An earth that was spinning at the surface 1000 to 600 mph would be impossible for us to live on.
There is no need of a reference point at that speed.
--Dave
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An earth that was spinning at the surface 1000 to 600 mph would be impossible for us to live on.
There is no need of a reference point at that speed.
--Dave
No.
We APPEAR to be motionless.
No. ALL heavenly bodies, including the one you're on, are moving. The object one is using as a frame of reference is arbitrarily designated as motionless.
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This is just plain dishonesty.
The earth rotates once per day.
That means, that a point at the equator moves 24,901 miles per day. That's about 1521.7 ft/s, or 463.8 m/s.
That's not very fast at all considering the size of the earth.
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It's funny how he just throws things like that out without even the slightest explanation of what the problem is.
Dave left the realm of truth and science a long time ago.
This is incorrect, by the way.
At the earth's spin axis, the angular momentum is 0 mph.
At the equator, the angular momentum is ~1037.5 mph.
Why would it be impossible for us to live on?
Saying it doesn't make it so.
You are a hypocrite Dave. When I tried to discuss this topic with you, calmly and without name calling, you ignored me.
You are a hypocrite Dave. When Clete presented some compelling evidence for a view that opposed your's, you ignored it.
Why should we pay attention to what you post? You are a hypocrite.
No, the parallel is between flat earth arguments and common descentists arguments. Specifically, the avoidance of dealing with inconvenient facts.
Sure, start a thread and commit to answering in it. You won't. You always throw a couple snide comments and leave before anything can be established.
I did and I don't.
Not very fast???
"To make one complete rotation in 24 hours, a point near the equator of the Earth must move at close to 1000 miles per hour."
The speed of earth at the surface, if it is spinning, is not in dispute.
A jet flying at the speed of sound is what it would be like across America.
"Not very fast for a planet the size of the earth" makes me laugh. Maybe you said this to be funny. If you did, it's a good joke.
--Dave
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Once AGAIN, what is the problem?
The speed of the earth at the surface relative to what?
About 1037.5 mph, actually.
If it were in a geosynchronous orbit above the earth, sure.
Dave, you try turning around 360 degrees in 24 hours.
You'll be turning pretty slow too.
The only difference is the size.
What's the same is that whereas you're only about 2 feet wide (about a foot from spine to shoulder), the earth has a much larger radius of about 3,958.8 miles.
I have said many times that there's good evidence for the spinning globe, but, it all comes from looking into outer space and what's out there rather than looking at the earth itself.
I have honestly said I can't counter many good arguments against flat earth, such as you, Clete, and others have presented. I prefer that both sides make their case and let everyone, including those who are following this debate to make up their own minds.
If you think I have ignored anything It's probably because I could not put down a written answer or offered a video that I thought did.
Flat earth exists as a possibility in my mind because of a number of contradictions that the heliocentric model presents us with.
--Dave
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You have not presented any real "contradictions" at all. Only your opinions about what we "observe".
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Seriously???
The problem is the earth is not moving at any speed, 0 mph, when you're standing on it.
--Dave
Duh, Dave, because your speed relative to the earth is 0 mph.
Once again:
An external frame of reference is needed to determine motion. Relative to you standing on the earth, the earth is not moving. Relative to the earth, you are not moving. Relative to a car traveling down the highway you're standing on, both you and the earth are moving. Relative to the driver of the car, the car is not moving, but you and the earth are moving.
Motion is always RELATIVE to a frame of reference.
Saying anything that moves, on or above the earth, can "move" freely in any direction through the atmosphere but a spinning earth cannot (or does not) move through the atmosphere is a clear and obvious contradiction.
--Dave
Dave, we just went through this.
The atmosphere is moving WITH the earth. It's motion relative to the earth (ignoring air currents, et al, for the moment for simplicity's sake) is 0 mph, just like your motion relative to the earth's surface while standing in one place is 0 mph.
No one can stand on a car, or an earth, moving at 1000 mph!!!
Your relativity idea is not a picture of reality.
--Dave
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