material Sons on the system capitals do not require the tree of life for sustenance. Only in the planetary repersonalization are they dependent on this adjunct to physical immortality.

(825.8) 73:6.3 The “tree of the knowledge of good and evil” may be a figure of speech, a symbolic designation covering a multitude of human experiences, but the “tree of life” was not a myth; it was real and for a long time was present on Urantia. When the Most Highs of Edentia approved the commission of Caligastia as Planetary Prince of Urantia and those of the one hundred Jerusem citizens as his administrative staff, they sent to the planet, by the Melchizedeks, a shrub of Edentia, and this plant grew to be the tree of life on Urantia. This form of nonintelligent life is native to the constellation headquarters spheres, being also found on the headquarters worlds of the local and superuniverses as well as on the Havona spheres, but not on the system capitals.

(826.1) 73:6.4 This superplant stored up certain space-energies which were antidotal to the age-producing elements of animal existence. The fruit of the tree of life was like a superchemical storage battery, mysteriously releasing the life-extension force of the universe when eaten. This form of sustenance was wholly useless to the ordinary evolutionary beings on Urantia, but specifically it was serviceable to the one hundred materialized members of Caligastia’s staff and to the one hundred modified Andonites who had contributed of their life plasm to the Prince’s staff, and who, in return, were made possessors of that complement of life which made it possible for them to utilize the fruit of the tree of life for an indefinite extension of their otherwise mortal existence.

(826.2) 73:6.5 During the days of the Prince’s rule the tree was growing from the earth in the central and circular courtyard of the Father’s temple. Upon the outbreak of the rebellion it was regrown from the central core by Van and his associates in their temporary camp. This Edentia shrub was subsequently taken to their highland retreat, where it served both Van and Amadon for more than one hundred and fifty thousand years.

(826.3) 73:6.6 When Van and his associates made ready the Garden for Adam and Eve, they transplanted the Edentia tree to the Garden of Eden, where, once again, it grew in a central, circular courtyard of another temple to the Father. And Adam and Eve periodically partook of its fruit for the maintenance of their dual form of physical life.

(826.4) 73:6.7 When the plans of the Material Son went astray, Adam and his family were not permitted to carry the core of the tree away from the Garden. When the Nodites invaded Eden, they were told that they would become as “gods if they partook of the fruit of the tree.” Much to their surprise they found it unguarded. They ate freely of the fruit for years, but it did nothing for them; they were all material mortals of the realm; they lacked that endowment which acted as a complement to the fruit of the tree. They became enraged at their inability to benefit from the tree of life, and in connection with one of their internal wars, the temple and the tree were both destroyed by fire; only the stone wall stood until the Garden was subsequently submerged. This was the second temple of the Father to perish.

(826.5) 73:6.8 And now must all flesh on Urantia take the natural course of life and death. Adam, Eve, their children, and their children’s children, together with their associates, all perished in the course of time, thus becoming subject to the ascension scheme of the local universe wherein mansion world resurrection follows material death.
 

Aimiel

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Notice they have no comprehension of the difference between soul and spirit, the former being the foundation of their god as consciousness, etc.

That's because only THE Logos pierces to the dividing asunder of them. They can't do anything but soulically equivocate and interpose one for the other.

Pure demonic modern historical revisionism with plenty of B-movie content. Adventism run amok. A tentacle of prelest derived from Kabbalah.
I had not noticed that, but... you're quite right. :thumb:
 

Zeke

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Notice they have no comprehension of the difference between soul and spirit, the former being the foundation of their god as consciousness, etc.

That's because only THE Logos pierces to the dividing asunder of them. They can't do anything but soulically equivocate and interpose one for the other.

Pure demonic modern historical revisionism with plenty of B-movie content. Adventism run amok. A tentacle of prelest derived from Kabbalah.

That's your doctrine of fear, based on the Orthodox model that hands out historic disinformation like Halloween candy to the already mentally obese.


Johns gospel with it's interpolations of plagiarized verses from the Egyptian religion, (prior to the historical Christ, who needed some Orthodox help to materialize) rebuts your pseudo Calvinistic claims that man was born without the divine spirit, or light.
 

PneumaPsucheSoma

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That's your doctrine of fear, based on the Orthodox model that hands out historic disinformation like Halloween candy to the already mentally obese.

Johns gospel with it's interpolations of plagiarized verses from the Egyptian religion, (prior to the historical Christ, who needed some Orthodox help to materialize) rebuts your pseudo Calvinistic claims that man was born without the divine spirit, or light.

You only know some marginal and nominal semi-exoteric sectarianized dilution of the ACTUAL esoteric Christian faith.

You have no idea of the ontological reality of existence IN Christ, instead having only been a part of hypocritical ordinance-based paper training on Law without grace and faith.

You will unfortunately never be able to know the difference between soul and spirit, interposing them according to all the drivel you have embraced.

Go ahead and provide historical textual criticism for your bare assertions. Show us the evidence of all you claim.
 

Caino

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That's your doctrine of fear, based on the Orthodox model that hands out historic disinformation like Halloween candy to the already mentally obese.


Johns gospel with it's interpolations of plagiarized verses from the Egyptian religion, (prior to the historical Christ, who needed some Orthodox help to materialize) rebuts your pseudo Calvinistic claims that man was born without the divine spirit, or light.

That’s a good line! I will have to remember that one. There is a lot of trick or treat theology around here.

Jesus said that not everyone needed a physician.
 

Zeke

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You only know some marginal and nominal semi-exoteric sectarianized dilution of the ACTUAL esoteric Christian faith.

You have no idea of the ontological reality of existence IN Christ, instead having only been a part of hypocritical ordinance-based paper training on Law without grace and faith.

You will unfortunately never be able to know the difference between soul and spirit, interposing them according to all the drivel you have embraced.

Go ahead and provide historical textual criticism for your bare assertions. Show us the evidence of all you claim.

Feel at liberty to present something to chew on yourself, you came in here bellowing like a political spin doctor who claimed your side was victorious before the polls closed.

Again, every man has that Divine light that comes into this world! (I know that makes your pseudo Calvinistic blood vessels pop out with elitist disgust, "over such humanistic type thoughts") so feel free to hand out some of those Orthodox candy treats that prove your apparitions, instead showing everyone your bare bottom, which is getting spanked over at your million word expo on the trinity.
 

Zeke

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That’s a good line! I will have to remember that one. There is a lot of trick or treat theology around here.

Jesus said that not everyone needed a physician.

He needs Jenny Craig, that diet of elitist orthodox candy keeps him hype up.
 

freelight

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Nice try.......

Nice try.......

I had not noticed that, but... you're quite right. :thumb:

Note quite really, even though PPS loves to always bring this 'dichotomy' of 'spirit' and 'soul' up, as some kind of 'evidence' against our viewpoints among his various other craft-works of vitriol. Such is a red herring.

It so happens that various systems define and differentiate 'soul' and 'spirit' or sometimes use the terms 'interchangabely' depending on 'context' and 'nuance' of inferential. Understanding this, his 'charge' of not-understanding such a dichotomy as to paint his opponent 'ignorant' is weak, and in no way discredits or disproves perspectives that do not subscribe to his strict and apparently rather 'dogmatic' and 'sterile' definitions.

BTW, since I have PPS on 'ignore' I'm only addressing what I see of his from other posters/posts that are corresponding to him, and will address those as needed. It is a relief to no longer endure having to read his bitter posts. May 'God' (Real God) free his soul from malice.

Furthermore, the UB's terms and explanations have their own descriptions of the 'soul' and its various components, however it relates to 'spirit' and the indwelling presence of 'God', known as the 'thought-adjuster'. (Man actually relates to and involves himself with many 'spirits', 'personalities' and other 'forces'). So we have various elements that make up the constitution of an individual being, and these all correspond and inter-relate according to their own nature and function. Each school or tradition may name, define and explain each component differently.


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freelight

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manna........

manna........

Feel at liberty to present something to chew on yourself, you came in here bellowing like a political spin doctor who claimed your side was victorious before the polls closed.

That and more.

Again, every man has that Divine light that comes into this world! (I know that makes your pseudo Calvinistic blood vessels pop out with elitist disgust, "over such humanistic type thoughts") so feel free to hand out some of those Orthodox candy treats that prove your apparitions, instead showing everyone your bare bottom, which is getting spanked over at your million word expo on the trinity.


Yes, the papers teach that all mortals who have a conscience and are therefore 'qualified' to receive the gift of the Universal Father, to be indwelt with a 'thought adjuster' (or 'spirit-moniter')...are granted such an indwelling, this being a 'pre-personal' elemental-presence of 'God', being 'pure essence' of Deity, which has the potential when the ascending mortal reaches a certain point of communion or spiritual perfection...of 'fusing' with that mortal-personality, and becoming 'one' with that individual, that individual thereby becoming forever 'immortal', the 'thought-adjuster' merging with that 'personality', making it by constition...a true immortal.

More on the Thought-adjuster here.

~*~*~

As shared before, the UB's presentation of the Paradise Trinity is sufficient in its cosmic embrace to satisfy the mortal intellect as well as transcend such limitations of mind altogether. 'God' is forever One, yet unfolding his nature in plural expression, revealing diversity, difference, relativity and duality in the expanding realm of creation. The non-dual One lies behind the play of 'duality' in Nature as the foundational and universal unity at the heart, underlying all phenomena as the substratum, the unborn One from whose womb all is born, dies and returns. There is only 'that' One, while all 'else' is a play of that 'One',....engaging in endless creation. All is Spirit.


pj
 

freelight

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immortality.....

immortality.....

The Tree of Life


(825.6) 73:6.1 In the center of the Garden temple Van planted the long-guarded tree of life, whose leaves were for the “healing of the nations,” and whose fruit had so long sustained him on earth. Van well knew that Adam and Eve would also be dependent on this gift of Edentia for their life maintenance after they once appeared on Urantia in material form.

(825.7) 73:6.2 The Material Sons on the system capitals do not require the tree of life for sustenance. Only in the planetary repersonalization are they dependent on this adjunct to physical immortality.

(825.8) 73:6.3 The “tree of the knowledge of good and evil” may be a figure of speech, a symbolic designation covering a multitude of human experiences, but the “tree of life” was not a myth; it was real and for a long time was present on Urantia. When the Most Highs of Edentia approved the commission of Caligastia as Planetary Prince of Urantia and those of the one hundred Jerusem citizens as his administrative staff, they sent to the planet, by the Melchizedeks, a shrub of Edentia, and this plant grew to be the tree of life on Urantia. This form of nonintelligent life is native to the constellation headquarters spheres, being also found on the headquarters worlds of the local and superuniverses as well as on the Havona spheres, but not on the system capitals.

(826.1) 73:6.4 This superplant stored up certain space-energies which were antidotal to the age-producing elements of animal existence. The fruit of the tree of life was like a superchemical storage battery, mysteriously releasing the life-extension force of the universe when eaten. This form of sustenance was wholly useless to the ordinary evolutionary beings on Urantia, but specifically it was serviceable to the one hundred materialized members of Caligastia’s staff and to the one hundred modified Andonites who had contributed of their life plasm to the Prince’s staff, and who, in return, were made possessors of that complement of life which made it possible for them to utilize the fruit of the tree of life for an indefinite extension of their otherwise mortal existence.

(826.2) 73:6.5 During the days of the Prince’s rule the tree was growing from the earth in the central and circular courtyard of the Father’s temple. Upon the outbreak of the rebellion it was regrown from the central core by Van and his associates in their temporary camp. This Edentia shrub was subsequently taken to their highland retreat, where it served both Van and Amadon for more than one hundred and fifty thousand years.

(826.3) 73:6.6 When Van and his associates made ready the Garden for Adam and Eve, they transplanted the Edentia tree to the Garden of Eden, where, once again, it grew in a central, circular courtyard of another temple to the Father. And Adam and Eve periodically partook of its fruit for the maintenance of their dual form of physical life.

(826.4) 73:6.7 When the plans of the Material Son went astray, Adam and his family were not permitted to carry the core of the tree away from the Garden. When the Nodites invaded Eden, they were told that they would become as “gods if they partook of the fruit of the tree.” Much to their surprise they found it unguarded. They ate freely of the fruit for years, but it did nothing for them; they were all material mortals of the realm; they lacked that endowment which acted as a complement to the fruit of the tree. They became enraged at their inability to benefit from the tree of life, and in connection with one of their internal wars, the temple and the tree were both destroyed by fire; only the stone wall stood until the Garden was subsequently submerged. This was the second temple of the Father to perish.

(826.5) 73:6.8 And now must all flesh on Urantia take the natural course of life and death. Adam, Eve, their children, and their children’s children, together with their associates, all perished in the course of time, thus becoming subject to the ascension scheme of the local universe wherein mansion world resurrection follows material death.

This is a most wonderful subject, and can make for some interesting discussion concerning the mythology of the Garden, its various symbolisms anyways, even though according to the papers,...the Garden actually existed, and the 'tree of life', an actual plant from the higher worlds having life-sustaining powers.

From this we see that no concept of 'original sin' is taught here (except the 'Adamic default'), but mortals 'die' naturally by the laws of nature (if not divinely altered otherwise), and are subject to the laws that govern a soul's progress, resurrection and immortality-potential as it advances along the paths of life, on this world and in the mansion-worlds of the spirit. On another level, we could say the indwelling 'thought-adjuster' is as to us a 'tree of life', from which we draw the pure nourishment, as well as the Spirit of truth and the Holy Spirit (the Mother Spirit of our local universe). As noted before, while we communion with God who is Spirit Itself (in essence), there is a community of spirits of 'God' that engage in various relations.



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Aimiel

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BTW, since I have PPS on 'ignore' I'm only addressing what I see of his from other posters/posts that are corresponding to him, and will address those as needed. It is a relief to no longer endure having to read his bitter posts. May 'God' (Real God) free his soul from malice.
I don't see any, just as I don't have any for you. What you have to realize is that we're in a great spiritual battle and the demons in you hate the God in us. We don't hate you, we hate the spiritual forces that make use of your members.
 

PneumaPsucheSoma

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Feel at liberty to present something to chew on yourself, you came in here bellowing like a political spin doctor who claimed your side was victorious before the polls closed.

Again, every man has that Divine light that comes into this world! (I know that makes your pseudo Calvinistic blood vessels pop out with elitist disgust, "over such humanistic type thoughts") so feel free to hand out some of those Orthodox candy treats that prove your apparitions, instead showing everyone your bare bottom, which is getting spanked over at your million word expo on the trinity.

Then quit speaking of me in such negative terms if I'm part of your god with a divine spark within me. You rail against your own professed deity of an aggregate self of humanity. Stop blaspheming your god, which includes me.

Your Mommy, Gaia, will be furious if you don't stop. I'm one of hers, too. I am all the humanistic gods of self and humanity since I am human. You shouldn't dis' your fellow "Sparkers" like me and true Christians. We're god just like you, ya know.

Me have divine spark, too. You no blaspheme against me. :)
 
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