The Imaginary Covenant of Grace

Zeke

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Deal with this heathen;

Romans 3:22 New Living Translation (NLT)

22 We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are.

Yet not one seeks after God Romans 3:11, so the faith required to be in the new born state from above Galatians 4:28, wouldn't come from the mind of the first born Galatians 4:24 who is focused outwardly on this worlds kingdom and laws he is born into walking by sight, always needing a outward sign from the God of the letter which killeth 2Cor 3:6.
 

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There is a misguided idea out there that God has two Covenants, one being the Law and the other being the imaginary Covenant of Grace found nowhere in scripture. Lol

Why would you laugh about it unless your intent is to mock believers. :confused:
 

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You can say that again! Anyway, to be as righteous as righteous is the Lord, it is for humans a process of a lifetime. That's what life is all about: The struggle for perfection. "Be perfect as perfect is the Lord."

The law was Not given to Gentiles. I'm surprised you don't correct her on that
 

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I suppose you do not recognize that the CoW applied only in the Garden in Eden? What were the stipulations given to Adam? Hint: "Do this and live." :AMR:

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Cow is that covenant of works?

Adam did not seek God but hid himself. Adam disobeyed a command of God but that command was nothing to do about his salvation. The penalty was spiritual death brining physical death. However Adam was regenerated by God and became born again after God found him in the garden and clothed him
 

Ben Masada

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Perfect means complete. We can only be complete in Christ, because we are separated from God.

The only way to fix your connection with HaShem is the obedience to His Law. Prophet Isaiah said that if we want to set things right with the Lord so that our sins from scarlet red become as white as snow, all we have to do is to repent and return to the obedience of God's Law. If you read the largest chapter in the Bible which is Psalm 119, you will understand what I mean. (Isa. 1:18,19)
 

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Even a lifetime of struggle would not accomplish that.

That's true according to Eccles. 7:20 because there is no one upon earth to have done only good and never sinned. But, what can we do? Only the living can struggle to be perfect. Once dead, that struggle ceases to be a command.
 

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Galatians 3: 10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”
12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.”
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—
14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

The Law and the Promise

15 To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. 16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ.

17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18 For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.

19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary.
20 Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.

21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law.
22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.
24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.

25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,
26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slavenor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
 

Ben Masada

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Galatians 3: 10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

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Are you implying that Jesus was all his life under a curse? The whole second part of the Decalogue is about the Golden Rule which Jesus, according to Mat. 23:13-33 broke it 15 times when he cursed the Pharisees with being hypocrites and broods of vipers. The Golden Rule states not to do unto others what one would not like they did unto ourselves. Would have Jesus liked to be addressed to as a hypocrite and brood of vipers? I don't think so. The Pharisees didn't either. So, we can see that Jesus did not abide by all things written in the book of the Law.
 

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Cow is that covenant of works?

Adam did not seek God but hid himself. Adam disobeyed a command of God but that command was nothing to do about his salvation. The penalty was spiritual death brining physical death. However Adam was regenerated by God and became born again after God found him in the garden and clothed him
What exactly would have happened if Adam had obeyed the commands of God?

Do you deny Adam was the Federal Head of all his progeny?

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Except for the Shabbat, all the other nine laws of the Decalogue are in force upon the Gentiles too. Break them and you will suffer the consequences thereof.

You cannot prove that with scripture. The opposite is true and verifiable that the 613 laws (not just ten) were not given to the nations but to Israel alone!
 

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What exactly would have happened if Adam had obeyed the commands of God?

Do you deny Adam was the Federal Head of all his progeny?

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He would not have died.
Can you answer my question?

Does CoW stand for covenant of works?

This would be new info for me.
 

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He would not have died.
Can you answer my question?

Does CoW stand for covenant of works?

This would be new info for me.
CoW is covenant of works, sometimes also called the covenant of life. CoG, sometimes called the covenant of redemption, is a covenant of grace, a pre-temporal covenantal in which the Father would glorify his Son by sending him as a Mediator of foreseen sin. Salvation has been God’s plan from the beginning and the covenantal nature of it—sovereignly initiated—guarantees its accomplishment. It is the basis on which Paul can argue from foreknowledge to glorification in Romans 8:29-31.

There are but two and only two covenants within the redemptive plans of God. Other covenants, e.g., Abraham, are but various administrations of the CoG.

Indeed Adam would not have died. God promised to prolong and augment the relationship, provided Adam observed one prohibition. Had Adam obeyed, all his progeny would have lived in eternal blessedness with God. The Covenant of Works was promising confirmation of a probationary relationship, provided Adam complied with covenant stipulation. Though the word “covenant” (Berith) does not occur in Genesis 3, the use of the expression “I will cause-to-stand my covenant with you” in Genesis 6:18 clearly teaches that a prior covenant is in view.

The Fall was a rejection of the eschatological.

Adam was created for something beyond himself and beyond his "now." The trees of the Knowledge and Life were reminders to him of a telos—a life lived wholly for the glory of God. Inherent within Covenant of Works/Life was the idea of probation and consequent confirmation. Adam "exchanged the truth about God for a lie" (Rom. 1:25).

Adam clearly failed to obey. But God in His mercy established the CoG in the stead of the CoW. The CoG is a redemptive covenant, revealed in embryonic form immediately after the fall (Genesis 3:15), but more clearly with Abraham, made a nation from his descendants, delivered them from slavery, gave them his name, taught them the family code (law), disciplined them when they failed, sent messengers to teach them, painted pictures of the covenant Mediator in sacrificial liturgical system, specific prophecies, and a host of emblematic pictures (e.g. King, prophet, priest, sufferer).

In one sense the CoW was never abolished per se, in that it fell to Our Lord's perfect active and passive obedience to perform the CoW. The CoG is for God's children who are made able to claim what He did for us (Hebrews 7:22;8:6). Our Lord lived the life we all should have lived and it is by grace that we are now saved. Christ is viewed as the Mediator of the Covenant—fulfilling the Covenant of Works as “Last Adam / Second Man.”


“Only when the believer understands how he has to receive and has received everything from the Mediator and how God in no way whatever deals with him except through Christ, only then does a picture of the glorious work that God wrought through Christ emerge in his consciousness and the magnificent idea of grace begin to dominate and form in his life. For the Reformed, therefore, the entire ordo salutis [order of salvation], beginning with regeneration as its first stage, is bound to the mystical union with Christ. There is no gift that has not been earned by him. Neither is there a gift that is not bestowed by him and that does not elevate God’s glory through his bestowal. Now the basis for this order lies in none other than in the covenant of salvation with Christ. In this covenant those chosen by the Father are given to Christ. In it he became the guarantor so that they would be planted into his body in the thought-world of grace through faith. As the application of salvation by Christ and by Christ’s initiative is a fundamental principle of Reformed theology, this theology has correctly viewed this application as a covenantal requirement which fell to the Mediator and for the fulfilling of which he became the guarantor.” (Src: Geerhardus Vos, Redemptive History and Biblical Interpretation, ed. Richard B. Gaffin, Philadelphia: Presbyterian and Reformed, 1980, 248)

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Can you define what the CoW is specific to salvation?
Thanks!

I am not sure I understand you clearly. If you are asking how Adam was saved under the CoW, the answer is: obedience while under probation.

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The covenant of works was false from the beginning. There has never been a time when it has worked. Even the Angels cannot stand before God by their own righteousness.
 
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