The Holy Spirit and the Gospel Verses the Law and Religion

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john w

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Wakeup John W. Jesus came into the world to do for you that which you cannot do for yourself.

=satanic vicarious law keeping. No scripture testifies that the walk of obedience of the Saviour keeping the law is imputed to the believer's account, for justification. The devil taught you that, sloppy Pate, not the bible, as I, others, have shown you.


You cannot fulfill the law because you are a sinner.

More deception. Agreed, but irrelevant to your conclusion of vicarious law keeping. Law keeping justifies no one, devil child. Law keeping is not justification, moron-it is merely "doing the minimum," idiot.



Jesus in your name and on your behalf fulfilled it for you.

For propitiation, not vicarious law keeping, the law keeping imputed. The devil taught you that.

This is how you are justified. Jesus is your justifier, Romans 3:26.]

The law justifies no one-the devil taught you that. Romans 3:26 KJV says no such thing. Sober up.
Jesus did far more than dying on the cross for your sins. He justified you by his obedience to the law.

=satanic assertion-The Saviour was sinless, is sinless, righteous, because He is God, devil boy, apart from the law.


You have half of the Gospel but you don't have the full Gospel.


=more made up terms, sloppiness

Your doctrine leaves a void in the life of the believer. That void has been fulfilled by the life of Christ for the believer.


You talk like a Calvinist Catholic-they talk like you, Pate.



You need all of Jesus to save you, not just his death.

Mumbo jumbo. We are reconciled by His death, justified by his resurection, saved by His resurrected life, not his keeping the law on our behalf on earth, devil child, as you satanically assert.

His resurrected life justifies the believer, devil child, not Him keeping the law.



You are an on record, perverter of the gospel of Christ.


Get off this site.
 
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musterion

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Jesus did far more than dying on the cross for your sins. He justified you by his obedience to the law. You have half of the Gospel but you don't have the full Gospel.

So, we have to believe as you do in the perfect life of Christ on earth for us AS WELL AS His death on the cross for us...else we're not saved?
 

john w

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The implication of this point, which you love to make, is very disturbing.

Was JohnW intended to fulfill the Law?

No.

Law is only the schoolmaster...the signpost God set up to point out our dire need for Someone to save us from being unable to do what the Law righteously demands. The point of Law, Paul says, is not to be kept because God knew we couldn't. The point is to show us we can't.

That's what Paul taught. Why does your question suggest you do not believe what Paul taught?

He is engaging in sophistry, deception. That is His MO.
 

clefty

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The implication of this point, which you love to make, is very disturbing.

Was JohnW intended to fulfill the Law?

No.

Law is only the schoolmaster...the signpost God set up to point out our dire need for Someone to save us from being unable to do what the Law righteously demands. The point of Law, Paul says, is not to be kept because God knew we couldn't. The point is to show us we can't.

That's what Paul taught. Why does your question suggest you do not believe what Paul taught?

We cant? Then why are we asked to keep it to abide in His love? Why did Paul say copy me as I copy Christ? Who in turn said He did so that we could...with Spirit all things are possible...and keep Yah’s commandments no man’s tradition of there are no more...He was clear “go and sin no more” she didnt run back and say “but I caaaaaant its toooo haaaaard”

Why does Paul insist we establish Law whereever we go? Why does it end with “Here are they that keep the commandments of Yah and the faith OF Yahushu”? You know, His Faith walk...He expected us to follow?
 

clefty

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You don't understand the scripture.

To be "In Christ" means that the law has been fulfilled and abolished by Christ, Ephesians 2:15. We now stand before God as perfect and complete in Jesus Christ, Colossians 2:10. No more laws or rules. We now live by faith, "The Just Shall Live By Faith" Romans 1:17.

You know a great time to introduce this false gospel you teach? When He was walking with the two to Emmaus.

“And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to the what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself? Then He concluded with the new teaching that all of that was abolished and irrelevant and no longer necessary to reference and appply...He had destroyed it just like he said he would...” LOL

But NOTHING of the sort...THINK NOT He said...but you insist...rejecting the Holy Spirit is serious...
 

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If Jesus did it all for us, then there is nothing left for us to do.

According to you if someone calls on the name of the LORD, that's it.

The person can no longer sin, he is perfect and complete.

You claim there is no more law so a person can do as they please.

You say no rules, but then you judge Koresh by his works.

Hypocrite.
 

Robert Pate

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The implication of this point, which you love to make, is very disturbing.

Was JohnW intended to fulfill the Law?

No.

Law is only the schoolmaster...the signpost God set up to point out our dire need for Someone to save us from being unable to do what the Law righteously demands. The point of Law, Paul says, is not to be kept because God knew we couldn't. The point is to show us we can't.

That's what Paul taught. Why does your question suggest you do not believe what Paul taught?


There is only two purposes of the law.

1. To reveal the nature and character of God.

2. To reveal the sinfulness of man.

God never intended for his people to live according to laws and rules. "The Just Shall Live By Faith" Romans 1:17.

No one will enter heaven that has not been justified. Jesus justifies us by doing for us that which we cannot do for ourselves. This is why he fulfilled every jot and tittle of the law for us, Matthew 5:18.
 

Robert Pate

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If Jesus did it all for us, then there is nothing left for us to do.

According to you if someone calls on the name of the LORD, that's it.

The person can no longer sin, he is perfect and complete.

You claim there is no more law so a person can do as they please.

You say no rules, but then you judge Koresh by his works.

Hypocrite.

Koresh died under the law. He was not a Christian. Christians do not have sex with 12 year old girls. Koresh was a cultist. Not a Christian.
 

Robert Pate

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You know a great time to introduce this false gospel you teach? When He was walking with the two to Emmaus.

“And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to the what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself? Then He concluded with the new teaching that all of that was abolished and irrelevant and no longer necessary to reference and appply...He had destroyed it just like he said he would...” LOL

But NOTHING of the sort...THINK NOT He said...but you insist...rejecting the Holy Spirit is serious...

The whole Old Testament Pointed towards Jesus and his Gospel.

The reason that we have a New Testament is because the Old has been done away with.

In the New Testament people no longer live according to laws and rules. The new way is to live by faith. This is why Paul said, "THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH" Romans 1:17 and not by rules, laws or religion.
 

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=satanic vicarious law keeping. No scripture testifies that the walk of obedience of the Saviour keeping the law is imputed to the believer's account, for justification. The devil taught you that, sloppy Pate, not the bible, as I, others, have shown you.



More deception. Agreed, but irrelevant to your conclusion of vicarious law keeping. Law keeping justifies no one, devil child. Law keeping is not justification, moron-it is merely "doing the minimum," idiot.




For propitiation, not vicarious law keeping, the law keeping imputed. The devil taught you that.


The law justifies no one-the devil taught you that. Romans 3:26 KJV says no such thing. Sober up.


=satanic assertion-The Saviour was sinless, is sinless, righteous, because He is God, devil boy, apart from the law.





=more made up terms, sloppiness




You talk like a Calvinist Catholic-they talk like you, Pate.




Mumbo jumbo. We are reconciled by His death, justified by his resurection, saved by His resurrected life, not his keeping the law on our behalf on earth, devil child, as you satanically assert.

His resurrected life justifies the believer, devil child, not Him keeping the law.



You are an on record, perverter of the gospel of Christ.


Get off this site.




Jesus justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5.

He justifies the ungodly by doing for them that which they cannot do for themselves, Romans 3:26.

The law demands perfection. Jesus said, "Be perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect" Are you perfect John W? No you are a sinner. God demands that his law be fulfilled. Can you fulfill the law John W? Unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Pharisees you will perish. The Pharisees were professional religionist, they even tithed down to the mint in their gardens, Matthew 23:23.

God must see you as perfect and complete in Christ or you will perish. If you stand before God in your own righteousness, you will perish. Only those that have been perfected by the life and death of Jesus will be saved. We are perfect and complete only "IN CHRIST".
 

clefty

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The whole Old Testament Pointed towards Jesus and his Gospel.

The reason that we have a New Testament is because the Old has been done away with.

In the New Testament people no longer live according to laws and rules. The new way is to live by faith. This is why Paul said, "THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH" Romans 1:17 and not by rules, laws or religion.

In the OT the just lived (meaning exactly did what is required of those in the faith) by faith what was His faith He gave for us to live by...in order to abide in His Love
 

john w

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Jesus justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5.

He justifies the ungodly by doing for them that which they cannot do for themselves, Romans 3:26.

The law demands perfection. Jesus said, "Be perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect" Are you perfect John W? No you are a sinner. God demands that his law be fulfilled. Can you fulfill the law John W? Unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Pharisees you will perish. The Pharisees were professional religionist, they even tithed down to the mint in their gardens, Matthew 23:23.

God must see you as perfect and complete in Christ or you will perish. If you stand before God in your own righteousness, you will perish. Only those that have been perfected by the life and death of Jesus will be saved. We are perfect and complete only "IN CHRIST".

You've been shown, devil child, by me, countless others, that believers are justified apart from the law, are justified by the resurrected life of the Lord Jesus Christ, not through His perfect keeping the law on our behalf, this vicarious law keeping satanic assertion-believers are given the righteousness of God, apart from the law, because we are in Him, and he is righteous, sinless, perfect, not because He walked perfectly in the law, but because He is God. The walk was only to meet the righteous req's of the law, to be qualified as the satisfactory, perfect sacrifice, the "lamb w/o blemish/spot"-propitiation.

Cease from spamming your satanic perversion, Pate, this vicarious law keeping, this "walk in law imputed to believers" made up slop, from hell.
 

Robert Pate

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You've been shown, devil child, by me, countless others, that believers are justified apart from the law, are justified by the resurrected life of the Lord Jesus Christ, not through His perfect keeping the law on our behalf, this vicarious law keeping satanic assertion-believers are given the righteousness of God, apart from the law, because we are in Him, and he is righteous, sinless, perfect, not because He walked perfectly in the law, but because He is God. The walk was only to meet the righteous req's of the law, to be qualified as the satisfactory, perfect sacrifice, the "lamb w/o blemish/spot"-propitiation.

Cease from spamming your satanic perversion, Pate, this vicarious law keeping, this "walk in law imputed to believers" made up slop, from hell.


There are no countless others. You are the only one having a problem with the life of Christ for the believer. You want to eliminate the life of Christ for the believer, probably because you are not a believer. Without the life of Christ for the believer there is a void that the believer tries to fill with his own life, which leads to legalism.

Jesus came into the world to do for us that which we cannot do for ourselves.

Living a perfect life of perfect obedience according to God's law was one of the things that he did for us. In doing that he justified us and removed us from the curse of the law. We are justified by faith because we are justified by Christ. Christ is our justifier, Romans 3:26.

We need all of Jesus to save us, not just his death. Someone had to fulfill the law for us.

"For as by one, man's disobedience (Adam) many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one (Christ) shall many be made righteous" Romans 5:19.
 

john w

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There are no countless others. You are the only one having a problem with the life of Christ for the believer.

Made up, liar-others have challenged you on this satanic vicarious law keeping, admitted Reformed Calvinist Catholic.
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You want to eliminate the life of Christ for the believer, probably because you are not a believer.

I have the righteousness of God in Christ, as an everlasting possession, given to me freely, apart from the law, and you hate that, as you assert law keeping justifies, you wicked wolf.

Without the life of Christ for the believer there is a void that the believer tries to fill with his own life, which leads to legalism.

No, devil child, you assert that law keeping is imputed, that the Saviour's life on earth is imputed for justification, which is from the pits of hell, as I/the bible testifies that it is the Saviour's resurrected life that justifies.
Jesus came into the world to do for us that which we cannot do for ourselves.

That does not include Him walking in the law, and that law keeping is imputed to us, and justifies us-that is satanic.

Living a perfect life of perfect obedience according to God's law was one of the things that he did for us.

Yes, to be the satisfactory sacrifice, propitiation, not so that His perfect life in keeping the law is imputed to us, as you satanically keep asserting/spamming, on orders from your daddy the devil.

In doing that he justified us and removed us from the curse of the law.

No, His perfect life in keeping the law is not imputed to us, as you satanically keep asserting/spamming, on orders from your daddy the devil, and does not justify us.





His perfect life in keeping the law is not imputed to us, as you satanically keep asserting/spamming, on orders from your daddy the devil.

Someone had to fulfill the law for us.

Yes, to be the satisfactory sacrifice, propitiation, not so that His perfect life in keeping the law is imputed to us, as you satanically keep asserting/spamming, on orders from your daddy the devil.

"For as by one, man's disobedience (Adam) many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one (Christ) shall many be made righteous" Romans 5:19.

That obedience Paul references here, is Him going to the cross, not His fulfilling the law while on earth, and then this law keeping being imputed to us.



Fraud, perverter of the gospel of Christ, pawn of satan.
 

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Justification By Faith Alone

Justification By Faith Alone

God justifies the ungodly. He will not justify a good or a righteous man. Justification by faith alone teaches that the believing sinner is justified by faith alone without any works, especially any works done by grace. In the act of justification God declares the believing sinner righteous. This means that God declares that sinner—an ungodly man in that judgment—to have perfectly fulfilled God’s law, as perfectly in God's sight as if the sinner had never sinned and had fulfilled all righteousness himself. Thus that sinner is worthy of eternal life and every blessing of salvation. Belonging to this work and summarizing it is the act of God to forgive the sinner his sins for Christ’s sake.

In the justification of the believing sinner, the sinner’s righteousness is the perfect atoning death, righteousness, and holy works of Jesus Christ. That righteousness and that righteousness alone is the ground of all that God promises to and gives the sinner for his salvation. This righteousness obtains heaven, grace, access to God, fellowship with the Father, every blessing of salvation, and the enjoyment of those blessings in his conscience and experience. God loves the righteous. God blesses the righteous.

In justification God imputes to the sinner—or reckons to his account—that perfect righteousness of Christ by faith only. By in the phrase justification by faith alone means that faith is the only instrument to receive this saving righteousness of Christ. By faith alone God imputes to the sinner the righteousness of Christ. Thus the righteousness of Christ becomes the sinner’s; righteousness is reckoned to his account. Excluded are all works. God graciously justifies the sinner. The sinner’s good works do not add to his righteousness. His evil works do not detract from that righteousness. That righteousness is perfect, and no part of the sinner’s life thereafter can alter or change that reality. Were he to die at the moment of his justification, he would enter heaven.

Being justified by faith alone, the sinner is saved. Being justified, he is declared worthy of eternal life, of every blessing of salvation, and of the experience of those blessings. What scripture and the creeds mean when they teach that the justified sinner is declared worthy of eternal life must be understood correctly. Worthy of eternal life refers not only to eternity and the final judgment, but also to the sinner’s enjoyment of salvation and the covenant of God now. Because the righteousness of Christ obtains all of salvation, and because the sinner receives righteousness by faith only there is nothing for the believer’s works to obtain.

In this connection it is important to remember the apostle Paul’s chiding question to the foolish and bewitched Galatians who had apostatized from the truth of justification by faith alone and turned to works again: “This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?” (Gal. 3:2).

To have the Spirit is to
- have Christ, God, the covenant, to dwell in Christ and to have him dwelling in us, to possess eternal life, and to have also all the fruits of the Spirit such as love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance.
- enjoy fellowship with Christ and the living God, so that all the living water of Christ flows from him into the believer and flows out of the believer as a fountain of living water to the neighbor.
- have God working in us both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
- experience God as one’s God in the believer’s conscience and in his heart and in his whole life. The Spirit is salvation and the experience of salvation to the believer. There is no spiritual gift lacking to a human being who has the Spirit of Christ in him.
- have all the promises of God in principle. The Galatians did not have the Spirit “by the works of the law.”

By “works of the law,” Paul did not mean merely works of keeping the Old Testament law of Moses, but he meant any and all works, the same kind of works that he excluded from justification when he wrote, “For by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified” (2:16). Rather, the Galatians received the Spirit by the hearing of faith. As soon as they heard the gospel and believed, the Spirit was poured out on them. They received the Spirit by faith alone and not by works. Having the Spirit by faith, they had all of salvation and all of the experience of salvation by faith and not by the works of the law.

If faith is for righteousness—perfect righteousness, the righteousness of God himself worked out in the cross of Jesus Christ—there is absolutely nothing for works to obtain, and works cannot be instruments or means to obtain any part of salvation, no matter how little.

@Robert Pate appears to think that Jesus was justified by God, therefore, any who believe upon him are similarly declared justified. Error! Justification requires one to be a sinner. God does not justify the righteous...unless one is a Romanist and believes in their nonsense of initial and final justification.

The obedience of Our Lord in Romans 5:19 applies to his active (his voluntary subjection to the law) and passive (his suffering the penalty for sin unto death) obedience. The active and passive obedience of Jesus Christ are what propitiates (expiates, appeases) the wrath of God towards sin. For those that call upon the name of the Lord, the wrath of God no longer abides upon them, for God's wrath for their sin has been wholly appeased by His Son.

AMR
 

Robert Pate

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Made up, liar-others have challenged you on this satanic vicarious law keeping, admitted Reformed Calvinist Catholic.


I have the righteousness of God in Christ, as an everlasting possession, given to me freely, apart from the law, and you hate that, as you assert law keeping justifies, you wicked wolf.



No, devil child, you assert that law keeping is imputed, that the Saviour's life on earth is imputed for justification, which is from the pits of hell, as I/the bible testifies that it is the Saviour's resurrected life that justifies.


That does not include Him walking in the law, and that law keeping is imputed to us, and justifies us-that is satanic.



Yes, to be the satisfactory sacrifice, propitiation, not so that His perfect life in keeping the law is imputed to us, as you satanically keep asserting/spamming, on orders from your daddy the devil.



No, His perfect life in keeping the law is not imputed to us, as you satanically keep asserting/spamming, on orders from your daddy the devil, and does not justify us.





His perfect life in keeping the law is not imputed to us, as you satanically keep asserting/spamming, on orders from your daddy the devil.



Yes, to be the satisfactory sacrifice, propitiation, not so that His perfect life in keeping the law is imputed to us, as you satanically keep asserting/spamming, on orders from your daddy the devil.



That obedience Paul references here, is Him going to the cross, not His fulfilling the law while on earth, and then this law keeping being imputed to us.



Fraud, perverter of the gospel of Christ, pawn of satan.


Answer this question.

Who did Jesus fulfill the law for, himself or for us? Matthew 5:18.

It has to be one of the two, which is it?
 

musterion

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God never intended for his people to live according to laws and rules.

1. You rubbed JohnW's nose in it anyway.

2. Paul nowhere says Christ kept the Law for us, in that God reckons His perfect lawkeeping to us. That's what I've asked you for C&V on a few times but you've posted nothing on it.

3. If you're right that we're preaching only half the Gospel, then we're not just wrong. We're not saved.

4. If you're adding something to the Gospel that Paul did not say is there, then you're not.
 

Robert Pate

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God justifies the ungodly. He will not justify a good or a righteous man. Justification by faith alone teaches that the believing sinner is justified by faith alone without any works, especially any works done by grace. In the act of justification God declares the believing sinner righteous. This means that God declares that sinner—an ungodly man in that judgment—to have perfectly fulfilled God’s law, as perfectly in God's sight as if the sinner had never sinned and had fulfilled all righteousness himself. Thus that sinner is worthy of eternal life and every blessing of salvation. Belonging to this work and summarizing it is the act of God to forgive the sinner his sins for Christ’s sake.

In the justification of the believing sinner, the sinner’s righteousness is the perfect atoning death, righteousness, and holy works of Jesus Christ. That righteousness and that righteousness alone is the ground of all that God promises to and gives the sinner for his salvation. This righteousness obtains heaven, grace, access to God, fellowship with the Father, every blessing of salvation, and the enjoyment of those blessings in his conscience and experience. God loves the righteous. God blesses the righteous.

In justification God imputes to the sinner—or reckons to his account—that perfect righteousness of Christ by faith only. By in the phrase justification by faith alone means that faith is the only instrument to receive this saving righteousness of Christ. By faith alone God imputes to the sinner the righteousness of Christ. Thus the righteousness of Christ becomes the sinner’s; righteousness is reckoned to his account. Excluded are all works. God graciously justifies the sinner. The sinner’s good works do not add to his righteousness. His evil works do not detract from that righteousness. That righteousness is perfect, and no part of the sinner’s life thereafter can alter or change that reality. Were he to die at the moment of his justification, he would enter heaven.

Being justified by faith alone, the sinner is saved. Being justified, he is declared worthy of eternal life, of every blessing of salvation, and of the experience of those blessings. What scripture and the creeds mean when they teach that the justified sinner is declared worthy of eternal life must be understood correctly. Worthy of eternal life refers not only to eternity and the final judgment, but also to the sinner’s enjoyment of salvation and the covenant of God now. Because the righteousness of Christ obtains all of salvation, and because the sinner receives righteousness by faith only there is nothing for the believer’s works to obtain.

In this connection it is important to remember the apostle Paul’s chiding question to the foolish and bewitched Galatians who had apostatized from the truth of justification by faith alone and turned to works again: “This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?” (Gal. 3:2).

To have the Spirit is to
- have Christ, God, the covenant, to dwell in Christ and to have him dwelling in us, to possess eternal life, and to have also all the fruits of the Spirit such as love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance.
- enjoy fellowship with Christ and the living God, so that all the living water of Christ flows from him into the believer and flows out of the believer as a fountain of living water to the neighbor.
- have God working in us both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
- experience God as one’s God in the believer’s conscience and in his heart and in his whole life. The Spirit is salvation and the experience of salvation to the believer. There is no spiritual gift lacking to a human being who has the Spirit of Christ in him.
- have all the promises of God in principle. The Galatians did not have the Spirit “by the works of the law.”

By “works of the law,” Paul did not mean merely works of keeping the Old Testament law of Moses, but he meant any and all works, the same kind of works that he excluded from justification when he wrote, “For by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified” (2:16). Rather, the Galatians received the Spirit by the hearing of faith. As soon as they heard the gospel and believed, the Spirit was poured out on them. They received the Spirit by faith alone and not by works. Having the Spirit by faith, they had all of salvation and all of the experience of salvation by faith and not by the works of the law.

If faith is for righteousness—perfect righteousness, the righteousness of God himself worked out in the cross of Jesus Christ—there is absolutely nothing for works to obtain, and works cannot be instruments or means to obtain any part of salvation, no matter how little.

@Robert Pate appears to think that Jesus was justified by God, therefore, any who believe upon him are similarly declared justified. Error! Justification requires one to be a sinner. God does not justify the righteous...unless one is a Romanist and believes in their nonsense of initial and final justification.

The obedience of Our Lord in Romans 5:19 applies to his active (his voluntary subjection to the law) and passive (his suffering the penalty for sin unto death) obedience. The active and passive obedience of Jesus Christ are what propitiates (expiates, appeases) the wrath of God towards sin. For those that call upon the name of the Lord, the wrath of God no longer abides upon them, for God's wrath for their sin has been wholly appeased by His Son.

AMR

Jesus justifies the ungodly by doing for the ungodly that which he cannot do for himself. In our name and on our behalf he offers to God the Father a life of perfect obedience according to his Holy Law. In our name and on our behalf he atones for our sins and the sins of the whole world. It is the life and the death of Jesus that Reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18.19.
 

Robert Pate

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1. You rubbed JohnW's nose in it anyway.

2. Paul nowhere says Christ kept the Law for us, in that God reckons His perfect lawkeeping to us. That's what I've asked you for C&V on a few times but you've posted nothing on it.

3. If you're right that we're preaching only half the Gospel, then we're not just wrong. We're not saved.

4. If you're adding something to the Gospel that Paul did not say is there, then you're not.

Who did Jesus fulfill the law for? Matthew 5:18. Did he fulfill it for himself? Or did he fulfill it for us?
 

john w

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Answer this question.

Who did Jesus fulfill the law for, himself or for us? Matthew 5:18.

It has to be one of the two, which is it?
Already answered, you devious little devil. That is your MO on TOL,sloppy Pate, besides just spamming satanic "doctrine," i.e., you ask a question, present an argument, you are answered/challenged, and then you straw man, and keep spamming the same assertion/questions, even though they have been addressed/answered, more than once.


You are a deceitful poser.

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?128321-The-Justification-of-the-Ungodly-Romans-4-5/page2

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Now think about this John W, who did he fulfill the law for? He didn't fulfill it for himself because he was without sin. He was the law of God incarnate in human flesh. He was 100% righteous, Romans 3:21. So having eliminated the idea that Jesus fulfilled the law for himself, we are left with us. Jesus fulfilled the law for us. In our name and on our behalf Jesus fulfilled the law.

Sophistry-more straw man. That is slick, Pate. Slower, moron: He did fulfill the law for us, deceiver, but the point of contention is for what reason. You satanically assert/spam that assert that we are justified by "A life of perfect obedience according to his Holy Law" by the Saviour, as this law keeping is imputed.No, satan follower, we are justified by His resurrected life, not his "A life of perfect obedience according to his Holy Law." We are justified apart from the law, devil child, and the Saviour is righteous, apart from the law, and not one scripture asserts the devilish "doctrine" you satanically spam, i.e., His law
keeping is imputed to the believer-that is a perversion of the gospel of Christ, sloppy Pate.

Slower, moron-He fulfilled it for us to be qualified as the satisfactory sacrifice, the lamb w/o spot/blemish-propitiation.


You have been told this time, after time, but deviously keep straw manning.
 
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