The question was why was reconciliation needed before you were even born?
Pate claims infants and small children are sinners even though they haven't sinned.
The question was why was reconciliation needed before you were even born?
The question was not "did God provide everything for our salvation". If that was the question, then yes, you answered it. But that was NOT the question. The question was why was reconciliation needed before you were even born? Can you state how and why you were not reconciled to God before you were even born? Did God declare you estranged before He created you? Were you born somewhere else before entering this world, and alienated yourself from God?
Pate claims infants and small children are sinners even though they haven't sinned.
Your questions are those of a 10 year old. Do you have a Bible? Do you ever read it?
You said you taught children Sunday School years ago (poor kids), you should know that when you interact with a 10 year old, you must lower yourself to their level of understanding and use words and illustrations that they can comprehend. Am I still over your head?
And by the way, I have many Bibles and read them, that's why I attempt to understand why much of what you post here is nothing like what I have been reading.
Psalm 51:5.
You said you taught children Sunday School years ago (poor kids), you should know that when you interact with a 10 year old, you must lower yourself to their level of understanding and use words and illustrations that they can comprehend. Am I still over your head?
And by the way, I have many Bibles and read them, that's why I attempt to understand why much of what you post here is nothing like what I have been reading.
Please enlighten us on how God condemns people from everlasting. Talk about the good news, that's going to bring truck loads of people into the gospel or should I say goat-spell!
You'll have to ask Pate about God condemning from everlasting; that's his doctrine, not mine.
No it's your doctrine. Pate teaches that Christ saved the whole world in one fell swoop and then sent out 12 apostles to spread the good news. Hey, that's what we find in the bible and Calvin wasn't an apostle.
Feel free to show which post(s) where I claim such nonsense.
Why don't you state your affiliation. It should be mandatory on these forums anyway.
We don't need any more label makers. Just stick with what people post.
Raised Lutheran for 38 years, became a believer, attended independent churchesSo are you some flavor of Reformed? There's only about a thousand varieties these days.
Epoisses,
So where's the post or posts where I claim to believe in eternal condemnation?
If you read your Bible you would understand the Gospel and justification by faith. My opening post is full of scriptures, you don't agree with them.
Why don't you state your affiliation. It should be mandatory on these forums anyway.
Why is reconciliation needed before you are even born?
Before we were born we had already been reconciled unto God by Jesus Christ.