The Good Wine

[S-word]

For instance Raguel is mentioned as one of the seven holy Angels who watch in 1Enoch. In the book of Tobit you will find that there is a man by the same name whose wife's name is Edna, that is the same name as the wife of Enoch in 1Enoch, and which is a variant for Eden, (Ed-nah, "Edenah"). Who therefore is Yithro, ("Jethro")? His name means "His Excellency", but elsewhere he is surely called Raguel. Why does Moshe call him "His Excellency"? Is it merely because he is Kohen of Midyan? Who therefore is the Kohen of Midyan, whose name is Raguel, whom Moshe calls "His Excellency", and who in the book of Tobit has a wife by the name of Edna-Eden? It is none other than Enoch, Kohen of Midyan after the order of the Melki-Tzedek Elohim Priesthood. Moshe therefore marries into the Melki-Tzedek Elohim Priesthood by way of marriage to one of the seven daughters of "His Excellency", Enoch-Raguel. What is the name of the daughter whom Moshe marries? Her name is Tsipporah, that is, a clean bird. Moshe therefore marries into the Melki-Tzedek Elohim Priesthood by way of marriage to one of seven "little birdies" which are the daughters of the doctrines of His Excellency, Enoch-Raguel, Kohen Gadol by the order of Melki-Tzedek, (which is a higher order than that of Ahron and why Ahron is never called haKohen haGadol in the Torah). And all of that I have from the Torah to back up what I say about Enoch. See what I mean? Smaller chunks, please, so we can discuss them a little here and a little there.

Does it make you feel important, speaking in some German/Judaeo, Yiddish/English corruption? Have you never learned to speak in English?

Zipporah the daughter of Jethro, was the first wife of Moses, his second wife was Jephunneh the daughter of Hobab the Kennite, she was the widow of a man from the tribe of Judah, and the mother of the 40 year old Caleb, who became the adopted son of Moses.

The Septuagint, The Jerusalem bible, the KJV, Judges 4: 11; Now Heber the Kenite, which was of the children of Hobab the father in law of Moses, had severed himself from the Kenites, and pitched his tent unto the plain of Zaanaim, which is by Kedesh.

Numbers 12: 1l And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

She was Jephunneh, the daughter of Hobab, the second father-in-law to Moses.

 

[daqq]

Does it make you feel important, speaking in some German/Judaeo, Yiddish/English corruption? Have you never learned to speak in English?

Angst and bitterness will get you nowhere.
Please find somewhere else to post your tripe.

 

[S-word]

Continued from post #38.

While hanging on the cross, Jesus cried out, My God, My God, why have you abandoned me, Just as the living spirit of Enoch the Christ/the anointed one who could not die, but after duplicating himself in Jesus, he ceased to be an individual entity by releasing all of the righteous spirits upon who he had evolved.

Those were the spirits who came out of their graves, and three days later, entered the city and showed themselves as the risen Christ.

One would expect the risen body of Christ the anointed one, to appear to the family of Jesus first, and this is exactly what we see.*

The first to see one of they, who were of body of the risen Christ, the 365 day old unblemished Lamb of God, reborn on earth as Jesus who was offered up for our sake, (Jesus himself didn't die with the death of his body) were his Mother, Mary the wife of Cleophas and her “Adelphe” (Sister-in-law) Mary Magdalene, who, although looking straight at him, thought that he was the gardener, until he spoke her name.*

The next to who one of the risen body of Christ appeared, were Cleophas who is also called Alpheas, who is the biological father of James the youngest of Mary's three biological sons, and James, as we know, was the first to sit on the Episcopal throne of the church of the circumcision.

Cleophas was the husband of Mary and biological father of James, who was walking to Emmaus with his son Simon, 'to another marriage,' and it was this Simon who was to inherit the Episcopal throne of the church of the circumcision after his half brother 'James the righteous,' was killed at the instigation of the same Sadducee sect that had Jesus the full brother to James who was born of the same womb, killed.*

Although Cleophas and Simon walked and talked with one of the risen body of Christ for some kilometres, they did not recognise him for who he was, until Simon saw the manner in which he broke the bread, Cleophas then returned to Jerusalem, where eleven of the disciples, which included Simon Peter and Simon the Patriot, were cowering in a darkened room, the only one absent that evening when Jesus appeared in that dimly lit room in the form that they recognised as Jesus, was Thomas Didymus Jude, another son of Cleophas the carpenter, and a half brother of Jesus, who was called the Twin, although nowhere does the bible say that he was an actual twin or whether he just held a striking resemblance to someone else. But back to Cleophas, who said to the eleven, "He has risen, he appeared to Simon," who was of course Simon the half brother of Jesus.

Simeon the half brother to Jesus, was the one who succeeded ‘James the younger’ as the head of the church founded by Jesus.*

Then there were the seven disciples who were fishing on Lake Galilee having no success at all, when someone on the bank told them to throw their net on the right side of the boat in which they caught 153 fishes, sitting down to eat with the person who had a fire prepared with fish on it and some bread, not one of the seven disciples of Jesus who had walked and talked with him, dared to ask who he was, but they understood that he was of the risen body of Christ. Even when he ascended up into heaven as a cloud, some of the 11 disciples doubted that it was he.*

Perhaps Jude the son of Alpheaus/Cleophas was called the twin because he held such a striking resemblance to one with whom he shared a common father! As there are other instances in the New Testament, where an individual has three names, one in Hebrew, one in Greek, and one in Aramaic, Perhaps Cleophas the “GREEK” for ‘Of a renown father' and Alphaeus, the “ARAMAIC” for ‘Of a renown father,' are one and the same as Joseph “HEBREW” the son of Alexander Helios, “A FATHER OF RENOWN?” Perhaps this is why Jude the son of the carpenter and brother of Jesus, was called, "THE TWIN."*

It was not uncommon for men of Galilee in those days to carry three names, one in Hebrew, one in Greek, and one in Aramaic. The son of Mark Anthony and Cleopatra, ‘Alexander Helios,’ who sired Joseph the biological father of Jesus, would have been seen as a father of renowned. Alpheaus and Cleophas, in Young’ s Analytical Concordance Subject Guide, are said to be one and the same person: From the Subject Guide; “Cleophas, husband of Mary, also called Alpheaus.”

Joseph, the biological father of Jesus, was the son of Alexander Helios/Heli a father of renowned who was murdered by Herod the Great in 13 BC. Cleophas, the Masculine form of Cleopatra, is the Greek, meaning: “Of a renowned father,” and Alpheaus, is the Aramaic of the same meaning: “Of a renowned father.”

Thomas=Tau’ma, the Aramiac for twin, is also called Didymus, which is the Greek for twin, he is Thomas/twin, Didymus/twin, Jude, the half-brother of Jesus and the son of the carpenter. A local tradition of eastern Syria identifies the Apostle Jude with Jude Thomas who was called ‘The Twin’ also known as Thomas (Aramaic), Didymus (Greek), and Jude (Hebrew.)

Knowing that in ART, Thomas Didymus Jude, the son of Alpheaus/Cleophas, is depicted with a, carpenters rule and square. In "The Acts of Thomas, sometimes called by its full name, "The Acts of Judas Thomas," 2nd-3rd century CE, "The Apostles cast lots as to where they should go, and to Thomas, brother to Jesus, fell India. Thomas was taken to King Goddophares the ruler of Indo-Pathian Kingdom as an architect and carpenter by Habban.”

We must now ask the question, "Who is the Carpenter to whom Mary was married at that time, when her family consisted of James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? Was it Joseph the son of Jacob from the tribe of Judah, who was her first legitimate husband, or was it Alpheaus/Cleophas the second husband of Mary and the Father of James the younger, the biological son of Mary and the youngest boy in the family, plus Simon and Judas, who is also called Thomas Didymus Jude, meaning twin?

Hegesippus, mentions descendant of Jude living in the reign of Domitian, 81-96 AD.

In his book, “Historia Ecclesiae” Eusebius wrote; “But when the same Domitian had commanded the descendants of David should be slain, an ancient tradition says that some of the heretics brought accusations against the descendants of Jude (Said to have been a brother of the saviour according to the flesh) on the grounds that they were of the lineage of David and were related to Christ himself.

Hegesippus relates these facts in the following words; “Of the family of the Lord there were still living the grandchildren of Jude (The Twin) who is said to have been the Lord’s brother according to the flesh.

Although the bible calls Thomas Jude, ‘The twin,” it is not known if he was an actual twin, or if he simply held a striking resemblance to one of the sons sired by his father Joseph/Alpheaus/Cleophas.

 

[daqq]

:troll:

For some reason I keep smelling that stench that exudes from the words of Evil.Eye.

:rip:

 

[jsanford108]

“Do I believe that our God, ‘THE SON OF MAN,’ the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, came in the flesh, and the answer is ‘YES.’ He descended upon the man Jesus as he came up out of the baptismal waters of the Jordan, and filled him with his spirit, as the heavenly voice was heard to say; “You are my son, (My chosen successor) ‘THIS DAY’ I have begotten thee.”


Who is the prophet that the God/JHWH is referring to here?

Peter confirms that Jesus was that man, when in reference to Jesus he says in. Acts 3: 22; For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc."

Catholic Study Edition , GNB: Repent then and turn to God (Not Jesus) so that he will forgive your sins. If you do, times of spiritual strength will come from the Lord, and He will send Jesus, who is the Messiah that he has already CHOSEN for you. The man Jesus, was chosen and made both Lord and saviour by "WHO I AM/JHWH".

Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD" Verifying that they believed Jesus to be the one that God had promised that he would choose from among the Israelites, and send to the people to speak in his name.

Jesus who admits that he spoke not one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to say by our Lord God and saviour, says in John 5: 24; "Whoever hear my words (The words that he was commanded to say) and believes in "HIM" who sent me, has eternal life.


Whose words were these in reference to the body of Jesus, which had been filled by the spirit of the Lord that had descended upon him in the form of a dove?

"Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up?"

If those were the words of the man Jesus, we would expect to see that Jesus raised himself from death, but if they were the words of the Lord who filled the man Jesus with his spirit and chose him to speak in his name, then they would have been the words that the Lord commanded his obedient servant Jesus to speak, and we would expect to see that it was the Lord who raised the man Jesus to life, as seen in...............

Acts 17: 31; For He (The Lord) has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

Careful, scholastic, and academic reading of the Bible will reveal this theory that the man Jesus, was the body that God had prepared for his Son who was equal to himself in everyway, to be correct. See Hebrew 10: 5.

Allow me to work through these quotes point by point.

"Do I believe...": The key here is your addition (which I know you added for emphasis) of "My chosen successor." First, this is a theological addition, not a clarification. Second, "successor" (by definition) implies that the one currently in charge, God, is stepping down and receding His position to, Christ, the man. IE: God is letting a Man rule Heaven and earth. That simply cannot be right. The worst part of this is not just the poor word choice, but the theological implications.

All your Scripture references: You have altered words to place distinction. For example, the Deut quote replacing God with YHVH. Why? The simple answer is to add a distinction so your theory and doctrine will be proved true. But altering creates an unsound foundation, for it is easily destroyed since to prove a theory/doctrine, it required altering verses.

Catholic Study Edition: Once again, you added emphasis, which alters the reading. It does not say "Not Jesus." It doesn't hint to "not Jesus." The creed recited by Catholics since 325 AD is "I believe in One Lord Jesus Christ. Born of the Father before all ages. God from God. Light from Light. True God from True God. Begotten not made. Consubstantial with the Father. Through Him all things were made. For us men and our salvation, He came down from Heaven, and by the Holy Spirit, was incarnate of the Virgin Mary. He became man. For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate. He suffered death and was buried. And rose again on the third day, in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into Heaven and is seated at the right Hand of the Father." It goes on. But that is enough to prove my point.

Did the people believe: Some did. Few yes, but some. The disciples certainly believed. There are plenty of quotes, letters, and entire Books (Gospels) to support this. Did the Jews believe? Of course not. That is why they wanted Him killed. He was a blasphemer to them. Saying "I Am," and "The Father and I are one." They knew what He was saying. He was saying He was God.

Jesus never denied His authority. He above all gave glory and honor to God, the Father. But He never denied Himself. Your point of "Jesus admits that he never spoke one word of his authority..." is a twisting of the quote to fit within the confines of your doctrine.

If those were the words of the man Jesus...: Once again, a twisting of what the passages say and reveal. Once again, twisted to fit within your doctrine. Centuries of scholars are in disagreement with you. Sure, Gnostics are in agreement. Even Mormons. But not anyone who actually reads and studying the Bible, history, ancient cultures, etc.

Careful, scholastic, and academic reading: Once again, false. As before, centuries of scholars, academics, etc all disagree. The Trinity is a doctrine that has been held since Christ's resurrection. Even the apostles taught it. Peter, in the Gospel, professed it in Matthew 16, and at the Transfiguration (Matthew 17, Luke 9:28-36).

What is evident is an altering of Scriptures, twisting of meanings, and deliberate ignoring of passages in order to create a doctrine of "Christ is man only."

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Nice!

Thanks brother.

Our Comforter gave me a pat on the back for that one too. :e4e:

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Angst and bitterness will get you nowhere.
Please find somewhere else to post your tripe.

Somebody needs to burn his ticket.

 

[daqq]

Somebody needs to burn his ticket.

Cling to the Father and His holy Name.

 

[Zeke]

Somebody needs to burn his ticket.

PERSON conned concerned, Gets/keeps the first Adam looking outside for a solution to a inward key.

 

[Zeke]

 

[S-word]

Allow me to work through these quotes point by point.

"Do I believe...": The key here is your addition (which I know you added for emphasis) of "My chosen successor." First, this is a theological addition, not a clarification. Second, "successor" (by definition) implies that the one currently in charge, God, is stepping down and receding His position to, Christ, the man. IE: God is letting a Man rule Heaven and earth. That simply cannot be right. The worst part of this is not just the poor word choice, but the theological implications.

All your Scripture references: You have altered words to place distinction. For example, the Deut quote replacing God with YHVH. Why? The simple answer is to add a distinction so your theory and doctrine will be proved true. But altering creates an unsound foundation, for it is easily destroyed since to prove a theory/doctrine, it required altering verses.

Catholic Study Edition: Once again, you added emphasis, which alters the reading. It does not say "Not Jesus." It doesn't hint to "not Jesus." The creed recited by Catholics since 325 AD is "I believe in One Lord Jesus Christ. Born of the Father before all ages. God from God. Light from Light. True God from True God. Begotten not made. Consubstantial with the Father. Through Him all things were made. For us men and our salvation, He came down from Heaven, and by the Holy Spirit, was incarnate of the Virgin Mary. He became man. For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate. He suffered death and was buried. And rose again on the third day, in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into Heaven and is seated at the right Hand of the Father." It goes on. But that is enough to prove my point.

Did the people believe: Some did. Few yes, but some. The disciples certainly believed. There are plenty of quotes, letters, and entire Books (Gospels) to support this. Did the Jews believe? Of course not. That is why they wanted Him killed. He was a blasphemer to them. Saying "I Am," and "The Father and I are one." They knew what He was saying. He was saying He was God.

Jesus never denied His authority. He above all gave glory and honor to God, the Father. But He never denied Himself. Your point of "Jesus admits that he never spoke one word of his authority..." is a twisting of the quote to fit within the confines of your doctrine.

If those were the words of the man Jesus...: Once again, a twisting of what the passages say and reveal. Once again, twisted to fit within your doctrine. Centuries of scholars are in disagreement with you. Sure, Gnostics are in agreement. Even Mormons. But not anyone who actually reads and studying the Bible, history, ancient cultures, etc.

Careful, scholastic, and academic reading: Once again, false. As before, centuries of scholars, academics, etc all disagree. The Trinity is a doctrine that has been held since Christ's resurrection. Even the apostles taught it. Peter, in the Gospel, professed it in Matthew 16, and at the Transfiguration (Matthew 17, Luke 9:28-36).

What is evident is an altering of Scriptures, twisting of meanings, and deliberate ignoring of passages in order to create a doctrine of "Christ is man only."

dagg wrote........"Do I believe...": The key here is your addition (which I know you added for emphasis) of "My chosen successor." First, this is a theological addition, not a clarification. Second, "successor" (by definition) implies that the one currently in charge, God, is stepping down and receding His position to, Christ, the man. IE: God is letting a Man rule Heaven and earth. That simply cannot be right. The worst part of this is not just the poor word choice, but the theological implications.

S-word Responds........When the Son of Man, (Mankind is the bride of God) who is the Son of God, was about to come into the world, he said to God; “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me.”

Question: Whose was the body that God had prepared for his anointed one?

Were the miracles that were performed through the man Jesus, his own miracles, or were they the Miracles of our Father, our parental spirit, who dwells behind the veil of the flesh, within the inner most sanctuary of his temporary tent, which is the body of mankind as he awaits the creation of his glorious Temple of Light?

Were the words spoken through Jesus in reference to his body; “Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up?” His own words, or were they the words of our Lord who raised the man Jesus from death?

Acts 17: 30-31; God has over looked the times when people did not know him, but now he commands all of them everywhere to turn away from their evil ways. For he has fixed a day in which he shall judge the whole world with Justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

Question: “Who was this MAN, who our Lord raised from death?

Could this MAN be the one spoken of in Isaiah 42: 1; The Lord says; Here is my servant, whom I strengthen------the one I have CHOSEN with whom I am pleased. I have filled him with my spirit, and he will bring Justice to every nation, etc.

Could this MAN whom the Lord had CHOSEN and who he filled with his spirit, which was all the wisdom, knowledge and insight that had been gained by our Father in his ascension to the ends of time, be the man Jesus, who was culmination of all the spirits of the righteous who had paid the blood price for sin, who were then judged and separated from the unrighteous dead and who were gathered to the living evolving spirit of our Father ‘Enoch’ within the bosom of Abraham?

Concerning Enoch himself, we read in the book of Enoch the prophet, chapter 37: 4; “Until the present day such wisdom has never been given by the Lord of Spirits as I have received according to my insight, according to the good pleasure of the Lord of Spirits by whom the lot of eternal life has been given unto me.

That is verified in Hebrew 11: 5.

In chapter 39; Enoch speaks of the elect one of righteousness that he saw in his vision, and in verse 8, he says; “There I wished to dwell. And my spirit longed for that dwelling place: and there henceforth hath been my portion. For so hath it been established concerning me before the Lord of Spirits.”

In chapter 49, when speaking of the elect one of righteousness, the dwelling place of Enoch, verse 3; Enoch says; “In him dwells the spirit of wisdom, and the spirit that gives insight, and the spirit of understanding and of might, AND THE SPIRIT OF THOSE WHO HAVE FALLEN ASLEEP IN RIGHTEOUSNESS. And he shall judge the secret things, and none shall be able to utter a lying word before him, for he is the elect one before the Lord of Spirits according to his good pleasure.

Chapter 51; “And in those days, the elect one of righteousness shall sit upon my throne,” says our Father Enoch.

The only way that (The Son of man) who has to pay the death penalty for the sins of the body (Mankind) in which he develops, could die, was to cease to be an individual entity, by releasing all of the spirits who had fallen asleep in righteousness, and who had been gathered to him, in his ascension to the ends of time, these were they who came out of their graves when Jesus gave up his indwelling spirit. But before the Anointed one gave up his life, He chose the Man Jesus as his son and the successor to his heavenly throne.

While the spirits that are he, now live within the inner spiritual dimension, gathering to themselves, all the spirits of their descendants, who fall asleep in righteousness, and when each of them has gathered the required number, whose righteous blood will be the ransom price for one of their living descendants, they, like Enoch, will choose an earthly host body to fill with their living Spirits, and they, the resurrected body of the anointed one, who are the first resurrection of the dead, see Revelation 20: 5; will take the thrones that have been prepared for them and reign as kings for a thousand years.

Chapter 104: 12; Then I know another mystery, that books shall be given to the righteous and the wise to become a cause of joy and uprightness and much wisdom. And to them shall the books be given, and they shall believe in them and rejoice over them, and then shall all the righteous who have learned there from all the paths of uprightness be recompensed.

Enoch our Father, then goes on to say in 105: 1; In those days the Lord bade them to summons and testify to the children of earth concerning their wisdom: Show it unto them; for ye are their guides, and a recompense over the whole earth. FOR I AND MY SON will be united with them forever in the paths of uprightness in their lives; and ye shall have peace; rejoice ye children of uprightness, Amen.

108: 11; And now (Says Enoch) I will summons the spirits of the good who belong to the generation of Light, and I will transform those who were born in darkness, who, in the flesh were not recompensed with the honour as their faithfulness deserved. And I will bring forth in shining light those WHO HAVE LOVED MY HOLY NAME, and I will seat each one on the throne of his honour. And they shall be resplendent for times without number.

 

[jsanford108]

dagg wrote........"Do I believe...": The key here is your addition (which I know you added for emphasis) of "My chosen successor." First, this is a theological addition, not a clarification. Second, "successor" (by definition) implies that the one currently in charge, God, is stepping down and receding His position to, Christ, the man. IE: God is letting a Man rule Heaven and earth. That simply cannot be right. The worst part of this is not just the poor word choice, but the theological implications.

S-word Responds........When the Son of Man, (Mankind is the bride of God) who is the Son of God, was about to come into the world, he said to God; “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me.”

Question: Whose was the body that God had prepared for his anointed one?

Were the miracles that were performed through the man Jesus, his own miracles, or were they the Miracles of our Father, our parental spirit, who dwells behind the veil of the flesh, within the inner most sanctuary of his temporary tent, which is the body of mankind as he awaits the creation of his glorious Temple of Light?

Were the words spoken through Jesus in reference to his body; “Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up?” His own words, or were they the words of our Lord who raised the man Jesus from death?

Acts 17: 30-31; God has over looked the times when people did not know him, but now he commands all of them everywhere to turn away from their evil ways. For he has fixed a day in which he shall judge the whole world with Justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

Question: “Who was this MAN, who our Lord raised from death?

Could this MAN be the one spoken of in Isaiah 42: 1; The Lord says; Here is my servant, whom I strengthen------the one I have CHOSEN with whom I am pleased. I have filled him with my spirit, and he will bring Justice to every nation, etc.

Could this MAN whom the Lord had CHOSEN and who he filled with his spirit, which was all the wisdom, knowledge and insight that had been gained by our Father in his ascension to the ends of time, be the man Jesus, who was culmination of all the spirits of the righteous who had paid the blood price for sin, who were then judged and separated from the unrighteous dead and who were gathered to the living evolving spirit of our Father ‘Enoch’ within the bosom of Abraham?

Concerning Enoch himself, we read in the book of Enoch the prophet, chapter 37: 4; “Until the present day such wisdom has never been given by the Lord of Spirits as I have received according to my insight, according to the good pleasure of the Lord of Spirits by whom the lot of eternal life has been given unto me.

That is verified in Hebrew 11: 5.

In chapter 39; Enoch speaks of the elect one of righteousness that he saw in his vision, and in verse 8, he says; “There I wished to dwell. And my spirit longed for that dwelling place: and there henceforth hath been my portion. For so hath it been established concerning me before the Lord of Spirits.”

In chapter 49, when speaking of the elect one of righteousness, the dwelling place of Enoch, verse 3; Enoch says; “In him dwells the spirit of wisdom, and the spirit that gives insight, and the spirit of understanding and of might, AND THE SPIRIT OF THOSE WHO HAVE FALLEN ASLEEP IN RIGHTEOUSNESS. And he shall judge the secret things, and none shall be able to utter a lying word before him, for he is the elect one before the Lord of Spirits according to his good pleasure.

Chapter 51; “And in those days, the elect one of righteousness shall sit upon my throne,” says our Father Enoch.

The only way that (The Son of man) who has to pay the death penalty for the sins of the body (Mankind) in which he develops, could die, was to cease to be an individual entity, by releasing all of the spirits who had fallen asleep in righteousness, and who had been gathered to him, in his ascension to the ends of time, these were they who came out of their graves when Jesus gave up his indwelling spirit. But before the Anointed one gave up his life, He chose the Man Jesus as his son and the successor to his heavenly throne.

While the spirits that are he, now live within the inner spiritual dimension, gathering to themselves, all the spirits of their descendants, who fall asleep in righteousness, and when each of them has gathered the required number, whose righteous blood will be the ransom price for one of their living descendants, they, like Enoch, will choose an earthly host body to fill with their living Spirits, and they, the resurrected body of the anointed one, who are the first resurrection of the dead, see Revelation 20: 5; will take the thrones that have been prepared for them and reign as kings for a thousand years.

Chapter 104: 12; Then I know another mystery, that books shall be given to the righteous and the wise to become a cause of joy and uprightness and much wisdom. And to them shall the books be given, and they shall believe in them and rejoice over them, and then shall all the righteous who have learned there from all the paths of uprightness be recompensed.

Enoch our Father, then goes on to say in 105: 1; In those days the Lord bade them to summons and testify to the children of earth concerning their wisdom: Show it unto them; for ye are their guides, and a recompense over the whole earth. FOR I AND MY SON will be united with them forever in the paths of uprightness in their lives; and ye shall have peace; rejoice ye children of uprightness, Amen.

108: 11; And now (Says Enoch) I will summons the spirits of the good who belong to the generation of Light, and I will transform those who were born in darkness, who, in the flesh were not recompensed with the honour as their faithfulness deserved. And I will bring forth in shining light those WHO HAVE LOVED MY HOLY NAME, and I will seat each one on the throne of his honour. And they shall be resplendent for times without number.

All you have done is expound upon a Christ-man doctrine. There is no evidence here to support it. Most of your points are biased extrapolation and explanation to make verses fit into your doctrine. The mental gymnastics are impressive.

To your questions: first one; technically Mary's body was the one prepared for Christ/God.

The miracles performed and the words spoken were Christ's and Gods. At the same time. Because they are one.


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[S-word]

All you have done is expound upon a Christ-man doctrine. There is no evidence here to support it. Most of your points are biased extrapolation and explanation to make verses fit into your doctrine. The mental gymnastics are impressive.

To your questions: first one; technically Mary's body was the one prepared for Christ/God.

The miracles performed and the words spoken were Christ's and Gods. At the same time. Because they are one.


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In the margins of the Good News catholic study bible, it is said that the word Azazel is unknown and may be the name of a desert demon. See leviticus chapter 16.

According to the ancient writings, it was in the days of Enoch’s Father ‘Jared’, which name means ‘Descending,’ that 200 Sons of God who Enoch describes as watchers or observers, descended and introduced into the primitive culture of mankind, technology that was about equivalent to that which had been achieved three thousand years in the future.

Crucifixion was a rite in the mysteries of many countries and especially those of Egypt, See ‘The Secret Doctrines,’ vol. 11, p. 558. The initiated adept, who had successfully passed all the trials, was tied to a cross deep inside a Temple Crypt or cave, he was then drugged and plunged into a deep sleep in which state, in the darkness of the bowels of the earth, he remained for three days and three nights, during which time his spirit=mind, is said to have descended into hades to communicate with the gods.

Perhaps Moses, who was the adopted son of Pharaoh and who would have been afforded the best education in the country may have been initiated into the circle of the guardians of the sacred secrets. Moses took the bread or the sacred teachings of Egypt and removed the yeast and gave to the Israelites the unleavened loaf that came down from God. --------- In the religious regulations established by Moses, Aaron would place his hand upon the head of a scapegoat, symbolically transferring the sins of Israel to the goat, which was then sent out into the wilderness to Azazel. Now where do you suppose Moses received this teaching, the only source that I can find is written here.

“And Michael said to the heavenly Lord, "Seest what Azazel hath done, who hath taught all unrighteousness on earth and has revealed the eternal secrets which were preserved in heaven, which men were striving to learn. And Semjaza, to whom you have given authority to bear rule over his associates (The other 199 sons of God) and they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth and have slept with them and revealed to them all kinds of sin etc.

And Azael taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth (Tubal-cain, from a previous age of man had been an instructor of every artificer in brass and iron, which knowledge was stored in heaven when that age came to it's end) and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tintures etc.

The Lord then passed judgment on the angels who had forsaken their own original abode and came down and defiled themselves with the daughters of men.

They were to be bound and cast into the valley of the earth until seventy generations had passed, (Jesus was seventy generations from Enoch, see Luke 3: 23-38, but Azazel was punished separate from the others, He was taken out into the wilderness to a place called 'Dudael,' where he was cast into a deep pit and covered with rough and jagged stone, and all sin was to be ascribed to him. See The Book of Enoch the prophet 10: 4-8.

Moses could not have known that all sin was to be ascribed to Azazel, other than from the words of righteous Enoch.

Jude, the half brother to Jesus, quotes verbatim from the words of Righteous Enoch, while Peter, Paul and even Jesus himself, also quote from the teachings of Enoch.

The Books of Enoch were cherished by the early Christians right up until the 4th century, when, under the ban of the authorities of the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, such as Jerome, Hilary and Augustine, they finally passed out of circulation and were thought to have been lost for millennia.

 

[S-word]

Continued from post #53.

Jsanford108 Wrote........All you have done is expound upon a Christ-man doctrine. There is no evidence here to support it. Most of your points are biased extrapolation and explanation to make verses fit into your doctrine. The mental gymnastics are impressive.

To your questions: first one; technically Mary's body was the one prepared for Christ/God.

The miracles performed and the words spoken were Christ's and Gods. At the same time. Because they are one.

S-word's Response........The word 'CHRIST' means the 'ANOINTED ONE.'

And there is only one man, in scripture who is said to have been carried to God and translated in order that he should never see death.

Genesis 5: 23; Enoch was 365 and had spent his life in fellowship with God when he disappeared because God had Taken him.

Hebrews 11: 5; "By faith Enoch was Translated (To change from one form to another) so that he should not experience death; and he was not found, because God had Translated him.

Enoch, the most important man in the OT and the NT, and yet he has been rejected by both the Jesish church and the Roman church of Emperor Constantine.

The stone that the builders of those churches rejected, has turned out to be the Most important Stone of all.

"The Book of the Secrets of Enoch" 22: 8; "And I fell prone and bowed down to the Lord, and the Lord with his lips said to me: "Have courage, Enoch, do not fear, arise and stand before my face into eternity."

And the archistratiege Michael lifted me up, and led me before the Lord"s face.

And the Most High, (who held the ransom blood of righteous Abel) said to the glorious creatures that surrounded him, tempting them: "Let Enoch stand before my face into eternity," and the glorious creatures bowed down to the Lord, and said: "Let Enoch go [Or be released] according to Thy word." Enoch, the cornerstone to whom all the spirits of the righteous were united in his ascension to the Throne of the MOST HIGH, was the first to be released.

The Great and glorious simulacrum which is the sacrifice that God has prepared for us, and of which Enoch was the chosen cornerstone, dies in the process of involution, to be the saviour of we in evolution, This he does by releasing all the righteous spirits that are He, from the least to the greatest, and Enoch the chosen cornerstone, which you have rejected, was the first.

And the Lord said to Michael: "Go take Enoch from out his earthly garments, and anoint him with my sweet ointment, and put him into the garments of my glory." [Enoch, the one who was anointed as the successor to the Godhead: CHRIST=The anointed one]

And Michael did thus as the Lord told him. He anointed me, and dressed me, and the appearance of that ointment is more than the great light, and his ointment is like sweet dew, and its smell mild, shining like the suns rays, and I looked at myself, and was like one of his glorious ones.

365, is the number of days in a calendar year. The Lamb of God who takes on the sins of the world is to be a one year old unblemished Lamb. Enoch the anointed one, chose the man Jesus as his son and successor and filled the body of the man Jesus (Whom God had prepared for him) with his spirit, in order to reveal himself and the awesome sacrifice he makes for we, his children, is the unblemished Lamb of God.

Hebrew 5: 7-10; “In his life on earth Jesus made his prayers and requests with loud cries and tears to God who could save him from death. Because he was humble and devoted, God heard him. But even though he was 'A' son of God, (Not God’s Son, or THE son of God, but A son of God, check it out in the Appendix of Strong’s Concordance, or The King James, Amplified, or The Revised Standard translations. all Israelites are sons of God according to God’s word, see Psalms 82: 6; ‘You are gods,’ I said; ‘all of you are sons of the Most High.’) he learned through suffering to be obedient, (to his inner parental spirit, who was all the righteous spirits who had paid the blood price for sin and were judged and separated from the unrighteous dead and had been united to the living and evolving spirit of Enoch within the bosom of Abraham.) when he was made perfect (through his obedience, and could then be used as the host body through which our heavenly saviour could then revealed himself, through the life, the miracles and the words that would be seen and heard through his obedient servant and earthy image, who did, nor spoke one word on his own authority other than that which he was commanded by the Lord our saviour.) The one who God had prepared for his heavenly anointed one, then became the source through whom salvation could be gained from our Lord God and saviour, who rose Jesus from death and will raise we, who are united to him also.

 

[jsanford108]

S-word,

You entire history is off. Beginning in Old Testament, all the way through today.

Two quick things that come to mind are Jude being a half-brother of Jesus (false: there is literally no evidence to even vaguely support this), and the Roman Catholic Church (many flaws in your history here, one being Constantine starting it, another being their rejection of early Christian writings when they are the only ones who keep them dear).


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[S-word]

S-word,

You entire history is off. Beginning in Old Testament, all the way through today.

Two quick things that come to mind are Jude being a half-brother of Jesus (false: there is literally no evidence to even vaguely support this), and the Roman Catholic Church (many flaws in your history here, one being Constantine starting it, another being their rejection of early Christian writings when they are the only ones who keep them dear).


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jsanford108 Wrote..........You entire history is off. Beginning in Old Testament, all the way through today.

S-word..........My only quote from the Old Testament in my previous post to you, was Genesis 5: 23; “Enoch was 365 and had spent his life in fellowship with God when he disappeared because God had Taken him,”and if you deny that Enoch was taken by God at the age of 365 and was translated in order that he should never see death, as revealed in the NT, then you deny the Word of God.

Jsanfore108..........Two quick things that come to mind are Jude being a half-brother of Jesus (false: there is literally no evidence to even vaguely support this),

S-word..........Matthew 13: 55; Isn’t he the carpenter’s son? And isn’t Mary his mother, and aren’t James, Joseph, Simon and Jude his brothers. And aren’t all his sisters living here?

KJV; Jude 1: 1; Jude the brother of James. The Amplified version, Jude 1: 1; Jude the brother of James. Living New Testament, Jude 1: 1; Jude the brother of James. RSV, Jude 1: 1; Jude the brother of James. GNB Catholic Study Edition, Jude 1: 1; Jude the brother of James. The Jerusalem Bible, Jude 1: 1; Jude the brother of James.

I think that there is enough evidence there to prove that Jude is the brother of James, who Paul states is the brother of Jesus, and it was James the brother of Jesus and half brother to Jude, who was the first to sit upon the Episcopal throne of the church of the Circumcision, Simon who is also a son of the carpenter, was the one who succeeded his brother James as the leader of the Jerusalem church of Jesus.

It is from the writings of Josephus the historian, Eusebius, and Hegessippus, we learn that in 62 AD, James was murdered at the instigation of one of that same Sadducee sect responsible for the death of his brother Jesus, and that he was subsequently succeeded by Simon, (who was another half brother to Jesus.)

Simeon a half-brother to Jesus, was succeeded by 13 other Bishops of the circumcision, among who, several others, like Simeon and James, appear to have been blood relatives of Jesus. In 132 AD, with the second Jewish revolt, the line was extinguished. Epiphanius of Salamis, in his Panarion, mentions Judah Kyriakos, the great grandson of Jude, as the last Jewish Bishop of Jerusalem that lived beyond Bar Kokhba’s revolt.

Hegesippus, mentions descendant of Jude living in the reign of Domitian, 81-96 AD.

In his book, “Historia Ecclesiae” Eusebius wrote; “But when the same Domitian had commanded the descendants of David should be slain, an ancient tradition says that some of the heretics brought accusations against the descendants of Jude (Said to have been a brother of the saviour according to the flesh) on the grounds that they were of the lineage of David and were related to Christ himself.

Hegesippus relates these facts in the following words; “Of the family of the Lord there were still living the grandchildren of Jude (The Twin) who is said to have been the Lord’s brother according to the flesh.

It was not uncommon in those days, for a Jewish Galilean to have three names, one in Hebrew, one in Greek and one in Aramaic

Jude=Hebrew, Thomas=Tau’ma, the Aramiac for twin, is also called Didymus, which is the Greek for twin, he is Thomas/twin, Didymus/twin, Jude, the half-brother of Jesus and the son of the carpenter. A local tradition of eastern Syria identifies the Apostle Jude with Jude Thomas who was called ‘The Twin’ also known as Thomas (Aramaic), Didymus (Greek), and Jude (Hebrew.)

Knowing that in ART, Thomas Didymus Jude, is depicted with a, carpenters rule and square: In "The Acts of Thomas, sometimes called by its full name, "The Acts of Judas Thomas," 2nd-3rd century CE, "The Apostles cast lots as to where they should go, and to Thomas, brother to Jesus fell India. Thomas was taken to King Goddophares the ruler of Indo-Pathian Kingdom as an architect and carpenter by Habban.”

I would like to go deeper into this subject for you, but I realise that you are as yet, not really interested in the truths as revealed in scripture, but more interested in defending the lies and rubbish, which are the spirit/words of the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, the next subject that you wish to discuss.

Jsanford108 wrote..........and the Roman Catholic Church (many flaws in your history here, one being Constantine starting it, another being their rejection of early Christian writings when they are the only ones who keep them dear).


But first I need a cup of tea and a sandwich, then, “I’ll be Baaack.”

BTW, you don't need to apologise yet for saying, "There is literally no evidence to even vaguely support the suggestion that Jude the brother of James is related to Jesus."

 

[daqq]

I will go get a wiki topo map and draw up a quick outlay, although I see you really do not care either way, but so that others might understand what I am trying to relate here; and I will edit and place it in this post below.

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Mahanaim is the southern tip of the cities of Yair or Havoth-Yair, (Joshua 13:29, 30).
And therefore it is Yhudah beyond Yarden, (because of 1 Chronicles 2:21, 22).

The word hippodrome appears twice in the following OG LXX passage of the Torah; and being that this is the Torah we can be quite sure this passage was rendered some two hundred years before Herod "the great" was even born. Therefore it does not speak of a literal horse racing track built by any of the Herodians, but rather, quite clearly speaks simply concerning the circle roundabout the circumjacent region found on the map, which is the hippodrome circle roundabout the Yabbok ford where Yaakob crossed the Yarden River.

Genes 48:7 OG LXX
48:7 εγω δε ηνικα ηρχομην εκ μεσοποταμιας της συριας απεθανεν ραχηλ η μητηρ σου εν γη χανααν εγγιζοντος μου κατα τον ιπποδρομον χαβραθα της γης του ελθειν εφραθα και κατωρυξα αυτην εν τη οδω του ιπποδρομου αυτη εστιν βαιθλεεμ
http://bibledatabase.net/html/septuagint/01_048.htm

Genesis 48:7 LXX-Septagint Brenton Translation
7 And as for me, when I came out of Mesopotamia of Syria, Rachel, thy mother, died in the land of Chanaan, as I drew night to the horse-course of Chabratha of the land of Chanaan, so as to come to Ephratha; and I buried her in the road of the course; this is Bethlehem.

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Mahanaim is the southern tip of the cities of Yair or Havoth-Yair, (Joshua 13:29, 30).
And therefore it is Yhudah beyond Yarden, (because of 1 Chronicles 2:21, 22).

And yet again from Judges 2:1 we find a curious mention of Bethel in the LXX-Septuagint, which does not appear in the Hebrew Masorete text, as follows:

Judges 2:1 LXX-Septagint Brenton Translation
1 And an angel of the Lord went up from Galgal to the place of weeping, and to Baethel, and to the house of Israel, and said to them, Thus says the Lord, I brought you up out of Egypt, and I brought you into the land which I sware to your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant that I have made with you.

Why does Bethel not appear in the Hebrew text?

Judges 2:1 KJV
1 And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you.

More importantly where is Gilgal or Galgal on the map in relationship to the Bethel of which this speaks? There are more than one place called Bethel, and the same is true for many cities of ancient Yisrael, including Beth-Lehem. Even more importantly what does Bochim mean? It is clear that this means weeping but is used as a name. The reference to Rachel weeping for her children is lost in the Hebrew text because Bethel has been removed from the text. Bochim is within the hippodrome-circle of the Yabbok crossing wherein is also Bethel.

Jeremiah 31:15-17 KJV
15 Thus saith the LORD; A voice was heard in Ramah, lamentation, and bitter weeping; Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children, because they were not.
16 Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be rewarded, saith the LORD; and they shall come again from the land of the enemy.
17 And there is hope in thine end, saith the LORD, that thy children shall come again to their own border.

The above passage is a cryptic reference to Bochim, the place of weeping, not only where Rachel must have died but likewise the statement of Jeremiah, Rachel weeping for her children, which is quoted in Matthew 2:18. The thread derailer who apparently does not believe I should be allowed to have a voice is therefore blind as a bat; and cannot even be sure of his own understanding of Josephus when Josephus uses the word hippodrome. :chuckle:

 

[S-word]

Continued from post #56.

Jsanford108 wrote..........and the Roman Catholic Church (many flaws in your history here, one being Constantine starting it, another being their rejection of early Christian writings when they are the only ones who keep them dear).

If you don't believe that the books of Enoch were banned by early dogmatic Christian authorities, then just Google it up mate and you will find that the Book of Enoch, was removed and Banned from the Bible in 381 AD after some church fathers did not approve of the actions of the fallen angels having sex...

Fancy the Roman church authorities being offended by the fallen angels having sex. At least they had sex with grown women, and not little children of both genders.

S-word..........First of all, you must understand how the universal church of 325 AD, was founded and from what it was founded and upon what foundation it was built: because you are not referring here to the teachings of the Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ, but rather, to the false teachings of the universal church of Constantine.

Not only did the apostles not teach the Jesus of the universal church, neither did they teach the false doctrine of the non-biblical immaculate conception of Mary or of the supposedly virgin birth of Jesus.

We know that the universal church of King Constantine was formed from a rag-tag group of quarrelling and insult hurling religious bodies that called themselves Christians. King Constantine, finally sick to the stomach with their constant bickering, called together all the heads of those quarrelling bodies to the first ever "World Council of Churches" where, under the dominating presence of the non-christian and almost certainly theologically illiterate King Constantine, the universal church was established in 325 AD, some 300 years after the Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ had been established in Jerusalem.

In the days of the Apostle Paul who in 1st Timothy 1: 1; says: "From Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by order of "GOD OUR SAVIOUR" and Christ Jesus "OUR HOPE."" The people were already beginning to fall away from the truth, and following another gospel that was not taught by the word of God or the apostles.

In his 2nd letter to the Corinthians 11: 4; Paul says, "You gladly tolerate anyone who comes to you and preaches a different Jesus, not the one we preached; and you accept a spirit (The Lie) and a gospel completely different from the spirit (Of Truth) and the gospel you received from us."

So, What was that other gospel, Way back in the days of Paul, that was leading the people away from the truth and away from the Jesus as preached by the Apostles, to another false Jesus?

That gospel was the word of the anti-christ that refused to acknowledge that Jesus had come as a human being, and instead, they believed that he was a spirit, who, like some Hologram, would appear and disappear at will.

Even in the days of John, the false teaching that Jesus was not of the seed of Adam from which every human being who has, or ever will walk this earth, has descended, and those who believed this falsehood that Jesus had not come as a human being, but as a spiritual being, was already beginning to be spread throughout the world, and concerning that evolving falsehood, John had this to say.

From the catholic Study Edition of the bible: 1st letter of John 4:1-3; "My dear friends, do not believe all who claim to have the spirit/teaching, (My words are spirit said the Lord through his servant Jesus) but test them to find out if the spirit/teaching they have comes from God. For many false prophets have gone out everywhere. This is how you will be able to know if it is Gods spirit/word: anyone who acknowledges that Jesus came as a human being has the spirit/teaching, who comes from God. But anyone who denies this about Jesus does not have the spirit from God. The spirit that he has is from the enemy of the anointed one, the Anti-christ etc."

2nd letter of John verses 7-10;."Many deceivers have gone out all over the world, people who do not acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being. Such a person is a deceiver and an enemy of Christ."

If you would care to open your eyes, I"m sure that you will have little difficulty in finding the teaching of the anti-christ, which does not deny that Jesus had come, but which refused to acknowledge that Jesus was a true human being born of the seed of Adam, and descended through the genetic line of David, which lie has been spread throughout the entire WORLD.

Over the centuries the false teaching of the anti-christ continued to evolve. But as the followers of the anti-christ became more enlightened and harder to deceive. In Alexandria, by the second century, Docetism, the concept that Jesus had existed as a spirit rather than a human being, had all but theoretically been stamped out.

But still, there persisted the belief that their false Jesus, although seen as a sort of human being, did not have our normal bodily needs, such as eating, drinking and having to go to the toilet, and Clement the bishop of Alexandria, wrote: "It would be ridiculous to imagine that the redeemer, in order to exist, had the usual needs of man. He only took food and ate it in order that we should not teach about him in a Docetic fashion."

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Satan must have been some sort of an idiot believing that this false Jesus of theirs, who had no need of food such as we human beings do, was starving hungry after a mere 40 days without food, who then tried to tempt him into turning stones into bread.

Their Jesus was not the Jesus as taught by the apostles, but that other Jesus, taught by the Anti-Christ, who unlike we mere HUMAN BEINGS, did not need to eat, drink, or go to the toilet, as was taught by one of the great teachers that the members of the universal church, loved to use as one of their authorities when trying to defend one of their false doctrines.

Saint Clement of Alexandria, who was a saint in the Martyrology of the Roman universal church of Emperor Constantine, in support of the great lie, speaks of the time that some imaginary midwife, (Which is not supported by scripture) who was supposed to be at the birth of Jesus, told some woman by the name Salome, that the mother was still a virgin after the birth and that her hymen was still intact, (Which is not supported by scripture) and that this supposed Salome, stuck her finger into the mother's vagina to check, and her hand immediately withered up, but the baby Jesus reached out and touched her hand and healed it. (What a load of unadulterated Rubbish)

Down to the 17th century Clement was venerated as a saint. His name was to be found in the Martyrologies, and his feast fell on December 4. But when the Roman Martyrology was revised by Clement VIII (Pope from 1592 to 1605), his name was dropped from the calendar on the advice of his confessor, Cardinal Baronius. Pope Benedict XIV in 1748 maintained his predecessor's decision on the grounds that Clement's life was little-known; that he had never obtained public cultus in the Church; and that some of his doctrines were, if not erroneous, at least highly suspect.

Erroneous and highly suspect, you can say that again, but by then the great lie had become so entrenched in the minds of the gullible that their heads were so mixed up and set as hard as concrete, one would need a sledge hammer to shatter that conglomerat and allow the light of truth to shine in.

Clement, who lived between 150"211 AD was expressing a belief that was already firmly established by those who had abandoned the Jesus as taught by the apostles.

The Lord now has need of some good children of God, to root out the weeds that were planted by the Famous Prostitute and her harlot denominational daughters who have been brought up on her spiritual rubbish.

To be Continued.

 

[daqq]

Continued from post #56.

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To be Continued.

Please start a new thread for all of this if it is not complete and needs "to be continued". It really should not be in this thread if you are going to post that much without actually using much scripture to support what you say.

And continuing from my previous post above, as was already stated concerning the throat slitter and thread derailer S-word, Matthew does not use nepios or brephos in the nativity account but rather paidas, which is not a babe or an infant but a manchild-servant:

How can we expect a nepios or brefos to understand what is a pais-paida-servant?

Even the ASV does not understand:

Matthew 2:16-18 ASV
16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the Wise-men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the male children [παιδας] that were in Bethlehem, and in all the borders thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had exactly learned of the Wise-men.
17 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken through Jeremiah the prophet, saying,
18 A voice was heard in Ramah, Weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children; And she would not be comforted, because they are not.

Why does Matthew use pais, (in the form paidas), and not nepios or brephos which are normally used to describe infants and toddlers? Most of the time where "manservant" is found in the Septuagint this is the word which is found, (pais). It is even used in the NT in places that clearly do not speak of infants and toddlers but rather men-servants, even speaking of the Master as the Servant of the Father, (which are clearly references to the "suffering servant" of haNavi Yeshayahu), and even when he was at the age of when the Master was crucified, which was surely not the age of an infant or toddler, (Acts 3:13, 26, 4:27). Moreover Herod is never mentioned in secular history to have done anything like what the modern shepherds teach from their misunderstanding of the Matthew account. And the reason they do not understand it is because they care not to admit the Septuagint into the record, which contains a wealth of information including variant accounts of the passages that are clearly referenced in the Matthew account, and those from the Septuagint do not match what the Hebrew text purports, (mostly because of incorrect vowel pointing which was done by the Masoretes a thousand years after all these things were written).

Also related to the Matthew account is the fact that when Zechariah the son of Berechiah is slain, in Apokalypse Yaakob, they do not find a body. The account is no doubt intended as symbolic in meaning by the author; for it was the voice of Zechariah which was cut off as the Master explains in the Gospel accounts: Zechariah the son of Berechiah was slain "between the naos and the altar", ("naos"-temple-house implying the mind, "nous"). And that was because Herod and his accomplices deposed Zechariah, and chased him from his priestly office, and Herod replaced him with another "voice", (a different chief Kohen). That is what it means in the kingdom of Elohim when you deny someone a voice: it is not "winning in an argument" as some here seem to imagine, no, it is rather, in the kingdom of Elohim, no different from throat slitting, and murder, as the Master teaches in Matthew 15:19, (murders proceed from the heart, come forth out of the mouth, and defile the man), and which is reinforced in 1John 3:15, (whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: you do not actually have to physically kill with your hands to be considered a murderer in the kingdom of Elohim, for it concerns what comes forth from your heart and out of your mouth, but the carnal man cannot perceive this supernal and spiritual reality). These things concerning Zechariah are understood by the Torah and the Testimony of Messiah: for the heart is the "altar of adamah-soil", as revealed in the commandment given to bnei Yisrael in Exodus 20:24, and its companion statement Deut 5:29, and the supernal teachings found in the three accounts of the Parable of the Sower where the "soil of the heart" is expounded by the Master. So when it is said that they slew Zechariah the son of Berechiah "between naos and the altar", (Matthew 23:35), it means they metaphorically and symbolically "slit his throat", by cutting off his voice, because the throat and voice-box is between the heart and mind, and the heart is the altar of adamah-soil while the naos in this case is the mind, and that is why no body is found.

Bnei Zadok 7
[01] And Herod was in a rage of madness, and he commanded that all the principal manservants of the entire nation, from two years in the forces and under, wheresoever they lived, should be summoned unto him.
[02] And they were a great number that came from all twelve tribes, for those of the whole nation were called, and all heard of this call:
[03] And death was the penalty of such as should despise the epistles that were sent out.
[04] And now the king was in a mad rage against them all; the innocent as well as those that had afforded even the slightest grounds for accusation:
[05] And when they were come, he ordered them all to be shut up and hedged in at the hippodrome, and sent for his sister and her husband, and he spoke thus to them:
[06] I shall die in a short time, my pains are so great, which death ought to be cheerfully borne and welcomed by all men:
[07] But what principally troubles me is this; that I shall die without being lamented, and without such mourning as men would usually expect with the death of a king.
[08] He desired therefore, that as soon as they see he had given up the breath, they should have soldiers roundabout the hippodrome while they do not yet know that he is dead:
[09] And that they should not declare his death until this be done; but that they should give orders to have those that are in the hippodrome shot through with their arrows.
[10] And that this slaughter of all the principle manchild servants of the whole nation of Yisrael would cause that he shall not miss to rejoice on two accounts:
[11] That as he is dying they will secure him that his will be executed in what he charges them to do; and that he shall have the honor of a memorable lamentation at his funeral.
[12] So he deplored his condition, with dragon tears in his eyes, and entreated them by the kindness due from them, as being his kindred, and by the faith they owed to him:
[13] And he begged of them that they would not hinder him of this great lamentation of the whole nation at his funeral: and they promised not to transgress his command.
[14] But when Herod was dead, Salome released the manchild servant Yisrael, and they returned to their brethren, as it is written in haNaviim Miykah and Yirmeyahω.
[15] Moreover Herod in search of Yohanan sent officers also unto Zekaryah, saying, Where have you hidden your son?
[16] But he answered, saying to them, I am a minister under Elohim and continually attending in His Temple: how shall I know where my son is?
[17] And the officers went away and reported all these things to Herod.
[18] And being enraged, Herod said, His son is about to become king over Yisrael!
[19] And he sent his officers to him again, saying, Tell me the truth: where is your son? For you know that your blood is under the power of my hand!
[20] And the officers departed and announced to him these things:
[21] And Zekaryah said, I am a witness of Elohim if you shed my blood:
[22] For the Absolute Master will receive my spirit; for you would shed innocent blood at the vestibule of the Temple of ΙΑΩΑ.
[23] And Zekaryah was slain at daybreak: his voice was cut off, and he was silenced between the naos and the altar of adamah.
[24] And the sons of Yisrael knew not that he was slain:
[25] And at the hour of the salutation the Kohanim went forth, but he came not forth to meet them according to the custom of the BrekYah blessing of ZkarYah.
[26] So the Kohanim stood waiting for Zekaryah, to salute him at the prayer, and to glorify the Most High Elohim: but with much delay they all began to fear.
[27] Moreover a certain one of them gathered courage, entering into the sanctuary, and he saw congealed blood beside the incense altar of ΙΑΩΑ.
[28] And he heard a voice, saying, Zekaryah has been slain, and his blood shall not be wiped away until the Avenger is come.
[29] And hearing this saying, he was terrified, and he went out and announced to the Kohanim all things whatsoever he had seen and heard.
[30] And taking courage they went in, and saw what had happened: and the ceilings of the Temple were howling, and they rent their clothes from the top even to the bottom.
[31] And they found not his corpse: but they found his blood having been turned to stone.
[32] And they were terrified, and went out, and reported to all the people that Zekaryah had been slain.
[33] And all the tribes of the people heard, and lamented, and they mourned for him three days and three nights.
[34] Moreover, with those three days, the Kohanim deliberated who should be appointed to stand in the place of Zekaryah:
[35] And the lot fell to Shimeon; for he it was to whom it had been revealed by the Holy Spirit that he should not see death until he should see the Meshiah of ΙΑΩΑ.
[36] Moreover myself, Yaakob who wrote this account in Yerushalem, with an uproar having arisen at the death of Herod:
[37] I concealed myself, and secreted away into the desert until the uproar in Yerushalem had ended, glorifying ΙΑΩΑ ΗΛΩΙΜ who has bestowed His Wisdom that I might write this account.
[38] Grace be with all those fearing the Absolute Master ΙΑΩΑ. Amen.
Bnei Zadok - Apokalypse Yaakob

 

[Zeke]

Continued from post #56.

Jsanford108 wrote..........and the Roman Catholic Church (many flaws in your history here, one being Constantine starting it, another being their rejection of early Christian writings when they are the only ones who keep them dear).

If you don't believe that the books of Enoch were banned by early dogmatic Christian authorities, then just Google it up mate and you will find that the Book of Enoch, was removed and Banned from the Bible in 381 AD after some church fathers did not approve of the actions of the fallen angels having sex...

Fancy the Roman church authorities being offended by the fallen angels having sex. At least they had sex with grown women, and not little children of both genders.

S-word..........First of all, you must understand how the universal church of 325 AD, was founded and from what it was founded and upon what foundation it was built: because you are not referring here to the teachings of the Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ, but rather, to the false teachings of the universal church of Constantine.

Not only did the apostles not teach the Jesus of the universal church, neither did they teach the false doctrine of the non-biblical immaculate conception of Mary or of the supposedly virgin birth of Jesus.

We know that the universal church of King Constantine was formed from a rag-tag group of quarrelling and insult hurling religious bodies that called themselves Christians. King Constantine, finally sick to the stomach with their constant bickering, called together all the heads of those quarrelling bodies to the first ever "World Council of Churches" where, under the dominating presence of the non-christian and almost certainly theologically illiterate King Constantine, the universal church was established in 325 AD, some 300 years after the Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ had been established in Jerusalem.

In the days of the Apostle Paul who in 1st Timothy 1: 1; says: "From Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by order of "GOD OUR SAVIOUR" and Christ Jesus "OUR HOPE."" The people were already beginning to fall away from the truth, and following another gospel that was not taught by the word of God or the apostles.

In his 2nd letter to the Corinthians 11: 4; Paul says, "You gladly tolerate anyone who comes to you and preaches a different Jesus, not the one we preached; and you accept a spirit (The Lie) and a gospel completely different from the spirit (Of Truth) and the gospel you received from us."

So, What was that other gospel, Way back in the days of Paul, that was leading the people away from the truth and away from the Jesus as preached by the Apostles, to another false Jesus?

That gospel was the word of the anti-christ that refused to acknowledge that Jesus had come as a human being, and instead, they believed that he was a spirit, who, like some Hologram, would appear and disappear at will.

Even in the days of John, the false teaching that Jesus was not of the seed of Adam from which every human being who has, or ever will walk this earth, has descended, and those who believed this falsehood that Jesus had not come as a human being, but as a spiritual being, was already beginning to be spread throughout the world, and concerning that evolving falsehood, John had this to say.

From the catholic Study Edition of the bible: 1st letter of John 4:1-3; "My dear friends, do not believe all who claim to have the spirit/teaching, (My words are spirit said the Lord through his servant Jesus) but test them to find out if the spirit/teaching they have comes from God. For many false prophets have gone out everywhere. This is how you will be able to know if it is Gods spirit/word: anyone who acknowledges that Jesus came as a human being has the spirit/teaching, who comes from God. But anyone who denies this about Jesus does not have the spirit from God. The spirit that he has is from the enemy of the anointed one, the Anti-christ etc."

2nd letter of John verses 7-10;."Many deceivers have gone out all over the world, people who do not acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being. Such a person is a deceiver and an enemy of Christ."

If you would care to open your eyes, I"m sure that you will have little difficulty in finding the teaching of the anti-christ, which does not deny that Jesus had come, but which refused to acknowledge that Jesus was a true human being born of the seed of Adam, and descended through the genetic line of David, which lie has been spread throughout the entire WORLD.

Over the centuries the false teaching of the anti-christ continued to evolve. But as the followers of the anti-christ became more enlightened and harder to deceive. In Alexandria, by the second century, Docetism, the concept that Jesus had existed as a spirit rather than a human being, had all but theoretically been stamped out.

But still, there persisted the belief that their false Jesus, although seen as a sort of human being, did not have our normal bodily needs, such as eating, drinking and having to go to the toilet, and Clement the bishop of Alexandria, wrote: "It would be ridiculous to imagine that the redeemer, in order to exist, had the usual needs of man. He only took food and ate it in order that we should not teach about him in a Docetic fashion."

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Satan must have been some sort of an idiot believing that this false Jesus of theirs, who had no need of food such as we human beings do, was starving hungry after a mere 40 days without food, who then tried to tempt him into turning stones into bread.

Their Jesus was not the Jesus as taught by the apostles, but that other Jesus, taught by the Anti-Christ, who unlike we mere HUMAN BEINGS, did not need to eat, drink, or go to the toilet, as was taught by one of the great teachers that the members of the universal church, loved to use as one of their authorities when trying to defend one of their false doctrines.

Saint Clement of Alexandria, who was a saint in the Martyrology of the Roman universal church of Emperor Constantine, in support of the great lie, speaks of the time that some imaginary midwife, (Which is not supported by scripture) who was supposed to be at the birth of Jesus, told some woman by the name Salome, that the mother was still a virgin after the birth and that her hymen was still intact, (Which is not supported by scripture) and that this supposed Salome, stuck her finger into the mother's vagina to check, and her hand immediately withered up, but the baby Jesus reached out and touched her hand and healed it. (What a load of unadulterated Rubbish)

Down to the 17th century Clement was venerated as a saint. His name was to be found in the Martyrologies, and his feast fell on December 4. But when the Roman Martyrology was revised by Clement VIII (Pope from 1592 to 1605), his name was dropped from the calendar on the advice of his confessor, Cardinal Baronius. Pope Benedict XIV in 1748 maintained his predecessor's decision on the grounds that Clement's life was little-known; that he had never obtained public cultus in the Church; and that some of his doctrines were, if not erroneous, at least highly suspect.

Erroneous and highly suspect, you can say that again, but by then the great lie had become so entrenched in the minds of the gullible that their heads were so mixed up and set as hard as concrete, one would need a sledge hammer to shatter that conglomerat and allow the light of truth to shine in.

Clement, who lived between 150"211 AD was expressing a belief that was already firmly established by those who had abandoned the Jesus as taught by the apostles.

The Lord now has need of some good children of God, to root out the weeds that were planted by the Famous Prostitute and her harlot denominational daughters who have been brought up on her spiritual rubbish.

To be Continued.

All traditional assumptions, seeing everyone born of flesh has that dead seed John 12:24 lying dormant in them until its season to germinate in the heart, no flesh and blood man died for you to be saved you have to go through that experience within Luke 17:20-21.