The Death Penalty should be applied equally to all ages

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In principle, perhaps, but in actual practice, it wouldn't work out that way.

If the government actually punished criminals the way it should, there'd be no such thing as nine year old rapists/murderers/sociopaths. It just wouldn't ever happen.
 

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In principle, perhaps, but in actual practice, it wouldn't work out that way.

If the government actually punished criminals the way it should, there'd be no such thing as nine year old rapists/murderers/sociopaths. It just wouldn't ever happen.

Exactly.
 

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In principle, perhaps, but in actual practice, it wouldn't work out that way.

If the government actually punished criminals the way it should, there'd be no such thing as nine year old rapists/murderers/sociopaths. It just wouldn't ever happen.

It doesn't change the fact that society as a whole has rejected that principle, and it has resulted in our current situation.
 

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They've forgotten the "why" for such laws.
They've abandoned the spiritual/moral foundation upon which our civil society was built.

History teaches us that it is not the society that reflects it's laws but the laws that reflect the society. The singular exception is when God gave human government (i.e. law) to mankind after the flood. Since then, it has been an exercise of man deteriorating the law until the society collapses and the remaining population then restoring laws that rebuild society which then degrades the law until collapse and round and round the wheels on the bus go. There's nothing new under the Sun.
 

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They've abandoned the spiritual/moral foundation upon which our civil society was built.

History teaches us that it is not the society that reflects it's laws but the laws that reflect the society. The singular exception is when God gave human government (i.e. law) to mankind after the flood. Since then, it has been an exercise of man deteriorating the law until the society collapses and the remaining population then restoring laws that rebuild society which then degrades the law until collapse and round and round the wheels on the bus go. There's nothing new under the Sun.

As fas as I'm concerned, our nation is in the midst of such a collapse.
 

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As fas as I'm concerned, our nation is in the midst of such a collapse.
I can't see how that could possibly be debated. It's completely obvious.

Incidentally, it is also not stoppable. Barring divine intervention, western civilization will succumb to pressures both from within and without. The low birth rate alone makes the society unsustainable, never mind our near complete lack of moral foundation upon which to raise the children we do have. Left to itself, the situation is quite entirely hopeless, though it may yet be several generations away from total collapse.
 

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I can't see how that could possibly be debated. It's completely obvious.

Incidentally, it is also not stoppable. Barring divine intervention, western civilization will succumb to pressures both from within and without. The low birth rate alone makes the society unsustainable, never mind our near complete lack of moral foundation upon which to raise the children we do have. Left to itself, the situation is quite entirely hopeless, though it may yet be several generations away from total collapse.

I've heard a few people suggest ways to fix our country.

But you can't put new wine into old wineskins.

Additionally, you cant put new wine into broken wineskins. And our nation is completely broken.
 
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