Mocking You
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are you conducting an interview ? -atrol:
I'm attempting to learn about MAD.
ECT The core of the argument between Christians and MAD.
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I'm attempting to learn about MAD.
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Isn't it strange that Paul never even ONCE refers to believers as sheep in his epistles?
Paul also never even ONCE refers to the Lord Jesus Christ as a shepherd.
Isn't that weird?
Mocking You
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Isn't it a lousy debate tactic to make an argument from silence?
Nang
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So, are you denying that Jesus Christ is the Shepard of God's spiritual flock?
No, the death, burial, resurrection, was hid from the 12. One more time:
John 1 KJV
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world
This verse has NADA to do with a sin offering-it was a reference to carrying away our griefs, burdens-NADA to do with dying for our sins.. John the Baptist had no clue that the Lord Jesus Christ would die for our sins.
As others have been shown, on TOL, for years, chapter and verse, no one knew at that time that Christ was going to be put to death. The 11 were clueless. John the Baptist was clueless, witness his puzzlement that he was in prison, and his message to the Lord. "What the heck is happening?". He was expecting the warrior King Messiah, not a suffering servant. It was not until the Sanhedrin declared the Lord Jesus Christ's destruction(Mt. 12:32 KJV), that the Lord Jesus Christ revealed that He was going to die. Again, the 11 were clueless. Everyone was. The passover lamb did not represent "bearing sin," and a lamb was never the sin offering victim. Nor was it "the sin of the world" that the scapegoat bore away-it was the sins of Israel, per Lev. 16:21 KJV. The "bearing of the sin of the world" is not a reference to, a prophecy, pointing to Calvary, but a revelation of what the Lord Jesus Christ was during His earthly ministry. "taketh away"-taking up and carrying burdens, not a "sacrificial" term here.
His earthly ministry-sin bearer, in the sense of taking up and carrying burdens-his groans and tears at the grave of his friend Lazarus....He took up and bore the burden of human sin; not, during His earthly life as to guilt(that was not until Calvary), but as to sufferings and sorrows it brought upon all of mankind:
Is. 53:7 KJV
He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
No sacrificial language is intended here, as slaughter merely means "shambles," as it foretold of the Christ's earthly life of "humbling Himself", and suffering.
Nang
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It is very dangerous and usually leads to serious errors.
Especially if only one Apostle is read totally apart from from the full message provided in accordance with the witness of all the other Apostles.
Arsenios
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They are NOT happy...
So I am just trying to get their attention...
And mirror to them what they do...
Arsenios
"the witness of all the other Apostles."-witchiepoo
Like your "just one piece of good news/"message" in the bible" satanic "doctrine"/"message," which inevitably led you to "beatify" your saint Judas, one of "the other Apostles," who you claim preached the good news of 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV? Tell us about your saint Judas' "witness," biblically clueless one. Go ahead. Lay it out for us.
Let me guess your response: Bah....Gag....
Wolf-ette. Leave our territory, wolf "lady."
Mocking You
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That is a very unusual interpretation.
John's mother Elizabeth knew Jesus was going to be the Messiah. Couldn't she tell John this?
Actually, the words are: “Are you the one who is to come, or should we expect someone else?”, but, yes, they were clueless about Jesus' need to die. Even after he told them several times they still didn't believe it.
OK, that is an interesting distinction worthy of consideration.
I guess we'll have to disagree about this verse's meaning.
Arsenios
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My dear, we seek their prayers that they should benefit by making them for us...
Which is not to say that we do not need their prayers for us...
We do...
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No, the 12, while preaching "the gospel of the kingdom" for almost 3 years, had no idea that the Master would die, and be raised. They initially did not believe that He had risen. Peter, twice, attempted to prevent His death, the very death that would be a "pre-req" to his justification, that would reconcile Him. No one knew-the 12 did not, John the B did not, Mary did not, and satan did not. It was hid.
No one, not even the Lord Jesus Christ, prior to the death/burial/resurrection, preached the good news of 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV, prior to its occurrence.
Arsenios
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Nope. I stay on topic, i.e., , your satanic "argument," i.e., only one piece of good news in the bible-"SAME Gospel." You made it up. You thus have your saint Judas preaching the good news/gospel of 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV, clueless one. That is satanic. Face you....seared, defiled conscience, and all.
SaulToPaul 2
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Who does Arsenios Hall think he is tangling with? None other than saint john w, the great.
Which has nothing to do with who has authority delegated to him by the Lord Jesus Christ.
Nang
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No, Jesus did not quote Paul, for Jesus preceded Paul.
But Jesus, more than once, predicted His death and resurrection.
Only a person who does not read the gospel accounts would make such a blind and wrong statement.
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