the beasts of Daniel

chrysostom

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the beasts of Daniel


we need to use the Jewish temple to tie the four together
or
in other words

don't mess with the temple

The first two temples were destroyed by the Babylonian and Roman empires
so
they have to be our first two candidates
now
what is preventing the third temple?

the Dome of the Rock
so
Islam is our third candidate
and
different from all the rest

we are really looking for the second beast
since
Babylonian would be the first
Roman would be the third
Islam the fourth
so
that leaves us with the Median, Persian, and Greek kingdoms
and
all you have to do is ask which one messed with the temple
and
as it turns out Antiochus IV Epiphanes in 167 BC took over the second temple an installed the Greek god for them to worship
so
the Babylonian, Greek, and Roman empires
and
Islam are the four beasts of Daniel

I will also show how the last two beasts of Daniel are the two beasts of Revelation

back to the apocalypse
 
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jerzy

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the beasts of Daniel

I have revised my views on the beasts of Daniel
and
here is my last thread on the subject

The Four Beasts of Daniel

I now think we need to use the Jewish temple to tie the four together
or
in other words

don't mess with the temple

The first two temples were destroyed by the Babylonian and Roman empires
so
they have to be our first two candidates
now
what is preventing the third temple?

the Dome of the Rock
so
Islam is our third candidate
and
different from all the rest

we are really looking for the second beast
since
Babylonian would be the first
Roman would be the third
Islam the fourth
so
that leaves us with the Median, Persian, and Greek kingdoms
and
all you have to do is ask which one messed with the temple
and
as it turns out Antiochus IV Epiphanes in 167 BC took over the second temple an installed the Greek god for them to worship
so
the Babylonian, Greek, and Roman empires
and
Islam are the four beasts of Daniel

I will also show how the last two beasts of Daniel are the two beasts of Revelation

You better don't

It is enough, as it is, of your silly attempt to divert attention away from your horrible sect.
 

Nick M

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I will gladly participate in the thread when he formats correctly.
 

Selaphiel

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Why engage in unfounded futurism when the imagery makes sense within the historical context of the book? Put aside your irrational hatred of Islam for just one second and do not read your own prejudice into texts that were written 800-900 years before Islam was even founded.

The four beasts in Daniel 7 are: Babylonians, Persians, Medes and the Greek empire of Alexander the great.
The ten horns are the ten kings of the Seleucid empire that preceeded Antiochus IV Epiphanes who is referred to in Daniel 7:25 for persecuting Jews and attempting to destroy Judaism so they would adapt Greek customs.
It also matches the entire theme of the Book of Daniel which is to preserve Judaism when faced with other cultures and traditions.
 

chrysostom

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Why engage in unfounded futurism when the imagery makes sense within the historical context of the book? Put aside your irrational hatred of Islam for just one second and do not read your own prejudice into texts that were written 800-900 years before Islam was even founded.

The four beasts in Daniel 7 are: Babylonians, Persians, Medes and the Greek empire of Alexander the great.
The ten horns are the ten kings of the Seleucid empire that preceeded Antiochus IV Epiphanes who is referred to in Daniel 7:25 for persecuting Jews and attempting to destroy Judaism so they would adapt Greek customs.
It also matches the entire theme of the Book of Daniel which is to preserve Judaism when faced with other cultures and traditions.

how is the Greek empire different from all the others?
 

Selaphiel

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how is the Greek empire different from all the others?

How about you finish the verse? They are different in that the author thinks they will conquer the entire earth, which probably was not too crazy of an idea to have about the Greek empire of Alexander the great in that time.
The king (Antiochus IV Epiphanes) is different in that he attempts to suppress Judaism in a very militant fashion.

Your reading is simply another example of reading present hatred into ancient texts in an attempt to justify it. It has been done so many times throughout the history of scriptural interpretation, just as wrong every SINGLE time. You can read whatever you want into texts like that if you want it bad enough, which is an excellent reason for understanding the text in its historical context.
 

Selaphiel

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what the author thinks?

isn't this just more than the opinion of Daniel?

what verse?

It is a prophecy about the era of the author. As is typical of most Old Testament prophecy, they are about current situations.

The verse is the same you alluded to with your question, Daniel 7:23:

"Thus he said: 'The fourth beast will be a fourth kingdom on the earth, which will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth and tread it down and crush it."
 

chrysostom

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It is a prophecy about the era of the author. As is typical of most Old Testament prophecy, they are about current situations.

The verse is the same you alluded to with your question, Daniel 7:23:

"Thus he said: 'The fourth beast will be a fourth kingdom on the earth, which will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth and tread it down and crush it."

prophecy about current situations?

that does not make sense

who currently has the best chance at conquering the world?
 

Selaphiel

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prophecy about current situations?

that does not make sense

who currently has the best chance at conquering the world?

That is because you bring certain popular connotations with you when define prophecy. Read the Old Testament prophets, there are plenty of prophecies about immediate situations (The Syro-Ephraimite war in Isaiah is one example of this), it is the norm rather than the exception.

You can keep your wild conspiracy theories about Islam to yourself. They are not attempting to conquer the world anymore than anyone else. As for potential to conquer the world: The west and China are far more powerful empires. Of course, the book of Daniel is not about those either anymore than it was about the nazis during WW2 or the Soviets during the cold war.
 

OMEGA

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Daniel 7:25 refers to the last 3 1/2 years before Armageddon.

Da 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
 

OMEGA

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The end time "beast" or political structure from the Book of Revelation
says that the PRIMARY characteristic is that of a "leopard."

Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard , and
his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:
and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority .

What does this Leopard Represent? Turn to the Book of Daniel for the
answer. Here we find Daniel's vision describing the successive "World"
empires.

THE FIRST KINGDOM WAS BABYLON
Daniel 7:4 The first was like a lion , and had eagle's wings: I beheld
till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth,
and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it .
THE SECOND KINGDOM WAS MEDIO-PERSIA
Daniel 7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it
raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it
between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much
flesh.
THE THIRD KINGDOM IS THAT OF ALEXANDER THE GREAT (GRECIAN)
Daniel 7:6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which
had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four
heads; and dominion was given to it .
This " leopard " was divided into 4 "heads." The kingdom of Alexander the
Great was divided into Thrace, Macedonia, Syria, and Egypt . The final
kingdom of Revelation 13:2 has the body of a " leopard ". Therefore, the
primary attribute of the final kingdom is that of Alexander the Great's.
See Assyria for more information . This is not the EU (European Union).
THE FINAL KINGDOM FOR THE ENDTIME
Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth
beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great
iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with
the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before
it; and it had ten horns .

Notice that a " little horn " arises " before whom THREE of the FIRST
HORNS are PLUCKED UP BY THE ROOTS ."

Daniel 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them
another little horn , before whom there were three of the first horns
plucked up by the roots : and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the
eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things .

Continuing with Daniel's endtime beast, we see that " another...shall
SUBDUE THREE KINGS ."

Daniel 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that
shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse
from the first, and he shall subdue three kings .

We have already shown that the body of this beast is a " leopard ". What
territory predominates from Alexander the Great's (leopard) kingdom? -
Answer: Assyria.

Where was this kingdom of Assyria? Follow these links to read about the
Modern territories of Jordan , Syria , Iraq , and Iran (all 4 part of
ancient Assyria). Three of these are on the "Axis of Evil" list (Syria,
Iraq, Iran).. Other potential possibilities for the "three horns" are
Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt. [ When this was originally written, it was
BEFORE the Iraq war. Now that Iraq has been invaded, this takes Iraq off
the candidates list. ] However, see 04-13-2002 and 11-16-2003 below.

Now, where is this leading us?

Therefore, if the "leopard" body (Assyria) is the primary part of the
kingdom, would not many of its "horns" be found there too, including the
"other...diverse from the first"? The "other" is the antichrist. These
"three kings" he will "subdue."


Alexander's empire stretched over Europe, Africa (Egypt) and parts of Asia
More on Asia Minor where a great deal of Alexander's conquests show on the map.
Asia Minor, extreme W Asia, generally coterminous with Asian Turkey, also called
Anatolia, is bordered by the Black Sea in the north, the Mediterranean Sea in
the south, and the Aegean Sea in the west. The Black and Aegean seas are linked
by the Sea of Marmara and the two straits of the Bosporus and the Dardanelles.
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genuineoriginal

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the beasts of Daniel

I now think we need to use the Jewish temple to tie the four together
The four beasts of Daniel 7 are the four empires that control the land of Israel from the time of the destruction of the Temple by the Chaldeans to the destruction of the Temple by the Romans.

The four beasts are the Chaldean empire, the Media-Persian empire, the Seleucid empire, and the Roman empire.
 

chrysostom

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The four beasts of Daniel 7 are the four empires that control the land of Israel from the time of the destruction of the Temple by the Chaldeans to the destruction of the Temple by the Romans.

The four beasts are the Chaldean empire, the Media-Persian empire, the Seleucid empire, and the Roman empire.

how is the Roman empire different from all the others?
 
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