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In the flat earth fantasy constellations should appear to distort as they travel the 'heavens'. They don't. Flat earth disproved. Again.
Stuart
The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II
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In the flat earth fantasy constellations should appear to distort as they travel the 'heavens'. They don't. Flat earth disproved. Again.
Stuart
How is this a problem?
How is this a problem?
I doubt that it travels. Rotates, sure. But all evidence points to the Milky Way Galaxy being near the center of the universe.
Not if it was created and placed into orbit by the hand of God.
Dave, here are some facts about the Solar System:
The Sun has 99% of the mass of the Solar System, yet it only has 1% of the spin.
This is not possible if the nebular formation theory is true (which it's not, and I don't hold to it).
More here: http://kgov.com/planet-formation-theory-decimated
See the above link.
Dave, you've been shown how gravity works. Please stop making straw men arguments about how it works.
I've been "told", not "shown" how gravity works, and it makes no sense, and when that's the case an appeal is always made to "the hand of God" as if that answers and justifies the inconsistencies/contradictions.
--Dave
Could you please select that one from this list:
Achelois - One of the moon goddesses.
Achelous - The patron god of the Achelous river.
Aeolus - (a.k.a. Aeolos, Aiolos, Aiolus, Eolus) God of air and the winds.
Aether - (a.k.a. Aither, Akmon, Ether) God of light and the atmosphere.
Alastor - God of family feuds.
Alcyone - One of the seven daughters of Atlas and Pleione.
Alectrona - Early Greek goddess of the sun.
Amphitrite - (a.k.a. Salacia) The wife of Poseidon and a Nereid.
Antheia - Goddess of gardens, flowers, swamps, and marshes.
Aphaea - (a.k.a. Aphaia) A Greek goddess who was worshipped exclusively at a single sanctuary on the island of Aegina in the Saronic Gulf.
Aphrodite - (a.k.a. Anadyomene, Turan, Venus) Goddess of love and beauty.
Apollo - (a.k.a. Apollon, Apulu, Phoebus) God of the sun, music, healing, and herding.
Ares - (a.k.a. Enyalius, Mars, Aries) God of chaotic war.
Aristaeus - (a.k.a. Aristaios) Patron god of animal husbandry, bee-keeping, and fruit trees.
Artemis - (a.k.a. Agrotora, Amarynthia, Cynthia, Kourotrophos, Locheia, Orthia, Phoebe, Potnia Theron) Goddess of the moon, hunting, and nursing.
Asclepius - (a.k.a. Aesculapius, Asklepios) God of health and medicine.
Astraea - The Star Maiden - a goddess of justice, included in Virgo and Libra mythologies.
Até - Goddess of mischief.
Athena - (a.k.a. Asana, Athene, Minerva, Menerva) Goddess of wisdom, poetry, art, and the strategic side of war.
Atlas - The Primordial Titan who carried the weight of the heavens on his back.
Atropos - (a.k.a. Aisa, Morta) One of The Fates - She cut the thread of life and chose the manner of a persons death.
Attis - The (minor) god of rebirth.
Bia - The goddess of force.
Boreas - (a.k.a. Aquilo, Aquilon) The North Wind. One of the Anemoi (wind gods).
Brizo - Protector of Mariners.
Caerus - (a.k.a. Kairos, Occasio, Tempus) The (minor) god of luck and opportunity.
Calliope - One of the Muses. Represented epic poetry.
Calypso - (a.k.a. Kalypso) The sea nymph who held Odysseus prisoner for seven years.
Castor - (a.k.a. Castore, Kastor) One of the twins who represent Gemini.
Celaeno - The name of a wife of Poseidon.
Cerus - The wild bull tamed by Persephone, made into the Taurus constellation.
Ceto - (a.k.a. Keto) a sea monster goddess who was also the mother of other sea monsters.
Chaos - (a.k.a. Khaos) The nothingness that all else sprung from.
Charon - (a.k.a. Charun) The Ferryman of Hades. He had to be paid to help one cross the river Styx.
Chronos - (a.k.a. Chronus, Khronos) God of time.
Circe - (a.k.a. Kirke) A goddess who transformed her enemies into beasts.
Clio - One of the Muses. She represented History.
Clotho - (a.k.a. Nona) One of the Fates - Spun the thread of life from her distaff onto her spindle.
Crios - The crab who protected the sea nymphs, made into the Cancer constellation.
Cronus - (a.k.a. Cronos, Kronos, Saturn) God of agriculture, father of the Titans.
Cybele - (a.k.a. Agdistis, Magna Mater, Meter, Meter Oreie) Goddess of caverns, mountains, nature and wild animals.
Demeter - (a.k.a. Ceres, Demetra, Tvath) Goddess of the harvest.
Dinlas - Guardian of the ancient city of Lamark, where wounded heroes could heal after battle.
Dionysus - (a.k.a. Bacchus, Dionysos, Liber) God of wine and pleasure.
Doris - A Sea Nymph, mother of the Nereids.
Eileithyia - (a.k.a. Eileithyiai, Eilithia, Eilythia, Eleuthia, Ilithia, Ilithyia, Lucina) Goddess of childbirth.
Eireisone - The deity who embodied the sacred ceremonial olive branch.
Electra - (a.k.a. Atlantis) One of the seven Pleiades.
Elpis - (a.k.a. Spes) The spirit of Hope.
Enyo - (a.k.a. Bellona) A (minor) goddess of war, connected to Eris.
Eos - (a.k.a. Aurora, Eosphorus, Mater Matuta, Thesan) Goddess of the Dawn.
Erato - One of the Muses - represents Lyrics/Love Poetry.
Erebus - (a.k.a. Erebos) God of darkness.
Eris - (a.k.a. Discordia) Goddess of strife, connected to Enyo.
Eros - (a.k.a. Amor, Cupid, Eleutherios) God of love, procreation and sexual desire.
Eurus - (a.k.a. Euros, Vulturnus) The East Wind - One of the Anemoi (wind gods).
Euterpe - One of the Muses - represents Music/Lyrics/Poetry.
Gaia - (a.k.a. Celu, Gaea, Terra) Goddess of the Earth, also known as Mother Earth.
Glaucus - (a.k.a. Glacus, Glaukos) A fisherman turned immortal, turned Argonaut, turned a god of the sea.
Hades - (a.k.a. Aita, Dis Pater, Haidou, Orcus, Plouton, Pluto) God of the Dead, King of the Underworld.
Harmonia - (a.k.a. Concordia) Goddess of Harmony and Concord.
Hebe - (a.k.a. Juventas) Goddess of youth.
Hecate - (a.k.a. Hekat, Hekate, Trivia) Goddess of magic, witchcraft, ghosts, and the undead.
Helios - (a.k.a. Sol) God of the Sun.
Hemera - (a.k.a. Amar, Dies, Hemere) Goddess of daylight.
Hephaestus - (a.k.a. Hephaistos, Vulcan, Sethlans, Mulciber) God of fire and blacksmithing who created weapons for the gods.
Hera - (a.k.a. Juno, Uni) Goddess of goddesses, women, and marriage and wife of Zeus.
Heracles - (a.k.a. Herakles, Hercules, Hercle) An immortal hero of many Greek legends, the strongest man on Earth.
Hermes - (a.k.a. Pyschopompus, Mercury, Turms) God of commerce and travel, and messenger of the gods.
Hesperus - (a.k.a. Hesperos, Vesper) The Evening Star.
Hestia - (a.k.a. Vesta) Greek goddess of the home and fertility. One of the Hesperides.
Hygea - (a.k.a. Hygieia, Salus) Goddess of cleanliness and hygeine.
Hymenaios - (a.k.a. Hymenaeus, Hymen) God of weddings.
Hypnos - (a.k.a. Somnus) God of sleep.
Iris - Goddess of rainbows.
Khione - The goddess of snow and daughter of the North Wind (Boreas).
Kotys - (a.k.a. Cotys, Cottyto, Cottytus) A Dionysian goddess whose celebrations were wild and liscivious.
Kratos - A god of strength and power.
Lacheses - (a.k.a. Decima) One of the Fates. Measured the thread of life with her rod.
Maia - (a.k.a. Mya, Fauna, Maia Maiestas, Bono Dea) One of the seven Pleiades, Goddess of fields.
Mania - (a.k.a. Mania, Manea) Goddess of insanity and the dead.
Melpomene - One of the Muses - represented Tragedy.
Merope - One of the seven Pleiades, married to king Sisyphos.
Metis - Titan goddess of wisdom.
Momus - (a.k.a. Momos) God of satire, writers, and poets.
Morpheus - God of dreams and sleep.
Nemesis - (a.k.a. Rhamnousia, Invidia) Goddess of retribution (vengeance).
Nereus - (a.k.a. Phorcys, Phorkys) Titan God who Fathered the Nereids. God of the Sea before Poseidon.
Nike - (a.k.a. Victoria, Nice) Goddess of victory.
Notus - (a.k.a. Auster) The South Wind. One of the Anemoi (wind gods).
Nyx - (a.k.a. Nox) Goddess of night.
Oceanus - Titan god of the ocean.
Pallas - A giant who was one of the ancient Titan gods of war.
Pan - (a.k.a. Faunus, Inuus) God of woods, fields, and flocks. Also a Satyr.
Peitha - (a.k.a. Peitho, Suadela) Goddess of persuasion.
Persephone - (a.k.a. Persephassa, Persipina, Persipnei, Persephatta, Proserpina, Kore, Kora, Libera) Goddess of the Spring who lives off-season in the Underworld.
Pheme - (a.k.a. Fama) Goddess of fame and gossip.
Phosphorus - (a.k.a. Phosphor, Lucifer) The Morning Star.
Plutus - God of wealth.
Pollux - (a.k.a. Polydeuces) One of the twins who represent Gemini.
Polyhymnia - One of the Muses - represents sacred poetry and geometry.
Pontus - (a.k.a. Pontos) Ancient god of the deep sea.
Poseidon - (a.k.a. Neptune, Nethuns, Neptunus) God of the sea and earthquakes.
Priapus - (a.k.a. Priapus, Mutinus, Mutunus) A (minor) god of gardens and fertility, best known for having an enormous penis.
Pricus - The immortal father of sea-goats, made into the Capricorn constellation.
Proteus - An early sea god before Poseidon.
Rhea - (a.k.a. Cybele) Goddess of nature.
Selene - (a.k.a. Luna) Goddess of the Moon and the 'mother' of vampires.
Sterope - (a.k.a. Asterope) One of the seven Pleiades, who bore a child of Ares.
Styx - A Naiad who was the first to aid Zeus in the Titan war. (Not to be confused with the river Styx).
Tartarus - (a.k.a. Tartaros, Tartarizo) God of the depths of the Underworld - a great storm pit - and the father of Typhon.
Taygete - (a.k.a. Taygeti, Taigeti) One of the seven Pleiades, a mountain nymph.
Terpsichore - One of the Muses - represented Dancing.
Thalia - One of the Muses - represented Comedy.
Thanatos - (a.k.a. Mors) God of death.
Themis - Ancient goddess of divine order, law, and custom.
Thetis - Leader of the Nereids, a shapeshifter, and a prophet.
Triton - Trumpeter of the sea and messenger of the deep.
Tyche - (a.k.a. Fortuna, Nortia) Goddess of fortune and prosperity.
Typhon - (a.k.a. Typhaon, Typhoeus, Typhus) God of monsters, storms, and volcanoes. Challenged Zeus for control of Mount Olympus.
Urania - One of the Muses - represented Astronomy and Astrology.
Uranus - (a.k.a. Ouranos, Caelus) God of the sky and the heavens. Father of the Titans.
Zelus - The god of zeal, rivalry, and jealousy.
Zephyrus - (a.k.a. Zephyros, Favonius, Zephyr) The West Wind. One of the Anemoi (wind gods).
Zeus - (a.k.a. Dias, Jupiter, Tinia, Jove, Jovis Pater) Leader of the Olympic gods, and god of lightning, thunder, and the heavens.
Thanks.
Stuart
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The gravitational pull of the sun would be weaker if the earth moves farther away and stronger when earth is pulled closer.
--Dave
You said there was a god called the 'Unmoved Mover'. Since these are the gods the ancient Greeks believed in, I was hoping you might identify which it was.
Which is it?
Stuart
Gravity never changes at it is a function of mass. The gravitational attraction between the Sun and Earth varies by 3%.
So that would be a constant variance, a contradiction of terms.
And the galaxy traveling through space has no effect on gravity whatsoever?
--Dave
YAY!!! We have reached an agreement on something. I'd call that a breakthrough.
Lets move forward. So... we agree parallel lines never cross. And therefore with the sun should never cross the horizon since the sun is circling above us parallel to the plane of the horizon (based on the flat earth model).
Yet the sun does in fact cross the horizon. The sun crosses the horizon as it rises and as it sets.
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Dave you have stated the only reason that the sun appears to set is due to perspective and that it causes it to appear so small that we can no longer see it. However as you can see in the picture (and if you look outside tonight) the sun is very much the same size at sunset as it is in the middle of the day. Are you suggesting that the bottom half of the sun is so small we cant see it but the rest of the sun is still normal size? No that cannot be. The sun must be setting below the horizon line. It cannot be circling on a plane parallel to the surface of the flat earth.
How can you explain two parallel items (the sun's circular path) and the circle of the flat earth crossing each other?
Aristotle gave us the "Unmoved Mover", aka, "Perfect Being" and "Pure Actuality". You didn't know that?
Plato and Aristotle changed the world from the mythology of immanent polytheism and flat earth to globe earth geocentrism and transcendent monotheism.
History can be divided into three distinct epochs.
The beginning to about 300 BC was immanent polytheism and flat earth.
From 300 BC to 1500 AD was geocentrism and the beginning of transcendent monotheism.
From 1500 AD to 1900 AD was heliocentrism and the beginning of atheism.
Christianity and the Trinity oppose Greek transcendent monotheism. Augustine united the two in a synthesis of theological contradictions called paradoxes. Atheism rejects the contradicts and Biblical theism as if the two were the same thing which open theists, like myself and Clete, argue are not the same thing. Clete and other of my fellow open theists are clearly unhappy with my challenge to heliocentrism.
--Dave
"A fact, stretching back at least to Aristotle in the 4th century B.C., holds that the Moon appears larger near the horizon due to a real magnification effect caused by the Earth's atmosphere, he legitimated a fact that this is an illusion perceived through the human eye."--Wiki
Rob Skiba explains atmospheric magnification on a flat earth!
So if atmospheric magnification occurs then the sun is not really the same size when it sets and the horizon is not really ground that the sun drops behind but it's perspective that causes us to see it that way.
--Dave
Well indeed. It does help to know which Greek philosophers you are talking about. You are talking about the Greek theologians, as it turns out!
Biblical theism and the paradoxes are all nonsense, which is what unites them.
But you haven't challenged helocentrism. Where did you do that?
Stuart
Not when it's a lie, David!
Why are you so ready to believe these fools while believing that the whole damn world is lying about something so ridiculous as the shape of the Earth?
Besides, microwaves are just light. It's susceptible to the same atmospheric distortions as the light you can see. The lower wave length of microwaves means that it refracts less than visible light but it does still refract and bend itself around the curvature of the Earth to some degree, depending on the conditions.
It is literally laughable that you even consider it evidence, never mind proof. It's no where near proof.
You mean the way you do?
What absolutely is proof that the Earth is not flat is precisely the fact that everyone - EVERYONE - on Earth sees the Sun rise directly due east and set directly due west (accounting of course for variations in horizon (i.e. hills, mountain, trees or other obstructions). It makes no difference where you live, the Sun will be directly due East/West when it is 90° to your zenith.
THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY THAT THIS CAN HAPPEN ON A FLAT EARTH OR ON ANY EARTH THAT HAS A NEARBY SUN.
That makes your flat earth stupidity rationally impossible. Since it is not possible to prove that which is rationally impossible, no evidence you care to name will be proof of anything other than your intellectual dishonesty.
And when I say you've lost your mind, I mean it in a literal sense. It isn't an insult, even if it is insulting. You mind only functions by means of sound reason. To abandon reason is to abandon your mind. When you embrace the irrational and refuse to acknowledge reason, you have, figuratively speaking, blown your own brains out.
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