It's lonely at the top washer Jane.
The Imaginary Covenant of Grace
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It's lonely at the top washer Jane.
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David was given grace in that instance of adultery and murder
you can add grace to a covenant of law
but you can't add law to a covenant of grace
Wick Stick
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Ok, I'll buy that. But they aren't all for "salvation," even as nebulous as that word is.
For instance, the promise of Abram's covenant was for an heir, descendants, and posterity.
The promise of the Mosaic covenant was a tract of land in the Middle East, prosperous farming, and military assistance against the neighboring countries.
Now, I'd love to own a hectare or so of real estate in the Mediterranean, but that isn't exactly my eternal soul, is it?
Jarrod
The idea of the law was to so magnify sin that the people in being unable to perform the requirements of it would be thrown on to God's mercy [Grace]
Wick Stick
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No. You have the terms of the covenant confused with the role of the priesthood who mediates it.
The covenant demands obedience to the 600 or so commandments, and contains terms of blessing and cursing, as articulated from Mount Ebal and Mount Gerizim, respectively. See Deuteronomy 11:29. The blessings primarily deal with the granting of the land, continued rainfall, and prosperity in general. The cursings are roughly the opposite - invasion, famine, diaspora, and death.
The Levitical priesthood was installed as a mediator of that covenant. Without a mediator, every individual who violated the terms (aka everyone) would have to be stoned to death, or expelled from the nation (depending on the violation).
The mediation of the priest allowed for the possibility of a substitution on the penalties. The sin/transgression was laid on animals, who then were killed or expelled into the wilderness.
Hence, the book of Hebrews has it as "better covenant," "better mediator," and "better High Priest."
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The only things that magnify sins are crimes; and the reason is for sinners to find out that they have broken the Law.
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covenant with works
Gen 17:5 No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham, for I have made you the father of a multitude of nations.
Gen 17:6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful, and I will make you into nations, and kings shall come from you.
Gen 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your offspring after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your offspring after you.
bloodshed and covenant confirmed each time the
work of circumcision is done.
Gen 17:10 This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your offspring after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised.
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no covenant of grace
but a dispensation of grace
Eph_3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
Hebrews 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, He makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Hebrews 10:16 "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds."
17 Then He adds: "Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more."
18 Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin.
Luke 22:20 And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.
2 Corinthians 3:6 Who has made us competent to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Hebrews 10:16 "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds."
17 Then He adds: "Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more."
18 Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin.
Luke 22:20 And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.
2 Corinthians 3:6 Who has made us competent to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Sure. That's the Mosaic C
But Hebrews says that that C was added to the A C and did not change nor do away with the Abrahamic C, it was added and it was temporal.
The other conditional C was the Edenic C.
The New C is made with Israel for Israel and we have been made partakers.
Surely the Mosaic C was not a way of salvation. Not a way to work for salvation.
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King Saul saved not saved ?
1Sa 16:14 Now the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and a harmful spirit from the LORD tormented him.
1Sa 28:16 And Samuel said, "Why then do you ask me, since the LORD has turned from you and become your enemy?
2 Corinthians 3:6 Who has made us competent to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2 Corinthians was written to the church.
Nothing a shot of Vitamin B "12 Out" can't cure, lol