The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II
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Instead of continuing the BEG THE QUESTION.... please explain what the problem is with the earth rotating once per day.
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Dave, this may be the height of your stupidity in this thread.
The air is moving with the motion of the earth. It's just So simple. Why can't you understand it?
Only if you're using the same frame of reference for both speeds.
But we're not.
We're using TWO DIFFERENT frames of reference for both speeds.
Thus, no contradiction.
ONCE AGAIN:
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN ABSOLUTE FRAME OF REFERENCE.
ALL FRAMES OF REFERENCE are ARBITRARY.
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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion
In physics, motion is the change in position of an object with respect to its surroundings in a given interval of time. Motion is mathematically described in terms of displacement, distance, velocity, acceleration, and speed. Motion of a body is observed by attaching a frame of reference to an observer and measuring the change in position of the body relative to that frame.
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_of_reference
In physics, a frame of reference (or reference frame) consists of an abstract coordinate system and the set of physical reference points that uniquely fix (locate and orient) the coordinate system and standardize measurements.
As JR has tried to get you to understand, in ALL CASES we arbitrarily chose our references.
In physics, motion is the change in position of an object with respect to its surroundings in a given interval of time. Motion is mathematically described in terms of displacement, distance, velocity, acceleration, and speed. Motion of a body is observed by attaching a frame of reference to an observer and measuring the change in position of the body relative to that frame.
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_of_reference
In physics, a frame of reference (or reference frame) consists of an abstract coordinate system and the set of physical reference points that uniquely fix (locate and orient) the coordinate system and standardize measurements.
As JR has tried to get you to understand, in ALL CASES we arbitrarily chose our references.
We don't experience an earth moving at the speed of sound or more, depending on where we live under our feet.
--Dave
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Yes, we do.
You continue to use the EARTH as your arbitrary frame of reference to THEN say that the earth is not moving.
That is fallacious reasoning Dave.
1. Does the air move in only one direction?
2. Does the air move at a constant speed as the earth does?
Both answers are no, so the air does not move with the earth.
--Dave
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Perhaps I could have been slightly more clear:
The ATMOSPHERE AS A WHOLE is moving with the earth.
Do the propellers on a plane move the same speed as the plane?
That depends, is your frame of reference the plane? or is it the earth?
If the plane, no, the propellers are spinning much faster than the plane is.
If the earth, yes, the propellers are moving at the same speed as the plane, but spinning.
A lot of your problem is you're not considering "direction" when you ask about speed.
Speed and direction is velocity. You're only accounting for speed, when direction is important too.
The fact that parts of the atmosphere are moving in different directions relative to other parts of the atmosphere has ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING on whether the atmosphere as a whole is moving in the same direction as the earth.
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Frame of reference, Dave.
- Every air molecule is moving independently from all others, when the frame of reference is the individual air molecules.
- With reference to the entire atmosphere of the earth, it moves generally along with the earth.
Frame of reference
"As there is no absolute frame of reference, absolute motion cannot be determined. Thus, everything in the universe can be considered to be moving."
Rational thought is based on antithesis. We know what a thing is not only by it's identity or definition but also by what it is not, it's antithesis. The antithesis of movement is not moving. Obviously there are times when things are moving and when they are not moving. Just as obvious we all agree that everything on or above the earth that moves or does not move is mainly in reference to an earth that is not moving.
I agree with you that this does not mean that the earth, as a whole if the atmosphere is included, is not moving. But the idea of modern physics that everything in the universe is moving is counter intuitive and irrational. We have lost our antithesis, anything not moving is an illusion from a limited perspective. But if there is one place, or point, in the universe that is absolutely not moving then modern physics is wrong.
The belief that every point in the universe is motionless to every other point that is moving relative to it is contradicted by every other point that is also motionless relative to every other point. From every point in the universe the universe is also not moving. Movement can be the illusion. In relativity we actually have a universe that is both moving from one perspective and not moving from another which is obviously irrational in that a thing cannot be both moving and not moving.
--Dave
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Since you cannot understand the basics of motion... you cannot understand anything about this discussion.
The atmosphere
If the atmosphere is moving with the spinning earth then we should be able to locate where the top of that spinning atmosphere is above the earth.
There should the place where spinning atmosphere ends and the vacuum of space begins.
--Dave
That's not how gravity works.
Funnily enough, and no, this isn't evidence for a flat earth: the moon is (technically) inside of Earth's atmosphere.
https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/the-moon-is-inside-earths-atmosphere-claims-study
Which, by the way, supports the hydroplate model of Noah's flood...
(Note: the atmosphere is extremely thin that far from earth, and is still essentially devoid of "stuff," so expect to be sucking vacuum if you take your suit helmet off on your way to the moon...)
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We do know that Dave.... the atmosphere gets continually thinner the higher up you go.
And this just another of your attempts to distract from the actual issue.
Air has mass... it is pulled down due to gravity. Just like everything else.
Where does the atmosphere end and space begin
"Outer space does not begin at a definite altitude above the Earth's surface. However, the Kármán line, an altitude of 100 km (62 mi) above sea level, is conventionally used as the start of outer space in space treaties and for aerospace records keeping."
And you think the moon is in earth's atmosphere.
Seems we have a problem.
Let's try to solve it.
--Dave
This is what happens when you don't read the article.
Gravity pulls in one direction, downward.
So do all the particles in the atmosphere simply move in one direction?
--Dave
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