"The Kingdom of God is WITHIN you"? "The Kingdom of God is INSIDE you? - Luke 17:21

[Zeke]

My mention of it being 'mind-boggling' to some, is their failure to consider the omnipresence of Spirit.

Yes, as we've shown already,....if your body is the temple of God and you have the mind of 'Christ',...how is the kingdom of 'God' NOT within you, as well as being without,....the Spirit of God is infinite, measureless....it is we who measure, define or allocate this 'Spirit', which is fine if relatively speaking, but Spirit is all-pervading in its infinite, incorporeal nature. So whether people want to define the kingdom as ever-present, or relageted to some future dispensation,....it matters not if we are considering the omnipresence of God NOW, the absolute Reality ever present. The Absolute is the only absolute reality, if we would properly consider the definition of 'absolute'. Therefore, in this absolute context of OMNIPRESENCE.....the kingdom is always already present.

They have no discernment of the shadow, pattern, figurative, allegory, symbolic\ types the scripture represents for "all people".

 

[Ben Masada]

The Kingdom of God is Within you... or Inside you. (Luke 17:21)

I think when Jesus said that, he had Exodus 19:5,6 in mind. For sure, he did it!

 

[beameup]

The Kingdom of God is Within you... or Inside you. (Luke 17:21)

I think when Jesus said that, he had Exodus 19:5,6 in mind. For sure, he did it!

It "could have been" had Israel accepted their Messiah.
As it is now, "Israel" will have to go through the "Time of Jacob's Trouble"--
for "purification"-- in order to enter into the glorious Kingdom of Messiah.
The REMNANT of Jews who survive the Day of the LORD will become a "nation of priests".

It's all laid out there in your Tanakh.
However, if you continue to rely on your "rabbis",
you will never find "the truth" in your Scriptures.

 

[freelight]

Nearness of the kingdom..........

Nearness of the kingdom..........

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Continuing our statements previously shared among us who believe the kingdom is truly 'within', let us enjoy a meditational reading of Meister Eckhart's sermon 'The Nearness of the kingdom' -

Text of this sermon.


For those new to the 13th century German theologian, philosopher and mystic see Wiki and the Eckhart Society.

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[Ben Masada]

It "could have been" had Israel accepted their Messiah. As it is now, "Israel" will have to go through the "Time of Jacob's Trouble"- for "purification"-- in order to enter into the glorious Kingdom of Messiah. The REMNANT of Jews who survive the Day of the LORD will become a "nation of priests". It's all laid out there in your Tanakh. However, if you continue to rely on your "rabbis", you will never find "the truth" in your Scriptures.

I rely only on the "Rabbis" of the gospel of Jesus which was the Tanach. The glorious Kingdom of the Messiah is according to Exodus 19:5,6. Jesus was not the Messiah and he could never be the one as an individual. The individual is born, lives his span of life and dies. Are we supposed to expect a new Messiah in every generation? Obviously not! The Messiah is not supposed to die but to remain as a People before the Lord forever.(Jeremiah 31:35-37) Now, if you read Habakkuk 3:13, "The Lord goes forth to save His People; to save His Anointed One." That's what Messiah is, the Anointed One of the Lord aka Israel the Son of God. (Exodus 4:22,23)

 

[beameup]

I rely only on the "Rabbis" of the gospel of Jesus which was the Tanach. The glorious Kingdom of the Messiah is according to Exodus 19:5,6. Jesus was not the Messiah and he could never be the one as an individual. The individual is born, lives his span of life and dies. Are we supposed to expect a new Messiah in every generation? Obviously not! The Messiah is not supposed to die but to remain as a People before the Lord forever.(Jeremiah 31:35-37) Now, if you read Habakkuk 3:13, "The Lord goes forth to save His People; to save His Anointed One." That's what Messiah is, the Anointed One of the Lord aka Israel the Son of God. (Exodus 4:22,23)

I think you had better read the Tanakh for yourself rather than
depending on the "rabbis" to tell you what it says.
Messiah will be a genetic descendent of David.
Messiah will be Priest + King.
Messiah will be worshipped.
Messiah will reside in the Temple (Ezek 40-43).

I've already posted all the multitude of Scripture on this topic. Without the RESURRECTION, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to fulfill these prophecies. Guess who qualifies?

 

[freelight]

different points of view...........

different points of view...........

I think you had better read the Tanakh for yourself rather than
depending on the "rabbis" to tell you what it says.
Messiah will be a genetic descendent of David.
Messiah will be Priest + King.
Messiah will be worshipped.
Messiah will reside in the Temple (Ezek 40-43).

I've already posted all the multitude of Scripture on this topic. Without the RESURRECTION, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to fulfill these prophecies. Guess who qualifies?

As you know Ben sees the 'Messiah' as 'Israel',....the community or nation as a 'people'.

For your points above, Jesus was never considered to be a priest or king. Jesus was worshipped by some, but this 'worship' does not necessarily prove Jesus was the Messiah. Jesus also is not residing in a physical Temple. Also, there is no Jewish belief about the Messiah being resurrected, except that such refers to Israel rising again as a people, going back to the view that God's anointed is Israel.

And back to my former sharings,....the kingdom of heaven is still a 'spiritual recognition' or 'communion' of the soul or spirit of man with God the infinite Spirit, so that the kingdom is realized within as well as without, since God is omnipresent.

 

[Zeke]

Wood hay and stubble is the hope of the literal flesh and blood sacrificial crowd who haven't experienced Galatians 1:12, 4:6, 1Cor 3:16, Romans 8:15, Luke 17:20-21, instead they are stuck in the same state of John Matt 11:11, a state of mind that was looking outwardly Matthew 11:3 like all historic believers have been programmed to follow the visible kingdom of this temporal kingdom that requires them to carry a ID/image of that programmed persona loyal to this worlds political and religious charade.

 

[beameup]

As you know Ben sees the 'Messiah' as 'Israel',....the community or nation as a 'people'.

So Ben views millions of Jews sitting upon a single throne (Messiah's throne)?
We could also conclude that Ben sees this multitude sitting upon a single throne
as being direct DNA descendants of King David (as the Tanakh testifies)?
Rather than Ben's claimed "dream state", perhaps Ben's condition could better be described as "hallucination". :dizzy:

 

[freelight]

The 'individual' and the 'collective'........

The 'individual' and the 'collective'........

So Ben views millions of Jews sitting upon a single throne (Messiah's throne)?
We could also conclude that Ben sees this multitude sitting upon a single throne
as being direct DNA descendants of King David (as the Tanakh testifies)?
Rather than Ben's claimed "dream state", perhaps Ben's condition could better be described as "hallucination". :dizzy:

Well,...at least we could say he is committed lol

We've discussed this before, and his proposal still seems to indicate 'Israel' as being the 'nation' of God's people, as a 'collective', even though an individual person may be anointed as king to lead the people, such as 'David', etc. In any case, we have different 'figurative' possibilities here.

On a positive note, the sky's the limit :thumb:

 

[Ben Masada]

So Ben views millions of Jews sitting upon a single throne (Messiah's throne)?
We could also conclude that Ben sees this multitude sitting upon a single throne
as being direct DNA descendants of King David (as the Tanakh testifies)?
Rather than Ben's claimed "dream state", perhaps Ben's condition could better be described as "hallucination". :dizzy:

If this is the only way that seriously you take the collective from the singular, how could you describe "Israel is My Son," said the Lord of Exodus 4:22,23, as millions of "sons?" You are demeriting yourself Beammeup.

 

[Ben Masada]

I think you had better read the Tanakh for yourself rather than depending on the "rabbis" to tell you what it says. Messiah will be a genetic descendent of David Messiah will be Priest + King Messiah will be worshipped Messiah will reside in the Temple (Ezek 40-43).

I've already posted all the multitude of Scripture on this topic. Without the RESURRECTION, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to fulfill these prophecies. Guess who qualifies?

Messiah will be a genetic descendent of David and Jesus was not because the NT has exonerated him from being a biological son of Joseph who was the one from the Tribe of Judah. As a result, Jesus became simply a Jew because of Mary his mother but a Jew without a Tribal in Israel.

The Messiah as a priest + king, only the Hasmonean kings in the History of Israel succeeded to put together Priesthood and Kingship. Jesus was neither king nor a priest and you cannot prove any.

And king Messiah cannot be worshiped because he is not God. He will reside all over the Land of Israel with "David" aka the Government in Jerusalem.

Now, for the resurrection, the Messiah has experienced three times already. The first time from Egypt, the second time from Babylon and the third time around from the four corners of the earth. Now, the only way to feel part of the Messiah is by joining God's Covenant with the Messiah according to Halacha. (Isaiah 56:1-18)

 

[beameup]

Messiah will be a genetic descendent of David and Jesus was not because the NT has exonerated him from being a biological son of Joseph who was the one from the Tribe of Judah. As a result, Jesus became simply a Jew because of Mary his mother but a Jew without a Tribal in Israel.

Throughout the synoptic Gospels, Jesus is called the Son of David, by the crowds. Obviously they were well aware that a male child could be adopted with full rights of a son; and they were well aware of the family from which Jesus came.

And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest. - Matthew 21:9

Of course, with the demise of Judaism in 70 A.D., knowledge of Mosaic Judaism soon faded away, and ignorance of authentic Judaism crept in over time.
Perhaps as we approach the coming of Messiah, real Judaism will, once again, be reinstated in Israel.

 

[Ben Masada]

Throughout the synoptic Gospels, Jesus is called the Son of David, by the crowds. Obviously they were well aware that a male child could be adopted with full rights of a son; and they were well aware of the family from which Jesus came. And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest. - Matthew 21:9. Of course, with the demise of Judaism in 70 A.D., knowledge of Mosaic Judaism soon faded away, and ignorance of authentic Judaism crept in over time. Perhaps as we approach the coming of Messiah, real Judaism will, once again, be reinstated in Israel.

Any one with power, spiritual or financial and with a spirit to practice charity, he was addressed as son of David whether he was from the Tribe of Judah or not. Adoption was not an option to grab the Tribal inheritance. He could be adopted and with all the rights of a son but not the right to inherit the Tribal genealogy of his father. There is nothing you can do. If Jesus was not a biological son of Joseph, he could not have been from the Tribal of Judah.

Stop talking about demise of Judaism in 70 ACE because there was none. The opposite is rather true that the Jews would promote Judaism by observing Jewish laws with more vehemency in exile than at home. The Jewish tradition as Tribal inheritance was concerned, never ceased to be observed. There is no approaching of a coming Messiah because the concept of a coming Messiah was a reference to the return of the Jews to the Land of Israel.

 

[Crucible]

And there goes MADists back at it again, this time throwing their own 'KJV Only' medicine under the bus :BRAVO:

 

[Ben Masada]

A lot of heresies have been built upon this mistranslated verse. The NASB properly translates Luke 17:21: Now having been questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God was coming, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst. What Jesus is saying is that HE, virtually being "the Kingdom", is in their presence (in their midst). It is impossible for "the Kingdom of God" to be INSIDE the Pharisees. The NIV properly translates Luke 17:21b the kingdom of God is in your midst.

Where was Jesus talking to the Pharisees when he said that the Kingdom of God is in your midst? In the Land of Israel. It means that the Kingdom of God was the Land of Israel but to remain so, God's promise is conditional on our obedience of God's Law. (Exodus 19:5,6)Of course, the reference could not be to an individual Jew but to the whole People of Israel. Look around, he probably had in his mind. That's the Kingdom of God!

 

[beameup]

If Jesus was not a biological son of Joseph, he could not have been from the Tribal of Judah.

Joseph and Mary are both descendants of King David. Joseph and Mary got married well before Jesus was born. Jesus was raised as the first son of Mary and Joseph. Therefore Jesus inherited the rights of a son. No "legal ceremony" was necessary as everyone just assumed that Jesus was the product of Joseph and Mary. The genealogies of both Mary and Joseph are recorded in the Gospels. God's prophecy concerning the destruction of Nachash (deceiver) is by the seed of woman.

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and her seed; it shall crush
thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Gen 3:15

nachash "the shining one" will be destroyed by the "seed of the woman".

 

[beameup]

Where was Jesus talking to the Pharisees when he said that the Kingdom of God is in your midst? In the Land of Israel. It means that the Kingdom of God was the Land of Israel but to remain so, God's promise is conditional on our obedience of God's Law. (Exodus 19:5,6)Of course, the reference could not be to an individual Jew but to the whole People of Israel. Look around, he probably had in his mind. That's the Kingdom of God!

When Messiah comes, He will establish the Kingdom. Messiah was standing there in the midst of the Pharisees when they asked when will the Kingdom come, and He being a rabbi, told them that the Kingdom "was in their midst". However, to establish it, it was CONDITIONAL that they welcome Him and recognize Him as Messiah. We're still waiting...... You'll know him when you see him, he'll have holes in his wrists.

 

[Ben Masada]

Joseph and Mary are both descendants of King David. Joseph and Mary got married well before Jesus was born. Jesus was raised as the first son of Mary and Joseph. Therefore Jesus inherited the rights of a son. No "legal ceremony" was necessary as everyone just assumed that Jesus was the product of Joseph and Mary. The genealogies of both Mary and Joseph are recorded in the Gospels. God's prophecy concerning the destruction of Nachash (deceiver) is by the seed of woman.And I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and her seed; it shall crush thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Gen 3:15 nachash "the shining one" will be destroyed by the "seed of the woman.

That Joseph was from the Tribe of Judah, I am aware of. About Mary, it was irrelevant. Mary would give only the Jewishness of Jesus. If Jesus was not a biological son of Joseph, he was not of the Tribe of Judah. You have got to set your mind down under the shade of this truth as there is no other accommodation. As I can see above, you finally agree that Jesus was the product of Joseph and Mary. That's true! But you cannot, from now on, claim that Jesus was the son of God according to Mat. 1:18 which is the description of a Greek demigod.

 

[Ben Masada]

When Messiah comes, He will establish the Kingdom. Messiah was standing there in the midst of the Pharisees when they asked when will the Kingdom come, and He being a rabbi, told them that the Kingdom "was in their midst". However, to establish it, it was CONDITIONAL that they welcome Him and recognize Him as Messiah. We're still waiting...... You'll know him when you see him, he'll have holes in his wrists.

When Messiah came from Egypt, "he" established the Kingdom. When the Messiah came from Babylon, "he" established the Kingdom. When the Messiah came this last time from the four corners of the earth, "he" established the Kingdom. (Ezekiel 37:22) When Jesus came, the kingdom established was Roman, during all his life, that kingdom did not cease and, when Jesus died, that kingdom destroyed all the chances the Messiah had to establish themselves again. Now, what kind of Messiah was Jesus, a Messiah that did not survive? Thank you but no, thanks! I'll stay with the real Messiah according to Habakkuk 3:13. "The Lord goes forth to save His People; to save His Anointed One." That's what Messiah is, the Anointed One of the Lord aka Israel, the Son of God if you read Exodus 4:22,23.