John witnessed the seals being opened and the Horsemen riding out. None of those on you list were even born then.
the four horsemen
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John witnessed the seals being opened and the Horsemen riding out. None of those on you list were even born then.
it was a vision of what is to come
Those four horsemen rode out and the result of their riding out is apparent in every generation since and will be until the end of time.
False Prophet
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IN the Mahabharata the white sea is the sea of milk.
OCTOBER23
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chrysostom
Re 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
The White horse is a Religious base under a man who was crowned a Ruler by others
and the shape of a bow when it is plucked is a crescent moon = Islamic ANTICHRIST
Red horse is his WARS and Deaths starting after the first 3 1/2 years of the 7 year peace treaty made with him on October 23, 2014.
Re 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Re 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
The White horse is a Religious base under a man who was crowned a Ruler by others
and the shape of a bow when it is plucked is a crescent moon = Islamic ANTICHRIST
Red horse is his WARS and Deaths starting after the first 3 1/2 years of the 7 year peace treaty made with him on October 23, 2014.
Re 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
BigBoof1959
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The rider on the white horse "goes forth conquering, that he might overcome". How does the activity of "conquering" square with seeing the "bow" as the rainbow, which was a sign of God's pledge to restrain from wiping all flesh from the earth with another flood? This rider does something actively, he "goes forth". That sounds a little different than a promise to not do something (destroy all flesh) The form of the verb "nikon" (conquering) is a present active participle. The second occurrence of this verb in the verse (nik-ees-ee) is in the subjunctive mood, which indicates potentiality, but not certainty. The final "overcoming" or "conquering" that this rider seeks is conditional on something else taking place. If the bow is the rainbow and the promise it signifies in Genesis 9:13, then that covenant which God made with Noah and his sons would be conditional also. But it was not given that way.
constantine started a christian empire that would last a thousand years
how does that happen without divine intervention?
I just read n entire book, front to back, called "Behold, A Pale Horse".
It's about a grand conspiracy going on all over the world, which is *drumroll* the Pale Horse incarnate.
There are some things in it that is openly admitted as speculation, some perhaps even far fetched, but it's a very interesting revelation and insight. I highly recommend it :thumb:
It's about a grand conspiracy going on all over the world, which is *drumroll* the Pale Horse incarnate.
There are some things in it that is openly admitted as speculation, some perhaps even far fetched, but it's a very interesting revelation and insight. I highly recommend it :thumb:
BigBoof1959
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I don't think God is interested in taking any credit for what Constantine started, or for how long it continued. The bow in the first rider's hand is an archery bow, and this horseman is associated with the other three. The parables Jesus spoke about leaven spreading through the kingdom of God, and about the mustard plant growing so abnormally huge that the birds of heaven could nest in it are given the same positive spin by catholic teaching that is being proposed for this white horseman, even though the symbols of leaven and "the birds of heaven" in scripture are both used in a negative sense in the overwhelming majority of cases.
Behold A Pale horse is by William Cooper. He has at least one chapter on the international ruling elite, often called the Illuminati. Cooper had some understanding of the role of the ruling elite and also of Marxism co-opted by them. He seemed to know that the Pale Horse, the last of the four, whose rider is Death and Hell follows after, is a metaphor for our time now. I am not sure whether Cooper saw that the pale horse with Death as its rider incorporates within itself the previous three horses, the white, red and black horses. But having been in Navy Intelligence he should have known about the United States following the end of World War II bringing in the top Nazi intelligence operatives to help form the new CIA, and Operation Paperclip in which Nazi German scientists, technicians, and engineers were brought to the United States for employment. This was a kind of incorporation of the Black Horse regime of Nazi Germany into the U.S. National Security State, beginning in the 1947 act.
Cooper might have known about the forms of non-Bolshevik Marxism that got going in the U.S. ,the Frankfurt School on the Left and what is called Neo-Conservatism on the Right, from the City College of New York 1930's group of Marxists. The Neo-cons were prevalent in the administration of George W. Bush.
Maybe he did see the Red Horse as Marxism and as the Old Soviet Union. Often on his broadcasts when someone called in to try to argue with what Cooper was teaching he would call them "Baby Marxists." I think what he meant was that trying to argue with what he was presenting was using the Marxist dialectic, that is, trying to undermine and compromise the truth and morality.
The White Horse, seen as the British Empire and also as colonialism, and usury banking, was earlier incorporated into the U.S. which later became the Pale Horse as the National Security State.
Cooper might have known about the forms of non-Bolshevik Marxism that got going in the U.S. ,the Frankfurt School on the Left and what is called Neo-Conservatism on the Right, from the City College of New York 1930's group of Marxists. The Neo-cons were prevalent in the administration of George W. Bush.
Maybe he did see the Red Horse as Marxism and as the Old Soviet Union. Often on his broadcasts when someone called in to try to argue with what Cooper was teaching he would call them "Baby Marxists." I think what he meant was that trying to argue with what he was presenting was using the Marxist dialectic, that is, trying to undermine and compromise the truth and morality.
The White Horse, seen as the British Empire and also as colonialism, and usury banking, was earlier incorporated into the U.S. which later became the Pale Horse as the National Security State.
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so this guy comes along
starts a christian empire that lasts 1000 years
and
you think that can happen without divine intervention?
do you realize that you would now be reading the koran
if
that had not happened?
Robert_1965
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How do you know the bow in the first rider's hand is an archery bow?
BigBoof1959
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The rise and spread of Islam was to test and discipline a church that had sunk to using the world's methods. As for why I see the bow as an archery bow, it fits the context of the passage far better than seeing it as a rainbow. In Genesis. the rainbow is a sign of God promising not to wipe out mankind with another flood. In Revelation none of the horsemen are carrying flood waters. And if this white horseman is really carrying the sign of Noah's covenant, then he is slowly losing ground throughout the book, not conquering, as the severity of the plagues and the percentage of mankind dying in them goes up. Another thing to note, the horse is usually related to warfare in scripture, not to protection.
The historicist interpretation of the Book of Revelation does not fully follow Revelation 1: 1, "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"
Taking "things which must shortly come to pass" as literally meaning events which took place soon after John wrote leads to interpretations which are history but have little relevance to our time, such as saying that Constantine is one of the Four Horses of Revelation 6: 1-8. Interpreting the white horse as the British Empire might also be seen as history. Yet England still exists, and if you see the pale horse as the U.S., under the national security state, it was influenced by England, and so this is still prophecy.
A major problem with the historicist interpretation of Revelation is that it leads to endless speculation and subjectivity in its interpretations. There are many nations and important individuals in history and picking some of them for the Four Horses is arbitrary and subjective.
A system of interpretation of the Four Horses of Revelation 6: 1-8 has to make use of other scripture rather than subjective interpretations from speculation or from some tradition of men like dispensationalism.
Revelation 13: 2 mentions three of the four world empires of Daniel 7: 4-7. The implication is that the fourth empire of Daniel 7: 7 which is the beast government that rises up out of the sea, or one of its heads, the United States as the national security state, not as it was originally as a constitutional republic, has the traits of the lion, the leopard, the bear and the lion of Revelation 13: 2. This is still prophecy for our time, which explains not only what has already happened but the prophecy's total fulfillment is still future.
Rising up out of the sea can have metaphoric meanings other than the fact of history that England rose to power as an empire due to its navy. The Russians were also a sea power though never as powerful as the British, and the same for Germany.
The white, red, and black houses are color coded. They arise in succession as is shown in Daniel 7: 4-7. In fact, Daniel 7 6 says "After this I beheld, and lo, another like a leopard...." implying a succession of beast empires.
And contrary to a lot of church teaching the four beast empires of Daniel 7 are not the same as those of Daniel 2, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Roma, which are pre-Cross empires. The four beast empires in Daniel 7 are after the Cross and continue into our time. Though the British empire is not what it was during World War II, yet England still exists. So the Red Horse Marxist Soviet no longer exists, but Russia does. The same for Germany after its empire was defeated in 1945.
Taking "things which must shortly come to pass" as literally meaning events which took place soon after John wrote leads to interpretations which are history but have little relevance to our time, such as saying that Constantine is one of the Four Horses of Revelation 6: 1-8. Interpreting the white horse as the British Empire might also be seen as history. Yet England still exists, and if you see the pale horse as the U.S., under the national security state, it was influenced by England, and so this is still prophecy.
A major problem with the historicist interpretation of Revelation is that it leads to endless speculation and subjectivity in its interpretations. There are many nations and important individuals in history and picking some of them for the Four Horses is arbitrary and subjective.
A system of interpretation of the Four Horses of Revelation 6: 1-8 has to make use of other scripture rather than subjective interpretations from speculation or from some tradition of men like dispensationalism.
Revelation 13: 2 mentions three of the four world empires of Daniel 7: 4-7. The implication is that the fourth empire of Daniel 7: 7 which is the beast government that rises up out of the sea, or one of its heads, the United States as the national security state, not as it was originally as a constitutional republic, has the traits of the lion, the leopard, the bear and the lion of Revelation 13: 2. This is still prophecy for our time, which explains not only what has already happened but the prophecy's total fulfillment is still future.
Rising up out of the sea can have metaphoric meanings other than the fact of history that England rose to power as an empire due to its navy. The Russians were also a sea power though never as powerful as the British, and the same for Germany.
The white, red, and black houses are color coded. They arise in succession as is shown in Daniel 7: 4-7. In fact, Daniel 7 6 says "After this I beheld, and lo, another like a leopard...." implying a succession of beast empires.
And contrary to a lot of church teaching the four beast empires of Daniel 7 are not the same as those of Daniel 2, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Roma, which are pre-Cross empires. The four beast empires in Daniel 7 are after the Cross and continue into our time. Though the British empire is not what it was during World War II, yet England still exists. So the Red Horse Marxist Soviet no longer exists, but Russia does. The same for Germany after its empire was defeated in 1945.
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Marx! Hahaha! Maybe you should try reading his work first.