It speaks of Bethel which was formerly Luz. One does not get there walking sideways or across the land on a map. Think rather along the lines of the dream: angels ascending and descending, the ladder, what Messiah says to Nathanael in the context I quoted. It is not sideways on a map but upwards, Yerushalem above.
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It speaks of Bethel which was formerly Luz. One does not get there walking sideways or across the land on a map. Think rather along the lines of the dream: angels ascending and descending, the ladder, what Messiah says to Nathanael in the context I quoted. It is not sideways on a map but upwards, Yerushalem above.
Perhaps you might eventually begin to talk sense. Cleophas and his son Simon, were not walking sideways, were not ascending or descending ladders, had nothing to do with Nathanael, but were walking to Emmaus some 11 kilometres from Jerusalem, when one of the risen body of CHRIST, walked with them, and was not recognised, until Simon saw the manner by which he broke the bread.
I will go get a wiki topo map and draw up a quick outlay, although I see you really do not care either way, but so that others might understand what I am trying to relate here; and I will edit and place it in this post below.
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Mahanaim is the southern tip of the cities of Yair or Havoth-Yair, (Joshua 13:29, 30).
And therefore it is Yhudah beyond Yarden, (because of 1 Chronicles 2:21, 22).
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There is an issue with this theory. And that is simply that it is not supported in Scripture in any capacity.
Careful, scholastic, and academic reading of the Bible will never reveal this theory that you have proposed.
1Mind1Spirit
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Yes, it seems S-word is actually into what most people mistake Keypurr of being.
1Mind1Spirit
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I will go get a wiki topo map and draw up a quick outlay, although I see you really do not care either way, but so that others might understand what I am trying to relate here; and I will edit and place it in this post below.
Good.
Cause you lost me along the way somewhere.
“Do I believe that our God, ‘THE SON OF MAN,’ the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, came in the flesh, and the answer is ‘YES.’ He descended upon the man Jesus as he came up out of the baptismal waters of the Jordan, and filled him with his spirit, as the heavenly voice was heard to say; “You are my son, (My chosen successor) ‘THIS DAY’ I have begotten thee.”
Deuteronomy 18: 18; YHVH, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, says to Moses; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will tell him what to say, and he will tell the people everything I command. He will speak in my name etc.
Who is the prophet that the God/JHWH is referring to here?
Peter confirms that Jesus was that man, when in reference to Jesus he says in. Acts 3: 22; For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc."
Do you believe the words of Peter?
KJV, Acts 3:19-20; "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Catholic Study Edition , GNB: Repent then and turn to God (Not Jesus) so that he will forgive your sins. If you do, times of spiritual strength will come from the Lord, and He will send Jesus, who is the Messiah that he has already CHOSEN for you. The man Jesus, was chosen and made both Lord and saviour by "WHO I AM/JHWH".
Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD" Verifying that they believed Jesus to be the one that God had promised that he would choose from among the Israelites, and send to the people to speak in his name.
Jesus who admits that he spoke not one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to say by our Lord God and saviour, says in John 5: 24; "Whoever hear my words (The words that he was commanded to say) and believes in "HIM" who sent me, has eternal life.
You must believe in "HIM" who sent Jesus to inherit eternal life.
John 14: 24; "And the word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who sent me.
Whose words were these in reference to the body of Jesus, which had been filled by the spirit of the Lord that had descended upon him in the form of a dove?
"Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up?"
If those were the words of the man Jesus, we would expect to see that Jesus raised himself from death, but if they were the words of the Lord who filled the man Jesus with his spirit and chose him to speak in his name, then they would have been the words that the Lord commanded his obedient servant Jesus to speak, and we would expect to see that it was the Lord who raised the man Jesus to life, as seen in...............
Acts 17: 31; For He (The Lord) has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.
Acts 5: 30; The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you slew and hanged on a tree.
Acts 13: 30; But God raised him from the dead: and he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee, etc.
1st Corinthians 6: 14; And God has both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
2nd Corinthians 1: 9; But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead.
2nd Corinthians 4: 14; knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence.
Acts 3: 13; The GNB, Catholic Study Edition; "The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our ancestors has given divine glory to his servant Jesus."
Careful, scholastic, and academic reading of the Bible will reveal this theory that the man Jesus, was the body that God had prepared for his Son who was equal to himself in everyway, to be correct. See Hebrew 10: 5.
1Mind1Spirit
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Why did you ignore my response to this here:
There is no "successor" to the Father. Again, it appears that you imagine a "successor" to the Father when you insert that into the decree from Psalm 2:7, the only real difference between your proposition and that of the Oneness-Modalists being that you disagree on who that "successor" is supposed to be: for they say, "Jesus is YHWH", while you appear to have said elsewhere that you believe the "successor" is Enoch. There is no successor to the Father because, as John 1:18 plainly states, the only begotten Son, (or only begotten Elohim, whichever version you prefer), is ever-always in the bosom of the Father, (ο ων εις τον κολπον του πατρο). The only begotten Elohim-Son is never going to "outgrow", "succeed", or become greater than the Father because he is ever-always-existing in the bosom of the Father; and therefore Messiah says that the Father is greater than himself. But as for the scripture content which you posted in that other thread, (Hebrews 10:5-7), you might want to look at The Logos-Word #80. The passage speaks of a Torah scroll, the Word, coming into the world: for as Paul says, all flesh is not the same flesh.
We should not allow our theology to ignore context:
Psalm 40:6-12 KJV
6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.
9 I have preached righteousness in the great congregation: lo, I have not refrained my lips, O LORD, thou knowest.
10 I have not hid thy righteousness within my heart; I have declared thy faithfulness and thy salvation: I have not concealed thy lovingkindness and thy truth from the great congregation.
11 Withhold not thou thy tender mercies from me, O LORD: let thy lovingkindness and thy truth continually preserve me.
12 For innumerable evils have compassed me about: mine iniquities have taken hold upon me, so that I am not able to look up; they are more than the hairs of mine head: therefore my heart faileth me.
The above refutes the false atonement theories of the mainstream: it is not about the body of a man.
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
Seems the Lord had iniquities yet did not sin. :think:
Yes, but not if you view the Psalm as an anthropomorphism of the Torah scroll, (which king David even says is a "new song", Psalm 40:3). The Torah scroll proclaims the Word in the great congregation as stated several times in what I quoted. This is because the reader, who is also called the Cryer, and Messenger, becomes the mouthpiece of the Word of the Father as he reads and calls out the text in the great congregation, or synagogue, or public square, or wherever the Word of the Father is read. The Word inters into the Cryer through the eyes, and fills the heart, cavity, and mind, and comes forth from the lungs, through his mouth, by his lips, as he calls out the Word to the great congregation. The Word therefore proclaims the Torah in the great congregation, (and thus the several statements to this effect in the passage). But what happens to the Torah scroll with the passage of time and with much usage? The scroll begins to wear, and with each furling and unfurling it begins to get imperfections, and scratches, and small ruptures and tears, and then the tears eventually become rips, and eventually with usage the scroll becomes so tattered and worn that it cannot be looked upon anymore, (which is more properly how that portion of Psalm 40:12 may be read and understood). This can be seen from the word found in the text of v.12 which is generally rendered as "iniquities", as in the KJV which I quoted; for it also means contortions, imperfections, and so on. This is therefore likened to a "song of the scroll", that is, the Word himself, speaking in an anthropomorphism, (for king David had the Word living in his heart).
The personification of the Memra or "the Word" originally comes from the Targums, (see Jewish Encyclopedia, Memra, for a primer), and the personification of the Logos is no doubt an expansion of that understanding. I do believe it all derives from Psalm 40, which is a "new song" about an old scroll which is about to be retired, (its "iniquities" are not iniquities but tatters, rips, and tears; in other words, as one of the meanings in the definition states, "contortions", and that is why the author of the epistle to the Hebrews sees no problem in applying the passage to Messiah). Think about this as you read and study the entire Psalm in your quiet time.
This is a Torah Scroll, the Word, coming into the world:
Psalm 40:7-8
6 Sacrifice and offering you did not desire; mine earlets you have punctured-pierced: burnt offering and sin offering you have not requested.
7 Then said I, Behold, I come: in the mgillat-header of the Sefer it is written concerning me.
8 I delight to do your will, O my Elohim: your Torah is within my inward parts.
Hebrews 10:5-7
5 Wherefore when he enters into the world, he says, Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body have you prepare for me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin you had no pleasure:
7 Then said I, Behold, I am come, in the κεφαλιδι-header of the Sefer it is written concerning me: I delight to do your will, O Elohim.
In the mgillat-kephalidi-header of the Sefer it is written concerning me . . .
That is, the crown-header of the Sefer, in the right hand side, Breshiyt-Genesis 1:1-5.
Notice he pierces or punctures "earlets" into the ends of the scroll with an awl, (or aul). However the entire roll is comprised of many souls having been "knit together" as one, (and we know, as in the case with Paul, μεμβρανας, which are are lambskin parchments, 2Tim 4:13, were used). Thus the Hebrew, (Psalm 40:6), and the Greek, (Psalm 40:6 OG LXX [39:7] has ωτια, "earlets", while Hebrews 10:5 has σωμα-body), are both correct because the "body", (σωμα), of Heb 10:5 is a metonymy for the entire "volume" of the "body" of the scroll, (κεφαλιδι-κεφαλις is rendered "volume" in the KJV but is also used in the LXX for chapiters, crowns, headers, and may even refer to a "head chapter" or header in a writing). That is precisely what this is; the header or head-section of the scroll, like a crown or the chapiter of the Sefer, (Genesis 1:1-5). Thus the lower σταυρος-stave borne by Shimon Kurenaio is of the erets-land-earth, (Genesis 1:1), while the top σταυρος-stave borne by Messiah reaches to the shamayim-heavens, (Genesis 1:1).
And what do we find at the right hand side in the κεφαλιδι header of the Scroll?
Genesis 1:1-5
1 In the beginning Elohim cut-down-created the heavens and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and Ruach Elohim brooded upon the face of the waters.
3 And Elohim said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And Elohim saw the light, that it was good: and Elohim divided the light from the darkness.
5 And Elohim called the light, Yom, and the darkness He called Night. And there is evening, and there is morning: Yom Echad.
In the mgillat-kephalidi header of the Sefer it is written concerning me:
Ruach Elohim - the Memra - the Logos - the Word - the Yonah
1 John 1:1-2
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have beheld, and which our hands have handled, concerns the Word of life.
2 And the life was made manifest, and we have seen, and bear witness, and we announce unto you the life αιωνιον which was with the Father, and was made manifest unto us.
Who was from the beginning: Who we have heard: Who we have seen with our eyes: Who we have looked upon, and which our hands have handled, the Word of Life in the lambskin Sefer, whose earlets were pierced coming into the world, being affixed to the Atzei Chayim: Who we declare unto you.
[01] In the beginning was the Memra, and the Memra was with the Elohim, and the Memra was Elohim: the same was in the beginning with the Elohim.
[02] All things through him came into being; and outside of him came nothing into being which has come into being.
[03] In him was life, and the life was the light of men: and the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness admits it not.
[04] There was a man sent from Elohim, of name Yohanan: the same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men by way of him might be fully convinced.
[05] He was not the Light but was sent to bear witness of the Light: the Light was the truth which lights every man that comes into the world.
[06] The same was in the world, and the world came to be through him, and the world knew him not: he came unto his own and his own received him not.
[07] But as many as receive him, to them he gives authority to become offspring of Elohim: those faithfully trusting into his name, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but from Elohim having been produced.
[08] And the Memra became flesh, and has tabernacled among us, but all flesh is not the same flesh: there is one kind of flesh of men, another of beasts, even μεμβρανας which are the lambskins of the Word, and another of fish, and another of birds, and therefore likewise doves.
[09] There are bodies heavenly, and bodies earthly; but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another: if there is a physical body, there is an ethereal body.
[10] And we have perceived his glory, glory as of an only begotten of a Father, replete with graciousness and truth.
[11] Yohanan testifies of him, and he has cried out, saying, This is of whom it was that I said, The one coming behind me, in front of me has become, because before me he was: for of his fullness we have all received, even graciousness in exchange for graciousness.
[12] Because the Torah through Mosheh was given: the grace and the truth has come to be through Meshiah Ι̅H.
[13] No one has seen Elohim at any time; the only begotten Elohim-Son who is in the Bay of the Father, that one has expounded Him.
[14] And this is the testimonial witness of Yohanan, when the Yhudim from Yerushalem sent Kohanim and Leviim asking him, Who are you?
[15] And he confessed and did not deny, and confessed, I am not the Meshiah.
[16] And they asked him, What then? Are you Elyahω? and he said, I am not. Are you the Prophet? and he answered, No.
[17] They said therefore to him, Who are you? so that we may give an answer to them that sent us: what say you of yourself?
[18] He said, I am Kol Kore bamidbar, Voice of a Cryer in the desert, Make yourselves straight the Way of ΙΑΩΑ, as haNavi Yeshayahω says.
[19] Also there were Perushim sent; they also questioned him, and said to him, Why then do you immerse if you are not the Meshiah, neither Elyahω, neither the Prophet?
[20] Answering them Yohanan said, I immerse with water, but in your midst stands one whom you know not: behind me is coming whom I am not worthy to loosen the strap of his sandal.
[21] These things came to pass in Beth-Ania, beyond Yarden, where Yohanan was immersing.
[22] The next day Yohanan beheld the Ι̅H coming down to him, and behold, a voice from the heavens, This is My Son, the Beloved, with whom I make approval, then Yohanan said, Behold, the Amnos of Elohim, who sails away the sins of the world! (then the Ι̅H left him).
[23] Then said Yohanan, This is of whom I said, Behind me comes a Gaber who in front of me has become, for before me he was:
[24] And I knew him not! but that he should be made manifest to Yisrael, for this cause I came immersing with water.
[25] And Yohanan testified, saying, For I perceive the Spirit descending like a dove out of heaven and abiding remaining upon them:
[26] And I knew him not! but He that sent me to immerse in water said to me, Upon whoever you see the Spirit descending and abiding-remaining upon him, the same he is immersing with Spirit Holy.
[27] I also have envisioned and have testified how that is the Son of Elohim.
[28] Who has ascended and descended the heavens? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His Name? What is the name of His Son if you can tell?
[29] The whole Memra of Eloahh is refined, He is a magen to them that put their trust in Him, and no one has ascended into the heavens if not the one who from the heavens has descended:
[30] The Son of Man who descended in corporeal ethereal bodily form as a Yonah-Dove.
[31] Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding, I have strength.
[32] By me kings reign and princes decree justice: by me princes and nobles rule, even all the judges of the earth:
[33] I love them that love me, and those that seek me early shall find me; riches and honor are with me, yea, durable riches and righteousness.
[34] My fruit is better than gold, yea, better than the finest gold: and my revenue is better than choice silver.
[35] I lead in the Way of Righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment, that I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.
[36] ΙΑΩΑ possessed me in the beginning of His Way, before His works of old: I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
[37] When there were no depths I was brought forth: when there were no fountains abounding with water, before the mountains were settled, and before the hills, I was brought forth.
[38] While as yet He had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world: when He prepared the heavens, I was there.
[39] When He set a compass upon the face of the depth, when He established the clouds above, when He strengthened the fountains of the deep, when He gave to the sea His decree that the waters should not pass His commandment, when He appointed the foundations of the earth:
[40] Even then was I beside Him, as if one having been brought up with Him, and I was daily His delight rejoicing always before Him, rejoicing in the habitable portion of His Land: and my delights were with the sons of men.
[41] The next day again stood Yohanan, and there were two out of his talmidim: and watching the Ι̅H traversing the midst, he said, Behold, the Amnos-Lamb of Elohim!
And the Word became lambskin, and has tabernacled among us: Who we have heard: Who we have seen with our eyes: Who we have looked upon, and which our hands have handled, the Word of Life in the lambskin Sefer, whose earlets were pierced coming into the world, being affixed to the Atzei Chayim.
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Yes, tabernacled among us, in the midst of the great congregation.
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Yes, tabernacled among us, in the midst of the great congregation.
But this is not simply all physical in meaning, eh 1-M-1-S? It is rather like so: the Father placed His holy Spirit upon Moshe; and Ruach Elohim descended from the heavens and abode-remained upon Moshe the man of Elohim. And Moshe began to write; and what came forth is the Son of Man, for it is written of man, and borne through man, but of an Elohim seed.
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
But this is not simply all physical in meaning, eh 1-M-1-S? It is rather like so: the Father placed His holy Spirit upon Moshe; and Ruach Elohim descended from the heavens and abode-remained upon Moshe the man of Elohim. And Moshe began to write; and what came forth is the Son of Man, for it is written of man, and borne through man, but of an Elohim seed.
Even Adam prophesied.
1st Peter 1: 19-21;*but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20*He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. 21*Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.
He was chosen before the creation of the world, but which world? The previous world that was destroyed by water, or this world which is destined to be destroyed by fire?
2nd Peter 3: 5-7; But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.
He was chosen before this world which is destined to be destroyed by fire, was created.
The oldest known Jewish work not included in the canon of Constantines universal church, is the Book of Enoch. This is a complex work, the known COPIES of which were written in the third (or perhaps even the late fourth) century BCE, after the return from the Babylonian Exile and the establishment of the Second Jewish Commonwealth (6th-5th centuries BCE) and before the Maccabean revolt in 172 BCE.
The oldest COPIES of the Book of Enoch, dating from the third century BCE, were discovered among the Dead Sea Scrolls
Among the Dead Sea Scrolls were a number of manuscripts of the Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha, including ten manuscripts of the Book of Enoch in the original Aramaic (until then copies were extant only in an Ethiopic translation of a Greek translation of a Semitic original), which were vital to answering many questions about its origins. Dating of the manuscripts by their script shows that certain parts of Enoch are at least as old as the third century BCE.
I believe, and will later reveal, that there is ample evidence to support the belief that the original Books of Enoch, the latest copies of which were discovered among the Dead Sea scrolls, date back much earlier than the 5th century, and that the originals were taken from Egypt, the land of first born, by Moses.
Genesis 5: 23; Enoch was 365 and had spent his life in fellowship with God when he disappeared because God had Taken him.
Hebrews 11: 5; "By faith Enoch was Translated (To change from one form to another) so that he should not experience death; and he was not found, because God had Translated him.
Enoch, the most important man in the OT and the NT, and yet he has been rejected by both the Jewish church and the Roman church of Emperor Constantine.
"The Book of the Secrets of Enoch" 22: 8; "And I fell prone and bowed down to the Lord, and the Lord with his lips said to me: "Have courage, Enoch, do not fear, arise and stand before my face into eternity."
And the archistratiege Michael lifted me up, and led me before the Lord"s face.
And the Most High, (who held the ransom blood of righteous Abel) said to the glorious creatures that surrounded him, tempting them: "Let Enoch stand before my face into eternity," and the glorious creatures bowed down to the Lord, and said: "Let Enoch go [Or be released] according to Thy word." Enoch, was the first to be released.
Hebrew 12: 24; to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel. The blood of righteous Abel could save but one man.
The Great and glorious simulacrum which is the sacrifice that has been prepared for us, and of which Enoch was the chosen cornerstone, dies in the process of involution, to be the saviour of we in evolution, This he does by releasing all the righteous spirits that are He, from the least to the greatest, and Enoch was the first.
And the Lord said to Michael: "Go take Enoch from out his earthly garments, and anoint him with my sweet ointment, and put him into the garments of my glory." [Enoch, the one who was anointed as the successor to the Godhead: CHRIST=The anointed one]
And Michael did thus as the Lord told him. He anointed me, and dressed me, and the appearance of that ointment is more than the great light, and his ointment is like sweet dew, and its smell mild, shining like the sun"s rays, and I looked at myself, and was like one of his glorious ones.
365, is the number of days in a calendar year. The Lamb of God who takes on the sins of the world is to be a one year old unblemished Lamb. Enoch the anointed one, is the unblemished Lamb of God.
Sandalphon is an archangel in Jewish and Christian writings. Sandalphon figures prominently in the mystical literary traditions of Rabbinic Judaism and early Christianity, notably in the Midrash, Talmud, and Kabbalah.
Some of the earliest sources on Sandalphon refer to him as the prophet Elijah transfigured and elevated to angelic status. Other sources (mainly from the midrashic period) describe him as the "twin brother" of Metatron, whose human origin as Enoch was similar to the human origin of Sandalphon.
Sandalphron and Metatron are post human angels, Metatron is the name that was given to Enoch after he had been translated from a body of corruptible matter into a glorious body of incorruptible light, and Sandalphron, who is erroneously thought by some to be Metatron"s twin, is in fact Elijah"s angelic name after he was carried up to stand before Enoch and was also transfigured.
Metatron is also mentioned in the Pseudepigrapha, most prominently in the Hebrew Book of Enoch (also called Third Enoch), in which his grand title, "the lesser YHVH" resurfaces. It is also said that Metatron. The anointed one=CHRIST, was the angel who guided Israel through the wilderness.
The great flood, in which the body of Adam (Pre-flood mankind) was submerged in water and the new man Enoch (The post-flood body of mankind arose) was, according to 1st Peter 3: 21; a symbol of Baptism. Where the old physical man Adam, is submerged and the new spiritual man Enoch/Jesus arises.
Noah, his wife, their three sons and their wives are all direct genetic descendants of Enoch, the only man redeemed from the previous world as spoken of by 2nd Peter 3: 5; as they are all descendants of Enoch’s six sons, Methusulah, Rigam, Riman, Urchan, Cherminion, and Giadad.
To equate the man Enoch, with the glorious simulacrum at the ends of time, who dies in the process of involution for the salvation of we in the process of evolution, would be like equating mankind with the organic molecules in the primeval sludge pools of organic material of the junior earth from which mankind had evolved.
It was the glorious simulacrum at the ends of time, (Of which Enoch was the chosen cornerstone) who, from the ends of time, descended into the day of Abraham, who chose him as his God, and in Abraham, was the living evolving spirit of Enoch as he was at that point in his evolution.
Enoch, the cornerstone, and the stone that the builders of the Jewish and Roman churches have rejected, has turned out to be the most important stone of all.
It was to Abraham, that the MOST HIGH in the creation, [The lesser Jahweh] said, "In blessing I will bless you and in multiplying, I will multiply you." Our Saviour who offers up his immortal and glorious body of light for those who believe, multiplies by releasing the spirits on which he had evolved.
From that day forward, all the spirits of Good people who had fallen asleep in righteousness after paying the blood price for their inherited sin, were judged and separated from the unrighteous dead and gathered to the living evolving spirit of Enoch within the bosom of Abraham. Over they, the second death had no power.
Jesus was the compilation of all those righteous spirits over whom death had no more power.
Jesus was who Enoch had become at that point in time of his evolution to become the glorious simulacrum=blue-print of the new light beings that evolve from mankind, who will dwell on earth among mankind.
The Book of Jubilees 4: 30; And he (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day that ye eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason he 31 did not complete the years of this day; for he died during it.
After Enoch in his ascension to the ends of time, had been in the valley of man for three days (Three thousand years) he was revealed as the man Jesus in who were the spirits of the righteous over whom death had no more power.
Jesus, who was Enoch who had been in the inner spiritual dimension that co-exists within our three dimensional physical world for three days, where through his sufferings he was finally made perfect, was then reborn on earth as Jesus, only after the man Jesus had learned total obedience to his indwelling parental Spirit, and had become Enoch’s duplication on earth.
Hebrew 5: 7-10; “In his life on earth Jesus made his prayers and requests with loud cries and tears to God who could save him from death. Because he was humble and devoted, God heard him.
But even though he was A son of God, (Not God’s Son, or THE son of God, but A son of God, check it out in the Appendix of Strong’s Concordance, or The King James, Amplified, or The Revised Standard translations. all Israelites are sons of God according to God’s word, see Psalms 82: 6; ‘You are gods,’ I said; ‘all of you are sons of the Most High.’) he learned through suffering to be obedient, (to his inner parental spirit, who was all the righteous spirits who had been united to the living and evolving spirit of Enoch.) when he was made perfect (through his obedience, and could then be used as the host body through which our heavenly saviour could then revealed himself, through the life, the miracles and the words that would be seen and heard through his obedient servant and earthy image, who did, nor spoke one word on his own authority other than that which he was commanded by the Lord our saviour.) The one who God had prepared for his heavenly anointed one, then became the source through whom salvation could be gained from our Lord God and saviour, who rose Jesus from death and will raise we, who are united to him also.
Jesus says to his disciples in John 14: 30; “I cannot talk to you much longer, because (DEATH) the ruler of this world is coming. He has no power over me, but the world must know that I love the Father; that is why I do everything as he commands me.
You will notice that Jesus, in most instances, refers to ‘THE’ Father and not ‘MY’ Father. Although in John 20: 17; he does refer to him as ‘MY’ Father; "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to THE Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to HIM, who is my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
To be continued.
Please start a new thread for all of this if it is not complete and needs "to be continued". It really should not be in this thread if you are going to post that much without actually using much scripture to support what you say. I have no problem with 1Enoch but it seems to me, (only my opinion), that you are taking spirits, visions, and dreams, way to literally. When I do study 1Enoch I only understand it through the lenses of what most consider the commonly accepted canon, (and, yes I do agree, all of 1Enoch is within the boundaries of "scripture" if one understands the writings with a proper mindset).
Please start a new thread for all of this if it is not complete and needs "to be continued". It really should not be in this thread if you are going to post that much without actually using much scripture to support what you say. I have no problem with 1Enoch but it seems to me, (only my opinion), that you are taking spirits, visions, and dreams, way to literally. When I do study 1Enoch I only understand it through the lenses of what most consider the commonly accepted canon, (and, yes I do agree, all of 1Enoch is within the boundaries of "scripture" if one understands the writings with a proper mindset).
For instance Raguel is mentioned as one of the seven holy Angels who watch in 1Enoch. In the book of Tobit you will find that there is a man by the same name whose wife's name is Edna, that is the same name as the wife of Enoch in 1Enoch, and which is a variant for Eden, (Ed-nah, "Edenah"). Who therefore is Yithro, ("Jethro")? His name means "His Excellency", but elsewhere he is surely called Raguel. Why does Moshe call him "His Excellency"? Is it merely because he is Kohen of Midyan? Who therefore is the Kohen of Midyan, whose name is Raguel, whom Moshe calls "His Excellency", and who in the book of Tobit has a wife by the name of Edna-Eden? It is none other than Enoch, Kohen of Midyan after the order of the Melki-Tzedek Elohim Priesthood. Moshe therefore marries into the Melki-Tzedek Elohim Priesthood by way of marriage to one of the seven daughters of "His Excellency", Enoch-Raguel. What is the name of the daughter whom Moshe marries? Her name is Tsipporah, that is, a clean bird. Moshe therefore marries into the Melki-Tzedek Elohim Priesthood by way of marriage to one of seven "little birdies" which are the daughters of the doctrines of His Excellency, Enoch-Raguel, Kohen Gadol by the order of Melki-Tzedek, (which is a higher order than that of Ahron and why Ahron is never called haKohen haGadol in the Torah). And all of that I have from the Torah to back up what I say about Enoch. See what I mean? Smaller chunks, please, so we can discuss them a little here and a little there.