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Quoting irrelevant scripture does not help your case.
The biblical Jesus Christ wasn’t a post biblical prerequisite to philosophical premises.
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OZOS
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Jesus never denied that He came in the flesh, but you have denied that He came in the flesh.
Actually no scripture denies Jesus Christ came in the flesh hence . So I’m not sure where my words ever suggested what you accuse me of ?
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Joh 1:1 KJV In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:14 KJV And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
That scripture is just as clear as can be that you're WRONG and an anti-Christ.
I understand how messianic prophecy doesn’t fit your anachronistic post biblical prerequisite.
“I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.”
John 8:26-27, 55 KJV
https://www.bible.com/bible/1/jhn.8.26-27,55.kjv
Jesus Christ was faithful to his beliefs not yours 5:17,18 m Luke 24:44.
By the way Jesus Christ never used the NT it was written after the fact under the inspiration of God not men .
Name calling by Jesus Christ ?
“Therefore, laying aside all malice, all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and all evil speaking,
For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps: “Who committed no sin, Nor was deceit found in His mouth”; who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously;”
I Peter 2:1, 21-23 NKJV
https://www.bible.com/bible/114/1pe.2.1,21-23.nkjv
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It's possible. Witness all the people like you who've not come to that conclusion.
Begging the question.
Serious question: Is it not like this for you? Are you, being Nontrinitarian, have difficulty seeing any other interpretation? Or is it easy for you to see the Trinity?
I get it. You take the Scripture as the only reliable thing in the world, and then you attack it logically and analytically, and then after all this work you arrive at a conclusion about it as a whole. The Trinity doesn't enter into your imaginations, because the Trinity is not what is emphasized, whereas there are a lot of other topics and subjects that are heavily emphasized. You figure, if the Scripture itself didn't see fit to heavily emphasize the Trinity, then why should you believe it?
The unambiguous evidence of history however, together with the Scritpure, is completely consistent with the Trinity, and it is completely inconsistent with Nontrinitarian thought.
Nontrinitarianism is a tradition of men, and the Trinity is the Sacred Tradition of the Apostles.
Nontrinitarianism is a tradition of men, and the Trinity is the Sacred Tradition of the Apostles . That’s a false dichotomy as no faithful witness in the Old Testament or New used that anachronistic post biblical prerequisite as a reference as it wasn’t invented till later . Old Testament Hebrews 3:1-6, 11:4 , Revelation 1:1,5,6.
Jesus Christ is my foundation as a faithful witness as other faithful witnesses are of the OT and NT .
“For we are God’s coworkers. You are God’s field, God’s building. According to God’s grace that was given to me, I have laid a foundation as a skilled master builder, and another builds on it. But each one is to be careful how he builds on it. For no one can lay any foundation other than what has been laid down. That foundation is Jesus Christ.
and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God.”
1 Corinthians 3:9-11, 23 CSB
https://www.bible.com/bible/1713/1co.3.9-11,23.csb
“Considerable in every way. First, they were entrusted with the very words of God. What then? If some were unfaithful, will their unfaithfulness nullify God’s faithfulness? Absolutely not! Let God be true, even though everyone is a liar, as it is written: That you may be justified in your words and triumph when you judge.
For we conclude that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. Do we then nullify the law through faith? Absolutely not! On the contrary, we uphold the law.”
Romans 3:2-4, 28-31 CSB
https://www.bible.com/bible/1713/rom.3.2-4,28-31.csb
“For we are God’s coworkers. You are God’s field, God’s building. According to God’s grace that was given to me, I have laid a foundation as a skilled master builder, and another builds on it. But each one is to be careful how he builds on it. For no one can lay any foundation other than what has been laid down. That foundation is Jesus Christ.
and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God.”
1 Corinthians 3:9-11, 23 CSB
https://www.bible.com/bible/1713/1co.3.9-11,23.csb
“Considerable in every way. First, they were entrusted with the very words of God. What then? If some were unfaithful, will their unfaithfulness nullify God’s faithfulness? Absolutely not! Let God be true, even though everyone is a liar, as it is written: That you may be justified in your words and triumph when you judge.
For we conclude that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. Do we then nullify the law through faith? Absolutely not! On the contrary, we uphold the law.”
Romans 3:2-4, 28-31 CSB
https://www.bible.com/bible/1713/rom.3.2-4,28-31.csb
Regarding your unambiguous evidence under the light of Jesus Christ words .
““Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
“Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock. “But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall.” And so it was, when Jesus had ended these sayings, that the people were astonished at His teaching, for He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.”
Matthew 7:13-14, 24-29 NKJV
https://www.bible.com/bible/114/mat.7.13-14,24-29.nkjv
OZOS
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You've never actually read the Bible, have you?
You do know Jesus Christ never used the NT ?
Ugh . . .
Did you not bother to read? I get the feeling you could if you wanted to but I feel like you have a lot of hate toward me right now.
If you read the thread from the beginning, you would see that many people had problems understanding what f.y.i. said. I'm assuming f.y.i. is either very young or has limited communication abilities. So, out of friendliness to a new member, I tried my best to summarize his position and give some advice.
OZOS
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You do know that Jesus Christ is mentioned in the NT?