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Now Google "False Dilemma Fallacy," since that's the logical error you've committed here, at every point. :doh:
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However, GT's interpretations of the Bible beat nothing.
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I'm certainly qualified to point out the practical implications of your claims, which is exactly what I did in Post #2870.
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Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ.
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The Bible is already interpreted. Just believe and obey what is written.
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Any separation from God is Hell/prison, condemnation.
You are claiming that the saved are away from God, what nonsense.
To be saved is to have eternal life with God.
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You are speaking about a scripture of when Jesus was on earth. God ONLY LET those who already belonged to Him to come to Jesus, and the rest God hardened.
Those who were ALREADY God's, God made them go through Jesus, God gave them to Jesus. Jesus said he would not lose one that God gave him. Again, that was ONLY when Jesus walked the earth and had his earthly ministry. Jesus came FIRST for those who ALREADY belonged to God. Jesus said that when he is crucified---THEN ALL can come to him to be saved.
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When Jesus had his earthly ministry---HE CAME first for those who were already the Father's.
John 17:6 "I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.
John 17:6 "I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.
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When Jesus came to earth, God cut off and hardened Jews that He was unhappy with.
Jesus came for those who already belonged to God.
They now had to go through Jesus to remain God's.
Jesus said when he is crucified---THEN ALL COULD COME TO HIM TO BE SAVED.
John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."
Jesus came for those who already belonged to God.
They now had to go through Jesus to remain God's.
Jesus said when he is crucified---THEN ALL COULD COME TO HIM TO BE SAVED.
John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."
Its your offspring from that that corrupted themselves and turned denominational among others.
Global catholic is from jesus himself. Protestants are included in the world wide Catholic church. Protestants are faithful while RCC are not.
"Well, but they actually treat of the Scriptures and recommend (their opinions) out of the Scriptures! To be sure they do. From what other source could they derive arguments concerning the things of the faith, except from the records of the faith?"
Tertullian--The Prescription Against Heretics, Ch 14
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"Free will has carried many souls to hell, but yet never a soul to heaven." C.H. Spurgeon
a man made belief
Gods Will be done on earth, as it is in heaven. God leaves nothing to chance
the church is a place to gather in His name
-the church is a place to get fed
-the church is a place you can trust
-the church is a place to get fed
-the church is a place you can trust
Jesus Christ did. It is the True Church of God
What is your take on whatever the Church did before the New Testament was even penned? Galatians or 1st Thessalonians wasn't even written until around AD 50, which is some 17 years after the Church was born on Pentecost AD 33, so, what did the Church do, if it was based on Scripture alone? All Scripture before ~ AD 50 was written to Israel, not to the Church.
Matthew 16 Church- "I will build"=didn't exist yet.
Matthew 16 Church=Ephesians 5 Church.
My take is based on the 66 book bible that was breathed by God. Not the extra books which wasn't inspired
And protestants are in the true church of God as well but you don't want them to be cause youre a jealous guy. You'll worship that wafer mister, sister...and like it...even though it is not the God of anything, it's just a wafer, it has NO Power whatsoever..