"The End of the World(TM)"?

[glorydaz]

It says that the dry bones are the whole house of Israel.

Ezek 37:11 (AKJV/PCE)
(37:11) ¶ Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

Yes, you've made this claim a number of times.

No, they do NOT have sinews and flesh. God says that He will GIVE those to the dry bones.

Ezek 37:6 (AKJV/PCE)
(37:6) And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD.

Please demonstrate this from the scripture.

Since God gives the dry bones both flesh and breath... this appears to be more like a resurrection of the dead (i.e., the dry bones). Like this verse:

Ezek 37:12 (AKJV/PCE)
(37:12) Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

Notice the order. God brings them out of their graves and THEN brings them to the land of Israel.

Ezek 37:13-14 (AKJV/PCE)
(37:13) And ye shall know that I [am] the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, (37:14) And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken [it], and performed [it], saith the LORD.

Again, we see that God gives them His spirit and THEN places them in their own land.

Ezek 37:21-24 (AKJV/PCE)
(37:21) And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: (37:22) And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all: (37:23) Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God. (37:24) And David my servant [shall be] king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

When God does gather them into their land, they will have a king. That is not what we saw in 1948 nor now.

It's a picture shown to Ezekiel. The bones stood for the whole house of Israel as they were scattered....dry. Then, in the vision, the form takes place.....which is what we're seeing today. They won't be filled with the Spirit until they accept their Messiah.

This vision is being revealed by God concerning Israel's return to their land...which is what we've been watching for 75 years now. I'm not sure why you think all the bones need to be accounted for. Remember when Paul says the whole house of Israel will be saved? Clearly that is not talking about individual members.

 

[glorydaz]

It says that the dry bones are the whole house of Israel.

Ezek 37:11 (AKJV/PCE)
(37:11) ¶ Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

Yes, you've made this claim a number of times.

No, they do NOT have sinews and flesh. God says that He will GIVE those to the dry bones.

Ezek 37:6 (AKJV/PCE)
(37:6) And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD.

Please demonstrate this from the scripture.

Since God gives the dry bones both flesh and breath... this appears to be more like a resurrection of the dead (i.e., the dry bones). Like this verse:

Ezek 37:12 (AKJV/PCE)
(37:12) Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

Notice the order. God brings them out of their graves and THEN brings them to the land of Israel.

Ezek 37:13-14 (AKJV/PCE)
(37:13) And ye shall know that I [am] the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, (37:14) And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken [it], and performed [it], saith the LORD.

Again, we see that God gives them His spirit and THEN places them in their own land.

Ezek 37:21-24 (AKJV/PCE)
(37:21) And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: (37:22) And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all: (37:23) Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God. (37:24) And David my servant [shall be] king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

When God does gather them into their land, they will have a king. That is not what we saw in 1948 nor now.

I'm so sorry. I'm not able to keep up, but I did have this thought.
When did Ezekiel write his letter? Surely before 1948 when Israel was "born in a day".

 

[Right Divider]

It's a picture shown to Ezekiel. The bones stood for the whole house of Israel as they were scattered....dry.

Again, you make a claim without support.

Then, in the vision, the form takes place.....which is what we're seeing today.

Begging the question.... again...

They won't be filled with the Spirit until they accept their Messiah.

Begging the question... again...

This vision is being revealed by God concerning Israel's return to their land...which is what we've been watching for 75 years now.

Repeating your unsupported claim does nothing to .... support your claim.

I'm not sure why you think all the bones need to be accounted for.

I said no such thing.

Remember when Paul says the whole house of Israel will be saved? Clearly that is not talking about individual members.

Yes, he means everyone that believes in Israel. In other words, this is after the tares (unbelievers) are removed.

 

[Right Divider]

I'm so sorry. I'm not able to keep up, but I did have this thought.

It seems that you did not even bother to read what I wrote. It explains , in detail, how your theory does NOT match scripture. And how scripture disagrees with your take on this subject.

When did Ezekiel write his letter? Surely before 1948 when Israel was "born in a day".

Duh. Again, begging the question...

Throughout this discussion, you've done exactly what @Clete was complaining about earlier. You stick with your story regardless of any facts that you are shown that refute it. You will not be moved and do not seem to even really read what I've written.

 

[glorydaz]

It seems that you did not even bother to read what I wrote. It explains , in detail, how your theory does NOT match scripture. And how scripture disagrees with your take on this subject.

Duh. Again, begging the question...

Throughout this discussion, you've done exactly what @Clete was complaining about earlier. You stick with your story regardless of any facts that you are shown that refute it. You will not be moved and do not seem to even really read what I've written.

Of course I read what you said, but what you said did not match up with the Prophecy.

I think you mean I won't give in to the bullying tactics you fellas are portraying.
That much is quite true.

 

[Right Divider]

Of course I read what you said, but what you said did not match up with the Prophecy.

I simply quoted the scripture and read what it said. Show me what is supposedly wrong.

I think you mean I won't give in to the bullying tactics you fellas are portraying.
That much is quite true.

The "bullying" is all in your mind. I did no such thing.

 

[glorydaz]

I simply quoted the scripture and read what it said. Show me what is supposedly wrong.

The "bullying" is all in your mind. I did no such thing.

Ah, that's good to hear.

Lots of things are going on in my mind these days, but I'll try not to see bullying where it doesn't exist.
The fact that we seem to disagree about what we're reading seems a bit odd, though.

 

[Right Divider]

Ah, that's good to hear.

Lots of things are going on in my mind these days, but I'll try not to see bullying where it doesn't exist.
The fact that we seem to disagree about what we're reading seems a bit odd, though.

Why don't you specifically address the verses that I quoted in Ezekiel 37?

If you disagree with what I said, explain exactly what you think is wrong.

Don't just make broad accusations without supporting evidence.

 

[Derf]

But, hey, that's why we can discuss in a civil manner to iron things out together.

Iron flattening iron? I thought it was supposed to sharpen.

 

[Nick M]

I agree. My contention isn't that, though. It's that there's no way for us to know when Christ will return.

Not even Jesus Himself knew, only the Father, and not because it's "a set point in the future," but because it hasn't been decided yet.

We don't even know what fullness of the gentiles actually means, or how it is figured. We can make a good guess and maybe it's right, but we don't know.

There's also the fact that this is the generation that has seen the return of the Jews to their homeland. Their 75th anniversary is next month.

The Partition is not prophetic. He will restore Israel, and only those that are resurrected. He will reunite the 2 kingdoms and rule over them. That is the promise. Many generations have passed since the Partition, keep that in mind.

 

[glorydaz]

The Partition is not prophetic. He will restore Israel, and only those that are resurrected. He will reunite the 2 kingdoms and rule over them. That is the promise. Many generations have passed since the Partition, keep that in mind.

What Partition are you talking about?

 

[glorydaz]

Why don't you specifically address the verses that I quoted in Ezekiel 37?

If you disagree with what I said, explain exactly what you think is wrong.

Don't just make broad accusations without supporting evidence.

I see no evidence supporting what you are accusing me of.

 

[Nick M]

What Partition are you talking about?

The Partition refers to the UK handing over the land to modern Israelis. It is proper to call them Israelis and not Israelites. Not as an insult, but God is not with them.

Things that are different are not the same.

 

[Right Divider]

I see no evidence supporting what you are accusing me of.

That is because you are forcing your eyes closed.

You made this unsupported and FALSE claim about what I said.

Of course I read what you said, but what you said did not match up with the Prophecy.

You made no attempt whatsoever to explain HOW or WHY I was wrong. What I said came directly from scripture. I did not "spin it". I just showed it clearly.

Then, you went on to make the claim that I was using "bullying tactics". Which, again, is false.

I think you mean I won't give in to the bullying tactics you fellas are portraying.
That much is quite true.

Make an argument for your position. Make some attempt to refute mine, instead of just saying "I think that you're wrong".

 

[glorydaz]

The Partition refers to the UK handing over the land to modern Israelis. It is proper to call them Israelis and not Israelites. Not as an insult, but God is not with them.

Things that are different are not the same.

Of course God is with the nation of Israel, even when they've been in exile for hundreds of years. Even when He, Himself, scattered them.

The People of Israel consider themselves descendants of Abraham and heirs according to the promise. The fact remain, we are in the last days and Israel is a Nation. A nation that fits the prophecies of old.

 

[Nick M]

A nation that fits the prophecies of old.

How so? None of the them are resurrected in the glorified body?

12 Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Behold, O My people, I will open your graves and cause you to come up from your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13 Then you shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O My people, and brought you up from your graves. 14 I will put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I, the Lord, have spoken it and performed it,” says the Lord.’ ”

21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.


24 “David My servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them.

 

[Nick M]

I'm not saying the end is near or not. The world I grew up in, probably you too, sounds a lot like Paul's description "lovers of self" in the narcissitic social media generation with complete perversion of life. But Jews moving back isn't what Ezekiel and the Lord Jesus Christ said.

 

[way 2 go]

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It's Memorial Day. We accept the torch passed from our fallen brothers and sisters. And my summary of where AI is going — and why it suddenly appeared during the pandemic — may surprise you.

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Finally, I’ve resisted this idea for months, considering it fringe and kooky. But I’m being persuaded that the Book of the Revelation predicted the rise of artificial intelligence. Revelation 13:15 describes a character often called “the False Prophet” (called the ‘Second Beast’ in the Bible). The False Prophet is permitted by God to create an image of the Antichrist (the First Beast), and bizarrely, it says that the “image of the beast” could speak.

That’s contradictory in a way; it’s the exact opposite of everything the rest of the Bible says about images. Over and over the Bible emphasizes that idols — images of false gods — CANNOT SPEAK. They can’t do anything.

So where did this one single talking image come from?

It has occurred to me that software backups are often called “images.” And ChatGPT can already assume a persona, which is a kind of image of a person. You can already ask ChatGPT to “be President Trump,” and it will start answering your questions in Trump’s unmistakeable rhetorical style.

“It’s the BEST SOFTWARE EVER MADE, believe me.”
So what happens when they combine that Trump persona with a digital video, in other words, a visual image of the President? It will be an image that can speak.

It is not difficult to imagine that an upcoming version of the AI will include lots of current and historical “characters,” like Abraham Lincoln or Albert Einstein. You’ll have them right on your phone, right in your pocket, and you’ll be able to talk to them, and ask them for advice anytime. They’ll be photorealistic, moving, and they’ll happily tell you what to do

 

[glorydaz]

How so? None of the them are resurrected in the glorified body?

12 Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Behold, O My people, I will open your graves and cause you to come up from your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13 Then you shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O My people, and brought you up from your graves. 14 I will put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I, the Lord, have spoken it and performed it,” says the Lord.’ ”

21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.


24 “David My servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them.

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Those verses are not referring to a resurrection of individuals, but to the nation itself. In fact it seems to be speaking of the entire event, from their scattering to their being gathered together, then comes the tribulation, before anyone is resurrected (except the church). it takes us right up to the time when the Lord dwells in the midst of them forever. -- 28 And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

That's why they say the NATION was"born in a day" in Isaiah 66: 8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

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[glorydaz]

☕️ LOVE AND POPPIES ☙ Monday, May 29, 2023 ☙ C&C NEWS 🦠

It's Memorial Day. We accept the torch passed from our fallen brothers and sisters. And my summary of where AI is going — and why it suddenly appeared during the pandemic — may surprise you.

www.coffeeandcovid.com

Finally, I’ve resisted this idea for months, considering it fringe and kooky. But I’m being persuaded that the Book of the Revelation predicted the rise of artificial intelligence. Revelation 13:15 describes a character often called “the False Prophet” (called the ‘Second Beast’ in the Bible). The False Prophet is permitted by God to create an image of the Antichrist (the First Beast), and bizarrely, it says that the “image of the beast” could speak.

That’s contradictory in a way; it’s the exact opposite of everything the rest of the Bible says about images. Over and over the Bible emphasizes that idols — images of false gods — CANNOT SPEAK. They can’t do anything.

So where did this one single talking image come from?

It has occurred to me that software backups are often called “images.” And ChatGPT can already assume a persona, which is a kind of image of a person. You can already ask ChatGPT to “be President Trump,” and it will start answering your questions in Trump’s unmistakeable rhetorical style.

“It’s the BEST SOFTWARE EVER MADE, believe me.”
So what happens when they combine that Trump persona with a digital video, in other words, a visual image of the President? It will be an image that can speak.

It is not difficult to imagine that an upcoming version of the AI will include lots of current and historical “characters,” like Abraham Lincoln or Albert Einstein. You’ll have them right on your phone, right in your pocket, and you’ll be able to talk to them, and ask them for advice anytime. They’ll be photorealistic, moving, and they’ll happily tell you what to do

We are so close to the end, we're about to fall off the edge.

It's to the point where we can't believe anything we see, and less of what we hear.
If the unbelievers aren't suspecting something big is up, they're under some strange delusion.