it looks like you are saying all covenants are a promise not to do another flood
I don't think so
the four horsemen
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it looks like you are saying all covenants are a promise not to do another flood
I don't think so
not so
they are very consistent with the byzantine empire being the thousand years
the white horse, a christian empire
is
replaced by the red horse, islamic empire
which
is ended by the black horse, communism
BigBoof1959
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That is not what I am saying at all. I am saying that the covenant signified by the bow which you claim is in the hand of the white horseman, is a covenant to not destroy all flesh with the waters of another flood. Read Genesis 9:11 & 15. If you want to broaden the scope of that covenant to include a so-called Christian Empire, then I guess scripture can be made to say pretty much whatever you want it to.
don't want to broaden the scope of the covenant given to noah
don't need to
the covenant given to constantine is a different one
and
it doesn't have anything to do with flooding
In my view, scriptures are generally very accurate when they discribe actual events witnessed by real, named, individuals. They immediately become suspect when the authors start telling what those events ment. That is, when interpatations are given.
Interpatations can be quite subtle. Example: Noah's flood, the witness is Noah or one of the other people on the Arc. That person says "the waters covered the whole earth", how does he know? In reality all he could have observed is that he was out of sight of land. I find nothing unbelievable in that. Ten or fifteen miles of open water will put you out of sight of land. When someone else interpates that to mean that even the highest mountains in the world were covered in water, montains that Noah had no knowledge of. I find that idea very suspect.
What then can be said of a prophetic dream? I absolutely believe the author when he discribes his dream. I am less sure when he tells me what his dream ment. I am much less sure when any third party tells me what a prophet's dream ment.
There is a caviat: Dreams are symbolic representations of problems the dreamer experiences in his own waking life. The symbols are chosen by his subconcious mind to be opaque to him. They sometimes are very clear, embarassingly so, to another person. I will illustrate this: A certain college student, learning my profession, I am a psychiatric professional, told me of her very troubling recurring dream. She had it every time she was facing exams. She dreamt she was struggling to swim against the current in a river of yellow water while having to dodge large brown lumps that were coming at her carried by the current. I'm sure the symbolism is painfully clear to everyone but it was not to her. (true story).
Interpatations can be quite subtle. Example: Noah's flood, the witness is Noah or one of the other people on the Arc. That person says "the waters covered the whole earth", how does he know? In reality all he could have observed is that he was out of sight of land. I find nothing unbelievable in that. Ten or fifteen miles of open water will put you out of sight of land. When someone else interpates that to mean that even the highest mountains in the world were covered in water, montains that Noah had no knowledge of. I find that idea very suspect.
What then can be said of a prophetic dream? I absolutely believe the author when he discribes his dream. I am less sure when he tells me what his dream ment. I am much less sure when any third party tells me what a prophet's dream ment.
There is a caviat: Dreams are symbolic representations of problems the dreamer experiences in his own waking life. The symbols are chosen by his subconcious mind to be opaque to him. They sometimes are very clear, embarassingly so, to another person. I will illustrate this: A certain college student, learning my profession, I am a psychiatric professional, told me of her very troubling recurring dream. She had it every time she was facing exams. She dreamt she was struggling to swim against the current in a river of yellow water while having to dodge large brown lumps that were coming at her carried by the current. I'm sure the symbolism is painfully clear to everyone but it was not to her. (true story).
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BigBoof1959
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The Lord never promised to make the world safe for Christians. He promised them persecution and tribulation in the world. Constantine made Christianity safe for the world, not the other way around.
did you read what eusebius wrote about constantine?
it sounded like the second coming
you have to make sense of the colors
and
it is hard to ignore the red sea in the south
and
the black sea in the north
and
it is hard to ignore the red sea in the south
and
the black sea in the north
so why do they hate constantine?
who
must be the third most significant person of all time
who
must be the third most significant person of all time
identifying the four horsemen is not possible
if
you don't get the bow right
most see it as a bow and arrow
and
a quick search of the old testament will show that it is a rainbow
constantine the rider of the white horse had a bow, a covenant
he started a christian empire that would last one thousand years
and
it protected rome and europe
he started a christian empire that would last one thousand years
and
it protected rome and europe
JosephR
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do you think any man earns more in a day then what sustains them?
JosephR
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could the bow be the sign of the end with fire, the sign of the promise to Noah and all man....
JosephR
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yeah I said that right? the covenant that God would not ever again kill the Earth with water...thats what the bow is for..
so why do you think the rider of the white horse has a bow?
JosephR
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because He comes with fire... God keeps His promise.
so why does he come before the rider of the red horse?
JosephR
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I am asking the questions here
I dont know... I dont really concern myself with future events..so I havent studied them,,just asking questions is all.